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Hi BD:
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Quote So is the psalmist right are there “gods” and does God judge among the “gods” and once again it says “YE are gods” ALL of you are children of the Most High”
So ALL the men were/are SONS of GOD and ALL the woman were/are DAUGHTERS of GOD if you go by the psalmist. Is the scripture correct?
Jesus said “and the scripture cannot be broken”
So is it true? Are ye gods?
The Psalmist is speaking to those who were under the law of Moses. These are they to whom the Word of God had come. They were children of God under the law of Moses, but the children of God are no longer under the law, but under grace. The New Covenant that God stated that he would make with the house of Israel, Jeremiah 31:31-34.
Quote 31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Quote 17For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Quote 26And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
No man can be reconciled to God except through the provision God has made in giving His Son to humanity to be the propitiation for their sins.
And so, no not everyone is a child of God. Except a man is born of water and of the spirit he can not enter into the kingdom of God.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Ed J @ April 29 2010,06:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,04:19) Quote (TimothyVI @ April 28 2010,22:33) Quote (karmarie @ April 28 2010,22:29) Bod , Why do you quote an entire conversation just to say a few things? (wouldnt it be better just to quote the last thing said?) Seriously.
BOD and ED both do that.
It makes it impossible to follow the logic in their posts.Tim
That makes no sense as logic is based upon sequence. Many times when someone makes some statement and leave out the relevent line of the sequence you have to go back and find the complete posting sequence. So sometimes me and ED may do it, but we certainly do not do it all the time as sometimes there is no reason to.
Hi BD,Good point my friend!
TimothyIV is forgetting Marty(942767) does it too.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The truth is the truth and we take great care to post what we post so I don't think it's reasonable to assume we are being careless or thoughtless of others or this site.Quote (karmarie @ April 29 2010,09:15) Wouldnt quoting so much slow down the website or something? (im not technical so I dont know?) Your replying to what the person has just said yet quote what they also said before that and before that and before that…is it to impress people who you think may come along and read the entire conversation without having to go back? Bod you did start it I noticed and then started up a bad habit in Ed, He doesnt usually do that?
The funny thing is you made your criticism in a post where you did the same exact thing at least Timothy edited the sequence out.Yes, I am trying to impress people aren't you? I want people to read my posts and other posts so that they may understand the great interest there is regarding the knowledge of God, I want to get them talking it's the first step to them drawing near to God. How else can they hear if no one impresses it upon them.
Why do you say it is a bad habit and why do you judge it as going from me to ED, if I start using color did I get it from ED or exercise an option that is available to all?
Now if I am posting back and forth with you and you prefer to not use Quotes I imagine I can accomodate you but why engage in judging how I communicate with ED or others?
Let not your heart be troubled: Love God!
Hi Bod, I also quoted the whole thing to let you see how silly it is! I had a good laugh thanks…
If you do it to impress people then it wouldnt work because it takes too long to scroll down and most would give up reading.
So changing subject, have you still not seen the truth? I thought you may have by now?
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,10:16) Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2010,06:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,04:19) Quote (TimothyVI @ April 28 2010,22:33) Quote (karmarie @ April 28 2010,22:29) Bod , Why do you quote an entire conversation just to say a few things? (wouldnt it be better just to quote the last thing said?) Seriously.
BOD and ED both do that.
It makes it impossible to follow the logic in their posts.Tim
That makes no sense as logic is based upon sequence. Many times when someone makes some statement and leave out the relevent line of the sequence you have to go back and find the complete posting sequence. So sometimes me and ED may do it, but we certainly do not do it all the time as sometimes there is no reason to.
Hi BD,Good point my friend!
TimothyIV is forgetting Marty(942767) does it too.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The truth is the truth and we take great care to post what we post so I don't think it's reasonable to assume we are being careless or thoughtless of others or this site.
Hi BD,I “fully” support your right to say whatever you want,
even though the majority of time I disagree!Your friend!
Ed JQuote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,10:23) Yes, I am trying to impress people aren't you? I want people to read my posts and other posts so that they may understand the great interest there is regarding the knowledge of God, I want to get them talking it's the first step to them drawing near to God. How else can they hear if no one impresses it upon them. Why do you say it is a bad habit and why do you judge it as going from me to ED, if I start using color did I get it from ED or exercise an option that is available to all?
Now if I am posting back and forth with you and you prefer to not use Quotes I imagine I can accomodate you but why engage in judging how I communicate with ED or others?
Let not your heart be troubled: Love God!
Is the purpose to impress people to try and convert them to Islam and away from Christianity?bod,
You say to people here that Islam and Christianity can exist happily together, that Islam is the true religeon of God, that praying 5 times a day by clockwork, pushing Jesus the only Son of God who died for the worlds sins- is a good thing to do, that God will somehow be pleased with that …because the Words spoken by Jesus were lies…
You say that God is on your side, despite it being the last days the judgment of the world has come upon us, and worse is to come,,you should cheak that you really have got it right because we only have now, we may only have tomorrow. We never know when our time is up..
How can God leave us His Word in the scriptures and expect us to believe it, when you and others say NO WAY thats all b.s, the Quran says something different, it says all that was lies…
If anyone can read the Bible, Matthew Mark Luke John , the books of Paul, Hebrews, Timothy, Peter, Revelations, and NOT see that Jesus came and everything happened just as it says, even a child can see that, God has A Son, and all who knowingly deny or reject that will be cast out, and you know what the Bible says because you studied it first, yet you accept statements like what follows which are in the Quran…
You would rather believe and teach the opposite, that what ONE MAN says years later was the truth, one who never knew him, what is so appealing about this one man which seems to be more appealing than the Son of God and all the Saints?
Quran 4:171: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth.
Quran 5:17-18: “In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.”
Quran 5 :78 “Christ, the Son of Mary, was no more than an apostle.”
Quran 6:102 “The originator of heavens and earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things.
The Jews say Ezra is the son of God, while the Christians say the Messiah is the son of God. Such are their assertions, by which they imitate the infidels of old. God confound them! How perverse they are! —Qur’an 9:30
Quran 10:68-70 They say: “God hath begotten a son!” – Glory be to Him! He is self- sufficient! His are all things in the heavens and on earth! No warrant have ye for this! say ye about God what ye know not? Say: “Those who invent a lie against God will never prosper.” A little enjoyment in this world!- and then, to Us will be their return, then shall We make them taste the severest penalty for their blasphemies.”
Quran 18:4-5 “Further, that He may warn those (also) who say, “God hath begotten a son”: No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouths as a saying what they say is nothing but falsehood!”
Quran 19:20-35, Jesus praised his birth and then said, “I am the servant of Allah.” And Allah teaches, “It is not for God to take a son unto Him.” Such was Jesus, the son of Mary. That is the whole truth, which they still doubt. God forbid that He Himself should beget a son! When He decrees a thing He need only say: ‘Be,’ and it is.
Quran 19:88-92 They say: “(God) Most Gracious has begotten a son!” Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin, That they should invoke a son for (God) Most Gracious. For it is not consonant with the majesty of (God) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.”
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’ We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all. Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!
—Qur’an 23:91Quran 25:2-3 “He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: no son has He begotten, nor has He a partner in His dominion: it is He who created all things, and ordered them in due proportions. Yet have they taken, besides him, gods that can create nothing but are themselves created; that have no control of hurt or good to themselves; nor can they control death nor life nor resurrection.”
Surely they lie when they declare: “Allah has begotten children”.
—Qur'an 37:151Had it been His will to adopt a son, He would have chosen whom He pleased out of His own Creation.
—Qur'an 39:4Say: “If the Lord of Mercy had a son, I would be the first to worship him”.
—Qur'an 43:82Quran 72:3- He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.
Quran 112:1-4 “Proclaim, 'He is the One and only GOD. The Absolute GOD. Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. None equals Him.”
Is Allah of the Quran the same God?
Quote (karmarie @ April 29 2010,10:32) Hi Bod, I also quoted the whole thing to let you see how silly it is! I had a good laugh thanks… If you do it to impress people then it wouldnt work because it takes too long to scroll down and most would give up reading.
So changing subject, have you still not seen the truth? I thought you may have by now?
Yes, I have seen the truth and yet you still disagree with what that is.It's really strange you place Jesus above God and ED puts Satan above God, why is it difficult for either of you to submit to God Almighty?
Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2010,11:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,10:16) Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2010,06:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,04:19) Quote (TimothyVI @ April 28 2010,22:33) Quote (karmarie @ April 28 2010,22:29) Bod , Why do you quote an entire conversation just to say a few things? (wouldnt it be better just to quote the last thing said?) Seriously.
BOD and ED both do that.
It makes it impossible to follow the logic in their posts.Tim
That makes no sense as logic is based upon sequence. Many times when someone makes some statement and leave out the relevent line of the sequence you have to go back and find the complete posting sequence. So sometimes me and ED may do it, but we certainly do not do it all the time as sometimes there is no reason to.
Hi BD,Good point my friend!
TimothyIV is forgetting Marty(942767) does it too.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The truth is the truth and we take great care to post what we post so I don't think it's reasonable to assume we are being careless or thoughtless of others or this site.
Hi BD,I “fully” support your right to say whatever you want,
even though the majority of time I disagree!Your friend!
Ed J
Agreed!Quote (karmarie @ April 29 2010,11:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,10:23) Yes, I am trying to impress people aren't you? I want people to read my posts and other posts so that they may understand the great interest there is regarding the knowledge of God, I want to get them talking it's the first step to them drawing near to God. How else can they hear if no one impresses it upon them. Why do you say it is a bad habit and why do you judge it as going from me to ED, if I start using color did I get it from ED or exercise an option that is available to all?
Now if I am posting back and forth with you and you prefer to not use Quotes I imagine I can accomodate you but why engage in judging how I communicate with ED or others?
Let not your heart be troubled: Love God!
Is the purpose to impress people to try and convert them to Islam and away from Christianity?
No, the fact is most Christians do not follow Jesus into total submission to God. In-fact people liek you prefer to worship Jesus over the True God.If someone does convert to Islam at least they will worship The TRue God as ONE and not equal with His creation or they will not believe that Satan owns the world.
Quote (karmarie @ April 29 2010,13:41) bod, You say to people here that Islam and Christianity can exist happily together, that Islam is the true religeon of God, that praying 5 times a day by clockwork, pushing Jesus the only Son of God who died for the worlds sins- is a good thing to do, that God will somehow be pleased with that …because the Words spoken by Jesus were lies…
You say that God is on your side, despite it being the last days the judgment of the world has come upon us, and worse is to come,,you should cheak that you really have got it right because we only have now, we may only have tomorrow. We never know when our time is up..
How can God leave us His Word in the scriptures and expect us to believe it, when you and others say NO WAY thats all b.s, the Quran says something different, it says all that was lies…
If anyone can read the Bible, Matthew Mark Luke John , the books of Paul, Hebrews, Timothy, Peter, Revelations, and NOT see that Jesus came and everything happened just as it says, even a child can see that, God has A Son, and all who knowingly deny or reject that will be cast out, and you know what the Bible says because you studied it first, yet you accept statements like what follows which are in the Quran…
You would rather believe and teach the opposite, that what ONE MAN says years later was the truth, one who never knew him, what is so appealing about this one man which seems to be more appealing than the Son of God and all the Saints?
Quran 4:171: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth.
Quran 5:17-18: “In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.”
Quran 5 :78 “Christ, the Son of Mary, was no more than an apostle.”
Quran 6:102 “The originator of heavens and earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things.
The Jews say Ezra is the son of God, while the Christians say the Messiah is the son of God. Such are their assertions, by which they imitate the infidels of old. God confound them! How perverse they are! —Qur’an 9:30
Quran 10:68-70 They say: “God hath begotten a son!” – Glory be to Him! He is self- sufficient! His are all things in the heavens and on earth! No warrant have ye for this! say ye about God what ye know not? Say: “Those who invent a lie against God will never prosper.” A little enjoyment in this world!- and then, to Us will be their return, then shall We make them taste the severest penalty for their blasphemies.”
Quran 18:4-5 “Further, that He may warn those (also) who say, “God hath begotten a son”: No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouths as a saying what they say is nothing but falsehood!”
Quran 19:20-35, Jesus praised his birth and then said, “I am the servant of Allah.” And Allah teaches, “It is not for God to take a son unto Him.” Such was Jesus, the son of Mary. That is the whole truth, which they still doubt. God forbid that He Himself should beget a son! When He decrees a thing He need only say: ‘Be,’ and it is.
Quran 19:88-92 They say: “(God) Most Gracious has begotten a son!” Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin, That they should invoke a son for (God) Most Gracious. For it is not consonant with the majesty of (God) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.”
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’ We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all. Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!
—Qur’an 23:91Quran 25:2-3 “He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: no son has He begotten, nor has He a partner in His dominion: it is He who created all things, and ordered them in due proportions. Yet have they taken, besides him, gods that can create nothing but are themselves created; that have no control of hurt or good to themselves; nor can they control death nor life nor resurrection.”
Surely they lie when they declare: “Allah has begotten children”.
—Qur'an 37:151Had it been His will to adopt a son, He would have chosen whom He pleased out of His own Creation.
—Qur'an 39:4Say: “If the Lord of Mercy had a son, I would be the first to worship him”.
—Qur'an 43:82Quran 72:3- He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.
Quran 112:1-4 “Proclaim, 'He is the One and only GOD. The Absolute GOD. Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. None equals Him.”
Is Allah of the Quran the same God?
Did God create Adam and Eve and say “You two are my children?”Why isn't that mentioned in Genesis?
Why isn't Jesus mentioned in the OT at all by name?
No doubt he is the Christ but do you see what I am saying here?
Hi BD,
Just because the bad trinity crop is being pulled out is no reason to accept more bad islamic seed.Quote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,15:54) Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2010,11:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,10:16) Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2010,06:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,04:19) Quote (TimothyVI @ April 28 2010,22:33) Quote (karmarie @ April 28 2010,22:29) Bod , Why do you quote an entire conversation just to say a few things? (wouldnt it be better just to quote the last thing said?) Seriously.
BOD and ED both do that.
It makes it impossible to follow the logic in their posts.Tim
That makes no sense as logic is based upon sequence. Many times when someone makes some statement and leave out the relevent line of the sequence you have to go back and find the complete posting sequence. So sometimes me and ED may do it, but we certainly do not do it all the time as sometimes there is no reason to.
Hi BD,Good point my friend!
TimothyIV is forgetting Marty(942767) does it too.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The truth is the truth and we take great care to post what we post so I don't think it's reasonable to assume we are being careless or thoughtless of others or this site.
Hi BD,I “fully” support your right to say whatever you want,
even though the majority of time I disagree!Your friend!
Ed J
Agreed!
Hi BD,When are you going to come back to the Living God my wayward brother?
Jer.10:10-11 But [YHVH] is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath
the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. Thus shall ye say unto them,
The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.2Cor.6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God;
as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I(YHVH=63) “will be”=63 their God, and they shall be my people.Quote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,15:53) Yes, I have seen the truth and yet you still disagree with what that is. It's really strange you place Jesus above God and ED puts Satan above God, why is it difficult for either of you to submit to God Almighty?
Trying to guess what someone believes…none of its true.Quote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,15:57) No, the fact is most Christians do not follow Jesus into total submission to God. In-fact people liek you prefer to worship Jesus over the True God. If someone does convert to Islam at least they will worship The TRue God as ONE and not equal with His creation or they will not believe that Satan owns the world.
Is Allah of Islam the same God as Christianity? because I see alot of things which are really differentQuote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,16:01) Why isn't Jesus mentioned in the OT at all by name?
Because he is mentioned in the NT (by name), and he is also mentioned in the Quran (but its a different Jesus).Hi Bod,
God and Allah (God) are titles.
YHVH or YHWH or Jehovah is a name.
God also said to Moses, ‘Say this to the people of Israel,
“Yahweh [YHWH], the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.”
This is my name FOREVER, and thus I am to be remembered throughout ALL GENERATIONS.’” Exodus 3:15Jeremiah 23:26-27— 26 How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies?
Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds;
27 Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor,
just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal; Lord.Ba'al— (also spelled Baal in English) is a title and honorific meaning “master” or “lord” “Ba'al” can refer to any god….(Wikipedia)
Exodus 20:2 Jerusalem Bible—The first commandment
I am Yahweh your Heavenly Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.Exodus 20:3;— You shall have no gods before me.
Allah is a title it is not a name.
Quote (karmarie @ April 29 2010,19:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,15:57) No, the fact is most Christians do not follow Jesus into total submission to God. In-fact people liek you prefer to worship Jesus over the True God. If someone does convert to Islam at least they will worship The TRue God as ONE and not equal with His creation or they will not believe that Satan owns the world.
Is Allah of Islam the same God as Christianity? because I see alot of things which are really different
There is no other God, so until you can repeat that you will remain in utter ignorance. I truly hope that is not your choice.Love and Peace
Quote (karmarie @ April 29 2010,20:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,16:01) Why isn't Jesus mentioned in the OT at all by name?
Because he is mentioned in the NT (by name), and he is also mentioned in the Quran (but its a different Jesus).
What, different Jesus? Have you ever met the original Jesus?Quote (karmarie @ April 30 2010,00:27) Hi Bod, God and Allah (God) are titles.
YHVH or YHWH or Jehovah is a name.
God also said to Moses, ‘Say this to the people of Israel,
“Yahweh [YHWH], the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.”
This is my name FOREVER, and thus I am to be remembered throughout ALL GENERATIONS.’” Exodus 3:15Jeremiah 23:26-27— 26 How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies?
Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds;
27 Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor,
just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal; Lord.Ba'al— (also spelled Baal in English) is a title and honorific meaning “master” or “lord” “Ba'al” can refer to any god….(Wikipedia)
Exodus 20:2 Jerusalem Bible—The first commandment
I am Yahweh your Heavenly Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.Exodus 20:3;— You shall have no gods before me.
Allah is a title it is not a name.
YHVH is not a name it is His nature because that's what name in hebrew refers to, a quality or nature:For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
Exodus 34:13-15So you must now agree that the name of God is Jealous, it is in the scripture that you say cannot be wrong.
His name is JEALOUS, Does YHVH mean JEALOUS?
Thus saith the LORD of hosts; I was jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I was jealous for her with great fury.
Zechariah 8:1-3I keep telling you to learn but you keep insisting you know and yet you will not call God His name “Jealous” why?
Also look closely
Exodus 3:15-16 (King James Version)
15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
16Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:
so who is ALLAH?
We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: “I believe that there is no God except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam).”
( سورة يونس , Yunus, Chapter #10, Verse #90)So We have taught thee the inspired (Message), “Follow the ways of Abraham the True in Faith, and he joined not Gods with Allah.”
( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #123)So there you have it ALLAH is The God of Israel and you should follow the ways of Abraham the True in Faith.
God bless you!
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