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[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ April 26 2010,18:05)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 26 2010,08:48) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,16:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:35) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,12:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:25) Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2010,12:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 24 2010,10:21) Quote (karmarie @ April 23 2010,21:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2010,18:32) If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah The comforter to come was the Holy Spirit but in your beliefs that wasnt the Holy Spirit, it was Mohammad. http://www.mostmerciful.com/prophecy.htm Once again if you read the Quran you could say “This is your belief” Hi BD, “The Bible”=63, the word of “YHVH”=63 says the last prophet was “John”! Luke 16:16: The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.                   Beware of false prophets… 1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Matt.7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. . You simply don't understand the words you read do you? And no wonder they are not always written clearly but to say that: “The law and the prophets were until John” Does not mean that Jesus and other prophets and Laws will not come the word simply means “up until now” as in “so far” And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. Matthew 13:56-58 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee. Matthew 21:10-12 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: Luke 24:18-20 There you have it Jesus was a Prophet and therefore John was not the last prophet. Hi BD, 1John 5:9 If we (like BD) receive the witness of men, the witness of [YHVH] is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God(יהוה) gave of his Son. . I know you simply have no way of understanding but the Question is not of God's testimony of Jesus Christ, Jesus is The Christ. I told you if you need to say “Son” go ahead it won't add or diminish anything from God or His Christ. Then again I know you are very intelligent and most likely do understand what I am saying but perhaps you are playing the devils advocate so as to where I can more thoroughly explain. So, let me ask you, when you say that Jesus is the son of God, you do agree with me that God did not impregnate Mary with Sperm, did not Marry Mary, Did not do any act that a human would do to a human, right? Hi BD, Does this mean you now agree the inscription on 'the dome of the rock' is in error? Ed J No there is no error because God does not beget children. He CREATED JESUS and JESUS is HIS SERVANT. Hi BD, Rom:8:29: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (Rom.8:16) You prove over and over that you don't believe “The Bible, that's why you (BD) were put out of the Believers section. Matt.18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the HolySpirit(God). Matt.1:20: But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit(God). Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit(God) shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. .

You keep seeming to thing that CREATION is the same as PROCREATING.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,05:13)

Quote (Ed J @ April 26 2010,18:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 26 2010,08:48) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,16:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:35) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,12:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:25) Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2010,12:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 24 2010,10:21) Quote (karmarie @ April 23 2010,21:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2010,18:32) If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah The comforter to come was the Holy Spirit but in your beliefs that wasnt the Holy Spirit, it was Mohammad. http://www.mostmerciful.com/prophecy.htm Once again if you read the Quran you could say “This is your belief” Hi BD, “The Bible”=63, the word of “YHVH”=63 says the last prophet was “John”! Luke 16:16: The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.                   Beware of false prophets… 1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Matt.7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. . You simply don't understand the words you read do you? And no wonder they are not always written clearly but to say that: “The law and the prophets were until John” Does not mean that Jesus and other prophets and Laws will not come the word simply means “up until now” as in “so far” And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. Matthew 13:56-58 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee. Matthew 21:10-12 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: Luke 24:18-20 There you have it Jesus was a Prophet and therefore John was not the last prophet. Hi BD, 1John 5:9 If we (like BD) receive the witness of men, the witness of [YHVH] is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God(יהוה) gave of his Son. . I know you simply have no way of understanding but the Question is not of God's testimony of Jesus Christ, Jesus is The Christ. I told you if you need to say “Son” go ahead it won't add or diminish anything from God or His Christ. Then again I know you are very intelligent and most likely do understand what I am saying but perhaps you are playing the devils advocate so as to where I can more thoroughly explain. So, let me ask you, when you say that Jesus is the son of God, you do agree with me that God did not impregnate Mary with Sperm, did not Marry Mary, Did not do any act that a human would do to a human, right? Hi BD, Does this mean you now agree the inscription on 'the dome of the rock' is in error? Ed J No there is no error because God does not beget children. He CREATED JESUS and JESUS is HIS SERVANT. Hi BD, Rom:8:29: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (Rom.8:16) You prove over and over that you don't believe “The Bible, that's why you (BD) were put out of the Believers section. Matt.18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the HolySpirit(God). Matt.1:20: But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit(God). Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit(God) shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. . You keep seeming to thing that CREATION is the same as PROCREATING.

You keep seeming to think that satan's doctrines (falsely) came from God? (2Cor.11:4 / Eph.4:14)
.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ April 27 2010,06:58)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,05:13) Quote (Ed J @ April 26 2010,18:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 26 2010,08:48) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,16:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:35) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,12:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:25) Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2010,12:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 24 2010,10:21) Quote (karmarie @ April 23 2010,21:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2010,18:32) If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah The comforter to come was the Holy Spirit but in your beliefs that wasnt the Holy Spirit, it was Mohammad. http://www.mostmerciful.com/prophecy.htm Once again if you read the Quran you could say “This is your belief” Hi BD, “The Bible”=63, the word of “YHVH”=63 says the last prophet was “John”! Luke 16:16: The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.                   Beware of false prophets… 1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Matt.7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. . You simply don't understand the words you read do you? And no wonder they are not always written clearly but to say that: “The law and the prophets were until John” Does not mean that Jesus and other prophets and Laws will not come the word simply means “up until now” as in “so far” And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. Matthew 13:56-58 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee. Matthew 21:10-12 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: Luke 24:18-20 There you have it Jesus was a Prophet and therefore John was not the last prophet. Hi BD, 1John 5:9 If we (like BD) receive the witness of men, the witness of [YHVH] is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God(יהוה) gave of his Son. . I know you simply have no way of understanding but the Question is not of God's testimony of Jesus Christ, Jesus is The Christ. I told you if you need to say “Son” go ahead it won't add or diminish anything from God or His Christ. Then again I know you are very intelligent and most likely do understand what I am saying but perhaps you are playing the devils advocate so as to where I can more thoroughly explain. So, let me ask you, when you say that Jesus is the son of God, you do agree with me that God did not impregnate Mary with Sperm, did not Marry Mary, Did not do any act that a human would do to a human, right? Hi BD, Does this mean you now agree the inscription on 'the dome of the rock' is in error? Ed J No there is no error because God does not beget children. He CREATED JESUS and JESUS is HIS SERVANT. Hi BD, Rom:8:29: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (Rom.8:16) You prove over and over that you don't believe “The Bible, that's why you (BD) were put out of the Believers section. Matt.18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the HolySpirit(God). Matt.1:20: But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit(God). Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit(God) shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. . You keep seeming to thing that CREATION is the same as PROCREATING. You keep seeming to think that satan's doctrines (falsely) came from God? (2Cor.11:4 / Eph.4:14) .

What do you mean?

Islam teaches Jesus is the Christ is that false?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,10:17)

Quote (Ed J @ April 27 2010,06:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,05:13) Quote (Ed J @ April 26 2010,18:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 26 2010,08:48) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,16:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:35) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,12:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:25) Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2010,12:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 24 2010,10:21) Quote (karmarie @ April 23 2010,21:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2010,18:32) If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah The comforter to come was the Holy Spirit but in your beliefs that wasnt the Holy Spirit, it was Mohammad. http://www.mostmerciful.com/prophecy.htm Once again if you read the Quran you could say “This is your belief” Hi BD, “The Bible”=63, the word of “YHVH”=63 says the last prophet was “John”! Luke 16:16: The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.                   Beware of false prophets… 1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Matt.7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. . You simply don't understand the words you read do you? And no wonder they are not always written clearly but to say that: “The law and the prophets were until John” Does not mean that Jesus and other prophets and Laws will not come the word simply means “up until now” as in “so far” And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. Matthew 13:56-58 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee. Matthew 21:10-12 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: Luke 24:18-20 There you have it Jesus was a Prophet and therefore John was not the last prophet. Hi BD, 1John 5:9 If we (like BD) receive the witness of men, the witness of [YHVH] is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God(יהוה) gave of his Son. . I know you simply have no way of understanding but the Question is not of God's testimony of Jesus Christ, Jesus is The Christ. I told you if you need to say “Son” go ahead it won't add or diminish anything from God or His Christ. Then again I know you are very intelligent and most likely do understand what I am saying but perhaps you are playing the devils advocate so as to where I can more thoroughly explain. So, let me ask you, when you say that Jesus is the son of God, you do agree with me that God did not impregnate Mary with Sperm, did not Marry Mary, Did not do any act that a human would do to a human, right? Hi BD, Does this mean you now agree the inscription on 'the dome of the rock' is in error? Ed J No there is no error because God does not beget children. He CREATED JESUS and JESUS is HIS SERVANT. Hi BD, Rom:8:29: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (Rom.8:16) You prove over and over that you don't believe “The Bible, that's why you (BD) were put out of the Believers section. Matt.18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the HolySpirit(God). Matt.1:20: But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit(God). Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit(God) shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. . You keep seeming to thing that CREATION is the same as PROCREATING. You keep seeming to think that satan's doctrines (falsely) came from God? (2Cor. 11:4 / Eph.4:14) . What do you mean? Islam teaches Jesus is the Christ is that false?

Devils believe God exists too, but how does that benefit them? (James 2:19)
.

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:28)

Quote (942767 @ April 25 2010,10:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:36) Quote (942767 @ April 24 2010,15:38) Hi BD: This is what the bible states: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also Well you have part of it right.  You don't deny that Jesus is the Christ, but you deny the Father and the Son. Also, the following verses of scripture: Quote 1 John  5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty You seem to misunderstand. I am not denying the “Father” and “SON” I am denying the term Father and son as being an accurate term in the trues sense. To call Jesus The Christ and God his Creator is by no means a rejection in any way. Hi BD: Denying that God is Jesus Father in what you say is the true sense is what the scripture calls Anti-Christ. The bible states that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary. Quote Matthew 1:20 (King James Version) 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Quote Luke 1:28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty What are you talking about? Calling Jesus The Christ cannot be anti-christ, does that make any sanse to you?

Hi BD:

Read the whole scripture:

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1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

You have the first part of the scripture right. Yes, he is the Christ, but God has also revealed to humanity that Jesus is the Son of the Living God, and so you deny the Father and the Son.

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Matthew 16:13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heave

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ April 27 2010,13:15)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:28) Quote (942767 @ April 25 2010,10:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:36) Quote (942767 @ April 24 2010,15:38) Hi BD: This is what the bible states: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also Well you have part of it right.  You don't deny that Jesus is the Christ, but you deny the Father and the Son. Also, the following verses of scripture: Quote 1 John  5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty You seem to misunderstand. I am not denying the “Father” and “SON” I am denying the term Father and son as being an accurate term in the trues sense. To call Jesus The Christ and God his Creator is by no means a rejection in any way. Hi BD: Denying that God is Jesus Father in what you say is the true sense is what the scripture calls Anti-Christ. The bible states that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary. Quote Matthew 1:20 (King James Version) 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Quote Luke 1:28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty What are you talking about? Calling Jesus The Christ cannot be anti-christ, does that make any sanse to you? Hi BD: Read the whole scripture: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. You have the first part of the scripture right.  Yes, he is the Christ, but God has also revealed to humanity that Jesus is the Son of the Living God, and so you deny the Father and the Son. Quote Matthew 16:13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heave Love in Christ, Marty

Then you are a god, because that is what the bible says:

Do you believe that?

Angels are also the sons of God and so is Solomon and so on.

Do you believe that?

The Quran clears up these misconceptions.

Are you a god? Yes or No?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ April 27 2010,11:47)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,10:17) Quote (Ed J @ April 27 2010,06:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,05:13) Quote (Ed J @ April 26 2010,18:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 26 2010,08:48) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,16:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:35) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,12:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:25) Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2010,12:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 24 2010,10:21) Quote (karmarie @ April 23 2010,21:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2010,18:32) If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah The comforter to come was the Holy Spirit but in your beliefs that wasnt the Holy Spirit, it was Mohammad. http://www.mostmerciful.com/prophecy.htm Once again if you read the Quran you could say “This is your belief” Hi BD, “The Bible”=63, the word of “YHVH”=63 says the last prophet was “John”! Luke 16:16: The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.                   Beware of false prophets… 1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Matt.7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. . You simply don't understand the words you read do you? And no wonder they are not always written clearly but to say that: “The law and the prophets were until John” Does not mean that Jesus and other prophets and Laws will not come the word simply means “up until now” as in “so far” And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. Matthew 13:56-58 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee. Matthew 21:10-12 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: Luke 24:18-20 There you have it Jesus was a Prophet and therefore John was not the last prophet. Hi BD, 1John 5:9 If we (like BD) receive the witness of men, the witness of [YHVH] is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God(יהוה) gave of his Son. . I know you simply have no way of understanding but the Question is not of God's testimony of Jesus Christ, Jesus is The Christ. I told you if you need to say “Son” go ahead it won't add or diminish anything from God or His Christ. Then again I know you are very intelligent and most likely do understand what I am saying but perhaps you are playing the devils advocate so as to where I can more thoroughly explain. So, let me ask you, when you say that Jesus is the son of God, you do agree with me that God did not impregnate Mary with Sperm, did not Marry Mary, Did not do any act that a human would do to a human, right? Hi BD, Does this mean you now agree the inscription on 'the dome of the rock' is in error? Ed J No there is no error because God does not beget children. He CREATED JESUS and JESUS is HIS SERVANT. Hi BD, Rom:8:29: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (Rom.8:16) You prove over and over that you don't believe “The Bible, that's why you (BD) were put out of the Believers section. Matt.18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the HolySpirit(God). Matt.1:20: But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit(God). Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit(God) shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. . You keep seeming to thing that CREATION is the same as PROCREATING. You keep seeming to think that satan's doctrines (falsely) came from God? (2Cor.11:4 / Eph.4:14) . What do you mean? Islam teaches Jesus is the Christ is that false? Devils believe God exists too, but how does that benefit them? (James 2:19) .

James 2:19 (King James Version)

19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Philippians 2:11-13

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,15:43)

Quote (942767 @ April 27 2010,13:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:28) Quote (942767 @ April 25 2010,10:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:36) Quote (942767 @ April 24 2010,15:38) Hi BD: This is what the bible states: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also Well you have part of it right.  You don't deny that Jesus is the Christ, but you deny the Father and the Son. Also, the following verses of scripture: Quote 1 John  5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty You seem to misunderstand. I am not denying the “Father” and “SON” I am denying the term Father and son as being an accurate term in the trues sense. To call Jesus The Christ and God his Creator is by no means a rejection in any way. Hi BD: Denying that God is Jesus Father in what you say is the true sense is what the scripture calls Anti-Christ. The bible states that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary. Quote Matthew 1:20 (King James Version) 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Quote Luke 1:28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty What are you talking about? Calling Jesus The Christ cannot be anti-christ, does that make any sanse to you? Hi BD: Read the whole scripture: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. You have the first part of the scripture right.  Yes, he is the Christ, but God has also revealed to humanity that Jesus is the Son of the Living God, and so you deny the Father and the Son. Quote Matthew 16:13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heave Love in Christ, Marty Then you are a god, because that is what the bible says: Do you believe that? Angels are also the sons of God and so is Solomon and so on. Do you believe that? The Quran clears up these misconceptions. Are you a god? Yes or No?

No BD:

The Quran does not clear up misconceptions, but distorts the truth and is going to cause many to miss out on God's plan for their salvation. Hopefully, God will open your eyes to the truth before it is too late.

No, I am not a god, but I am a son of God having been born again and God is the Father of my spirit.

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John 1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,15:46)

Quote (Ed J @ April 27 2010,11:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,10:17) Quote (Ed J @ April 27 2010,06:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,05:13) Quote (Ed J @ April 26 2010,18:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 26 2010,08:48) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,16:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:35) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,12:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:25) Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2010,12:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 24 2010,10:21) Quote (karmarie @ April 23 2010,21:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2010,18:32) If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah The comforter to come was the Holy Spirit but in your beliefs that wasnt the Holy Spirit, it was Mohammad. http://www.mostmerciful.com/prophecy.htm Once again if you read the Quran you could say “This is your belief” Hi BD, “The Bible”=63, the word of “YHVH”=63 says the last prophet was “John”! Luke 16:16: The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.                   Beware of false prophets… 1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Matt.7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. . You simply don't understand the words you read do you? And no wonder they are not always written clearly but to say that: “The law and the prophets were until John” Does not mean that Jesus and other prophets and Laws will not come the word simply means “up until now” as in “so far” And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. Matthew 13:56-58 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee. Matthew 21:10-12 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: Luke 24:18-20 There you have it Jesus was a Prophet and therefore John was not the last prophet. Hi BD, 1John 5:9 If we (like BD) receive the witness of men, the witness of [YHVH] is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God(יהוה) gave of his Son. . I know you simply have no way of understanding but the Question is not of God's testimony of Jesus Christ, Jesus is The Christ. I told you if you need to say “Son” go ahead it won't add or diminish anything from God or His Christ. Then again I know you are very intelligent and most likely do understand what I am saying but perhaps you are playing the devils advocate so as to where I can more thoroughly explain. So, let me ask you, when you say that Jesus is the son of God, you do agree with me that God did not impregnate Mary with Sperm, did not Marry Mary, Did not do any act that a human would do to a human, right? Hi BD, Does this mean you now agree the inscription on 'the dome of the rock' is in error? Ed J No there is no error because God does not beget children. He CREATED JESUS and JESUS is HIS SERVANT. Hi BD, Rom:8:29: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (Rom.8:16) You prove over and over that you don't believe “The Bible, that's why you (BD) were put out of the Believers section. Matt.18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the HolySpirit(God). Matt.1:20: But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit(God). Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit(God) sh all come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. . You keep seeming to thing that CREATION is the same as PROCREATING. You keep seeming to think that satan's doctrines (falsely) came from God? (2Cor.11:4 / Eph.4:14) . What do you mean? Islam teaches Jesus is the Christ is that false? Devils believe God exists too, but how does that benefit them? (James 2:19) . James 2:19 (King James Version) 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Philippians 2:11-13

Luke 6:45-49 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good;
and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the
abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will show you to whom he is like:
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose,
the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth;
against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
.

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,15:43) Quote (942767 @ April 27 2010,13:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:28) Quote (942767 @ April 25 2010,10:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:36) Quote (942767 @ April 24 2010,15:38) Hi BD: This is what the bible states: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also Well you have part of it right.  You don't deny that Jesus is the Christ, but you deny the Father and the Son. Also, the following verses of scripture: Quote 1 John  5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty You seem to misunderstand. I am not denying the “Father” and “SON” I am denying the term Father and son as being an accurate term in the trues sense. To call Jesus The Christ and God his Creator is by no means a rejection in any way. Hi BD: Denying that God is Jesus Father in what you say is the true sense is what the scripture calls Anti-Christ. The bible states that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary. Quote Matthew 1:20 (King James Version) 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Quote Luke 1:28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty What are you talking about? Calling Jesus The Christ cannot be anti-christ, does that make any sanse to you? Hi BD: Read the whole scripture: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. You have the first part of the scripture right.  Yes, he is the Christ, but God has also revealed to humanity that Jesus is the Son of the Living God, and so you deny the Father and the Son. Quote Matthew 16:13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heave Love in Christ, Marty Then you are a god, because that is what the bible says: Do you believe that? Angels are also the sons of God and so is Solomon and so on. Do you believe that? The Quran clears up these misconceptions. Are you a god? Yes or No? No BD: The Quran does not clear up misconceptions, but distorts the truth and is going to cause many to miss out on God's plan for their salvation.  Hopefully, God will open your eyes to the truth before it is too late. No, I am not a god, but I am a son of God having been born again and God is the Father of my spirit. Quote John  1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he p ower to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Love in Christ, Marty

So you disagree with Jesus and the scriptures?

John 10:34-35 (King James Version)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

So once again are you a god or like a god?

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Genesis 3:21-23

Are there really gods? The Bible says that there are or is it that these words are not clear. Was God talking to gods?

The fact is that in Hebrew one word can mean so many things in a wide range. The Quran makes things clear but if you don't believe me then you should agree with the bible and say that you are a god if you disagree you don't believe the bible.

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Quote (942767 @ April 27 2010,16:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,15:43) Quote (942767 @ April 27 2010,13:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:28) Quote (942767 @ April 25 2010,10:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:36) Quote (942767 @ April 24 2010,15:38) Hi BD: This is what the bible states: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also Well you have part of it right.  You don't deny that Jesus is the Christ, but you deny the Father and the Son. Also, the following verses of scripture: Quote 1 John  5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty You seem to misunderstand. I am not denying the “Father” and “SON” I am denying the term Father and son as being an accurate term in the trues sense. To call Jesus The Christ and God his Creator is by no means a rejection in any way. Hi BD: Denying that God is Jesus Father in what you say is the true sense is what the scripture calls Anti-Christ. The bible states that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary. Quote Matthew 1:20 (King James Version) 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Quote Luke 1:28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty What are you talking about? Calling Jesus The Christ cannot be anti-christ, does that make any sanse to you? Hi BD: Read the whole scripture: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. You have the first part of the scripture right.  Yes, he is the Christ, but God has also revealed to humanity that Jesus is the Son of the Living God, and so you deny the Father and the Son. Quote Matthew 16:13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heave Love in Christ, Marty Then you are a god, because that is what the bible says: Do you believe that? Angels are also the sons of God and so is Solomon and so on. Do you believe that? The Quran clears up these misconceptions. Are you a god? Yes or No? No BD: The Quran does not clear up misconceptions, but distorts the truth and is going to cause many to miss out on God's plan for their salvation.  Hopefully, God will open your eyes to the truth before it is too late. No, I am not a god, but I am a son of God having been born again and God is the Father of my spir it. Quote John  1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Love in Christ, Marty So you disagree with Jesus and the scriptures? John 10:34-35 (King James Version) 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; So once again are you a god or like a god? And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Genesis 3:21-23 Are there really gods? The Bible says that there are or is it that these words are not clear. Was God talking to gods? The fact is that in Hebrew one word can mean so many things in a wide range. The Quran makes things clear but if you don't believe me then you should agree with the bible and say that you are a god if you disagree you don't believe the bible.

Hi BD:

No, I don't disagree with scripture, but I do disagree with Quran.

In the beginning God made man in His own image, the first man Adam was made a living soul, like God in that he was a living person having a mind, a will, and emotions.

The last Adam is a living soul who through obedience to the Word of God without sin even unto death on the cross was made a life-giving spirit.

He is the first born again from the dead, and has been exalted to the right hand of God our Father as head of the church which is the body of Christ, that is all who have been reconciled to God through him, having come to God by faith in what God has testified regarding His Son and His Christ, with a repentant heart, and having been raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit.

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Col 1:9For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; 12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 24Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: 25Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

I am not god but am a work in process becoming like him as I learn to apply His Word in my daily life.

The scripture that you quoted said that they were gods to whom the Word of God came. We know that there is only “One God”, and it is through His Word that we are partakers of the divine nature. Jesus did not say that he was God. He said that he was the Son of God, and that is also what God has revealed to humanity as I have shown you by the scriptures.

However, in the OT the Word of God, the law came to them by Moses, and the atonement for their sin was the blood of animals which did not was away the sins of the people, but was symbolic of the perfect sacrifice as the propitiation for the sins of those under the law as well as for all who come to God through his provision in the NT.

In the NT we are under the following covenant.

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Jeremiah 31: 31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

We are not under the law but under grace.

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John 3:3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

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1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

19I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

20For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

21What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 28 2010,04:33) Quote (942767 @ April 27 2010,16:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,15:43) Quote (942767 @ April 27 2010,13:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:28) Quote (942767 @ April 25 2010,10:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:36) Quote (942767 @ April 24 2010,15:38) Hi BD: This is what the bible states: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also Well you have part of it right.  You don't deny that Jesus is the Christ, but you deny the Father and the Son. Also, the following verses of scripture: Quote 1 John  5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty You seem to misunderstand. I am not denying the “Father” and “SON” I am denying the term Father and son as being an accurate term in the trues sense. To call Jesus The Christ and God his Creator is by no means a rejection in any way. Hi BD: Denying that God is Jesus Father in what you say is the true sense is what the scripture calls Anti-Christ. The bible states that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary. Quote Matthew 1:20 (King James Version) 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Quote Luke 1:28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty What are you talking about? Calling Jesus The Christ cannot be anti-christ, does that make any sanse to you? Hi BD: Read the whole scripture: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. You have the first part of the scripture right.  Yes, he is the Christ, but God has also revealed to humanity that Jesus is the Son of the Living God, and so you deny the Father and the Son. Quote Matthew 16:13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heave Love in Christ, Marty Then you are a god, because that is what the bible says: Do you believe that? Angels are also the sons of God and so is Solomon and so on. Do you believe that? The Quran clears up these misconceptions. Are you a god? Yes or No? No BD: The Quran does not clear up misconceptions, but distorts the truth and is going to cause many to miss out on God's plan for their salvation.  Hopefully, God will open your eyes to the truth before it is too late. No, I am not a god, but I am a son of God having been born again and God is the Father of my spirit. Quote John  1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Love in Christ, Marty So you disagree with Jesus and the scriptures? John 10:34-35 (King James Version) 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; So once again are you a god or like a god? And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Genesis 3:21-23 Are there really gods? The Bible says that there are or is it that these words are not clear. Was God talking to gods? The fact is that in Hebrew one word can mean so many things in a wide range. The Quran makes things clear but if you don't believe me then you should agree with the bible and say that you are a god if you disagree you don't believe the bible. Hi BD: No, I don't disagree with scripture, but I do disagree with Quran. In the beginning God made man in His own image, the first man Adam was made a living soul, like God in that he was a living person having a mind, a will, and emotions.   The last Adam is a living soul who through obedience to the Word of God without sin even unto death on the cross was made a life-giving spirit. He is the first born again from the dead, and has been exalted to the right hand of God our Father as head of the church which is the body of Christ, that is all who have been reconciled to God through him, having come to God by faith in what God has testified regarding His Son and His Christ, with a repentant heart, and having been raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit. Quote Col 1:9For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; 12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 24Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: 25Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: I am not god but am a work in process becoming like him as I learn to apply His Word in my daily life. The scripture that you quoted said that they were gods to whom the Word of God came.  We know that there is only “One God”, and it is through His Word that we are partakers of the divine nature.  Jesus did not say that he was God.  He said that he was the Son of God, and that is also what God has revealed to humanity as I have shown you by the scriptures. However, in the OT the Word of God, the law came to them by Moses, and the atonement for their sin was the blood of animals which did not was away the sins of the people, but was symbolic of the perfect sacrifice as the propitiation for the sins of those under the law as well as for all who come to God through his provision in the NT. In the NT we are under the following covenant. Quote Jeremiah 31: 31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. We are not under the law but under grace.   Quote John  3:3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Quote Romans 6 1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Love in Christ, Marty

So is the scripture clear “That ye are gods”? or do you simply disregard it?

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Quote (942767 @ April 28 2010,09:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 28 2010,04:33) Quote (942767 @ April 27 2010,16:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,15:43) Quote (942767 @ April 27 2010,13:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:28) Quote (942767 @ April 25 2010,10:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:36) Quote (942767 @ April 24 2010,15:38) Hi BD: This is what the bible states: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also Well you have part of it right.  You don't deny that Jesus is the Christ, but you deny the Father and the Son. Also, the following verses of scripture: Quote 1 John  5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty You seem to misunderstand. I am not denying the “Father” and “SON” I am denying the term Father and son as being an accurate term in the trues sense. To call Jesus The Christ and God his Creator is by no means a rejection in any way. Hi BD: Denying that God is Jesus Father in what you say is the true sense is what the scripture calls Anti-Christ. The bible states that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary. Quote Matthew 1:20 (King James Version) 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Quote Luke 1:28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty What are you talking about? Calling Jesus The Christ cannot be anti-christ, does that make any sanse to you? Hi BD: Read the whole scripture: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. You have the first part of the scripture right.  Yes, he is the Christ, but God has also revealed to humanity that Jesus is the Son of the Living God, and so you deny the Father and the Son. Quote Matthew 16:13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heave Love in Christ, Marty Then you are a god, because that is what the bible says: Do you believe that? Angels are also the sons of God and so is Solomon and so on. Do you believe that? The Quran cle ars up these misconceptions. Are you a god? Yes or No? No BD: The Quran does not clear up misconceptions, but distorts the truth and is going to cause many to miss out on God's plan for their salvation.  Hopefully, God will open your eyes to the truth before it is too late. No, I am not a god, but I am a son of God having been born again and God is the Father of my spirit. Quote John  1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Love in Christ, Marty So you disagree with Jesus and the scriptures? John 10:34-35 (King James Version) 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; So once again are you a god or like a god? And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Genesis 3:21-23 Are there really gods? The Bible says that there are or is it that these words are not clear. Was God talking to gods? The fact is that in Hebrew one word can mean so many things in a wide range. The Quran makes things clear but if you don't believe me then you should agree with the bible and say that you are a god if you disagree you don't believe the bible. Hi BD: No, I don't disagree with scripture, but I do disagree with Quran. In the beginning God made man in His own image, the first man Adam was made a living soul, like God in that he was a living person having a mind, a will, and emotions.   The last Adam is a living soul who through obedience to the Word of God without sin even unto death on the cross was made a life-giving spirit. He is the first born again from the dead, and has been exalted to the right hand of God our Father as head of the church which is the body of Christ, that is all who have been reconciled to God through him, having come to God by faith in what God has testified regarding His Son and His Christ, with a repentant heart, and having been raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit. Quote Col 1:9For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; 12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 24Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: 25Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: I am not god but am a work in process becoming like him as I learn to apply His Word in my daily life. The scripture that you quoted said that they were gods to whom the Word of God came.  We know that there is only “One God”, and it is through His Word that we are partakers of the divine nature.  Jesus did not say that he was God.  He said that he was the Son of God, and that is also what God has revealed to humanity as I have shown you by the scriptures. However, in the OT the Word of God, the law came to them by Moses, and the atonement for their sin was the blood of animals which did not was away the sins of the people, but was symbolic of the perfect sacrifice as the propitiation for the sins of those under the law as well as for all who come to God through his provision in the NT. In the NT we are under the following covenant. Quote Jeremiah 31: 31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. We are not under the law but under grace.   Quote John  3:3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4Nicodemus saith unto him, How ca n a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Quote Romans 6 1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Love in Christ, Marty So is the scripture clear “That ye are gods”? or do you simply disregard it?

Hi BD:

No, I don't disregard it. Here is what the Psalmist said.

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Psalm 82 (King James Version) Psalm 82 1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. 3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. 6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Ed J]

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Quote (Ed J @ April 27 2010,11:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,10:17) Quote (Ed J @ April 27 2010,06:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,05:13) Quote (Ed J @ April 26 2010,18:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 26 2010,08:48) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,16:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:35) Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,12:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:25) Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2010,12:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 24 2010,10:21) Quote (karmarie @ April 23 2010,21:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2010,18:32) If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah The comforter to come was the Holy Spirit but in your beliefs that wasn't the Holy Spirit, it was Mohammad. http://www.mostmerciful.com/prophecy.htm Once again if you read the Quran you could say “This is your belief” Hi BD, “The Bible“=63, the word of “YHVH“=63 says the last prophet was “John”! Luke 16:16: The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.                   Beware of false prophets… 1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Matt.7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. . You simply don't understand the words you read do you? And no wonder they are not always written clearly but to say that: “The law and the prophets were until John” Hi BD, 1John 5:9 If we (like BD) receive the witness of men, the witness of [YHVH] is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God(יהוה) gave of his Son. . I know you simply have no way of understanding but the Question is not of God's testimony of Jesus Christ, Jesus is The Christ. I told you if you need to say “Son” go ahead it won't add or diminish anything from God or His Christ. Then again I know you are very intelligent and most likely do understand what I am saying but perhaps you are playing the devils advocate so as to where I can more thoroughly explain. So, let me ask you, when you say that Jesus is the son of God, you do agree with me that God did not impregnate Mary with Sperm, did not Marry Mary, Did not do any act that a human would do to a human, right? Hi BD, Does this mean you now agree the inscription on 'the dome of the rock' is in error? Ed J No there is no error because God does not beget children. He CREATED JESUS and JESUS is HIS SERVANT. Hi BD, You prove over and over that you don't believe “The Bible, that's why you (BD) were put out of the Believers section. Matt.18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the HolySpirit(God). Matt.1:20: But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit(God). Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit(God) shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Rom:8:29: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (Rom.8:16) . You keep seeming to thing that CREATION is the same as PROCREATING. You keep seeming to think that satan's doctrines (falsely) came from God? (2Cor.11:4 / Eph.4:14) . What do you mean? Islam teaches Jesus is the Christ is that false? Devils believe God exists too, but how does that benefit them? (James 2:19) . James 2:19 (King James Version) 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Philippians 2:11-13

Gal.1:6: I marvel that (BD) ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto
another gospel (book of fraud=114): Which is not another(as it is satan's lies); but there be some that trouble you,
and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel(satan) from heaven, preach any other gospel
unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again,
If any man (??) preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

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[karmarie]

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Quote (942767 @ April 28 2010,09:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 28 2010,04:33) Quote (942767 @ April 27 2010,16:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,15:43) Quote (942767 @ April 27 2010,13:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:28) Quote (942767 @ April 25 2010,10:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:36) Quote (942767 @ April 24 2010,15:38) Hi BD: This is what the bible states: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also Well you have part of it right.  You don't deny that Jesus is the Christ, but you deny the Father and the Son. Also, the following verses of scripture: Quote 1 John  5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty You seem to misunderstand. I am not denying the “Father” and “SON” I am denying the term Father and son as being an accurate term in the trues sense. To call Jesus The Christ and God his Creator is by no means a rejection in any way. Hi BD: Denying that God is Jesus Father in what you say is the true sense is what the scripture calls Anti-Christ. The bible states that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary. Quote Matthew 1:20 (King James Version) 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Quote Luke 1:28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty What are you talking about? Calling Jesus The Christ cannot be anti-christ, does that make any sanse to you? Hi BD: Read the whole scripture: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. You have the first part of the scripture right.  Yes, he is the Christ, but God has also revealed to humanity that Jesus is the Son of the Living God, and so you deny the Father and the Son. Quote Matthew 16:13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heave Love in Christ, Marty Then you are a god, because that is what the bible says: Do you believe that? Angels are also the sons of God and so is Solomon and so on. Do you believe that? The Quran cle ars up these misconceptions. Are you a god? Yes or No? No BD: The Quran does not clear up misconceptions, but distorts the truth and is going to cause many to miss out on God's plan for their salvation.  Hopefully, God will open your eyes to the truth before it is too late. No, I am not a god, but I am a son of God having been born again and God is the Father of my spirit. Quote John  1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Love in Christ, Marty So you disagree with Jesus and the scriptures? John 10:34-35 (King James Version) 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; So once again are you a god or like a god? And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Genesis 3:21-23 Are there really gods? The Bible says that there are or is it that these words are not clear. Was God talking to gods? The fact is that in Hebrew one word can mean so many things in a wide range. The Quran makes things clear but if you don't believe me then you should agree with the bible and say that you are a god if you disagree you don't believe the bible. Hi BD: No, I don't disagree with scripture, but I do disagree with Quran. In the beginning God made man in His own image, the first man Adam was made a living soul, like God in that he was a living person having a mind, a will, and emotions.   The last Adam is a living soul who through obedience to the Word of God without sin even unto death on the cross was made a life-giving spirit. He is the first born again from the dead, and has been exalted to the right hand of God our Father as head of the church which is the body of Christ, that is all who have been reconciled to God through him, having come to God by faith in what God has testified regarding His Son and His Christ, with a repentant heart, and having been raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit. Quote Col 1:9For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; 12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 24Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: 25Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: I am not god but am a work in process becoming like him as I learn to apply His Word in my daily life. The scripture that you quoted said that they were gods to whom the Word of God came.  We know that there is only “One God”, and it is through His Word that we are partakers of the divine nature.  Jesus did not say that he was God.  He said that he was the Son of God, and that is also what God has revealed to humanity as I have shown you by the scriptures. However, in the OT the Word of God, the law came to them by Moses, and the atonement for their sin was the blood of animals which did not was away the sins of the people, but was symbolic of the perfect sacrifice as the propitiation for the sins of those under the law as well as for all who come to God through his provision in the NT. In the NT we are under the following covenant. Quote Jeremiah 31: 31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. We are not under the law but under grace.   Quote John  3:3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4Nicodemus saith unto him, How ca n a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Quote Romans 6 1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Love in Christ, Marty So is the scripture clear “That ye are gods”? or do you simply disregard it?

Bod , Why do you quote an entire conversation just to say a few things? (wouldnt it be better just to quote the last thing said?) Seriously.

[TimothyVI]

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Bod , Why do you quote an entire conversation just to say a few things? (wouldnt it be better just to quote the last thing said?)  Seriously.

BOD and ED both do that.
It makes it impossible to follow the logic in their posts.

Tim

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 28 2010,10:10) Quote (942767 @ April 28 2010,09:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 28 2010,04:33) Quote (942767 @ April 27 2010,16:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 27 2010,15:43) Quote (942767 @ April 27 2010,13:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:28) Quote (942767 @ April 25 2010,10:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:36) Quote (942767 @ April 24 2010,15:38) Hi BD: This is what the bible states: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also Well you have part of it right.  You don't deny that Jesus is the Christ, but you deny the Father and the Son. Also, the following verses of scripture: Quote 1 John  5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty You seem to misunderstand. I am not denying the “Father” and “SON” I am denying the term Father and son as being an accurate term in the trues sense. To call Jesus The Christ and God his Creator is by no means a rejection in any way. Hi BD: Denying that God is Jesus Father in what you say is the true sense is what the scripture calls Anti-Christ. The bible states that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary. Quote Matthew 1:20 (King James Version) 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Quote Luke 1:28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Love in Christ, Marty What are you talking about? Calling Jesus The Christ cannot be anti-christ, does that make any sanse to you? Hi BD: Read the whole scripture: Quote 1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. You have the first part of the scripture right.  Yes, he is the Christ, but God has also revealed to humanity that Jesus is the Son of the Living God, and so you deny the Father and the Son. Quote Matthew 16:13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heave Love in Christ, Marty Then you are a god, because that is what the bible says: Do you believe that? Angels are also the sons of God and so is Solomon and so on. Do you believe that? The Quran clears up these misconceptions. Are you a god? Yes or No? No BD: The Quran does not clear up misconceptions, but distorts the truth and is going to cause many to miss out on God's plan for their salvation.  Hopefully, God will open your eyes to the truth before it is too late. No, I am not a god, but I am a son of God having been born again and God is the Father of my spirit. Quote John  1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Love in Christ, Marty So you disagree with Jesus and the scriptures? John 10:34-35 (King James Version) 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; So once again are you a god or like a god? And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Genesis 3:21-23 Are there really gods? The Bible says that there are or is it that these words are not clear. Was God talking to gods? The fact is that in Hebrew one word can mean so many things in a wide range. The Quran makes things clear but if you don't believe me then you should agree with the bible and say that you are a god if you disagree you don't believe the bible. Hi BD: No, I don't disagree with scripture, but I do disagree with Quran. In the beginning God made man in His own image, the first man Adam was made a living soul, like God in that he was a living person having a mind, a will, and emotions.   The last Adam is a living soul who through obedience to the Word of God without sin even unto death on the cross was made a life-giving spirit. He is the first born again from the dead, and has been exalted to the right hand of God our Father as head of the church which is the body of Christ, that is all who have been reconciled to God through him, having come to God by faith in what God has testified regarding His Son and His Christ, with a repentant heart, and having been raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit. Quote Col 1:9For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; 12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; 24Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: 25Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: I am not god but am a work in process becoming like him as I learn to apply His Word in my daily life. The scripture that you quoted said that they were gods to whom the Word of God came.  We know that there is only “One God”, and it is through His Word that we are partakers of the divine nature.  Jesus did not say that he was God.  He said that he was the Son of God, and that is also what God has revealed to humanity as I have shown you by the scriptures. However, in the OT the Word of God, the law came to them by Moses, and the atonement for their sin was the blood of animals which did not was away the sins of the people, but was symbolic of the perfect sacrifice as the propitiation for the sins of those under the law as well as for all who come to God through his provision in the NT. In the NT we are under the following covenant. Quote Jeremiah 31: 31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. We are not under the law but under grace.   Quote John  3:3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Quote Romans 6 1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Love in Christ, Marty So is the scripture clear “That ye are gods”? or do you simply disregard it? Hi BD: No, I don't disregard it.  Here is what the Psalmist said. Quote Psalm 82 (King James Version) Psalm 82 1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. 3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. 6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations. Love in Christ, Marty

So is the psalmist right are there “gods” and does God judge among the “gods”

and once again it says “YE are gods” ALL of you are children of the Most High”

So ALL the men were/are SONS of GOD and ALL the woman were/are DAUGHTERS of GOD if you go by the psalmist. Is the scripture correct?

Jesus said “and the scripture cannot be broken”

So is it true? Are ye gods?

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Quote (karmarie @ April 28 2010,22:29) Bod , Why do you quote an entire conversation just to say a few things? (wouldnt it be better just to quote the last thing said?)  Seriously. BOD and ED both do that. It makes it impossible to follow the logic in their posts. Tim

That makes no sense as logic is based upon sequence. Many times when someone makes some statement and leave out the relevent line of the sequence you have to go back and find the complete posting sequence. So sometimes me and ED may do it, but we certainly do not do it all the time as sometimes there is no reason to.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2010,04:19)

Quote (TimothyVI @ April 28 2010,22:33) Quote (karmarie @ April 28 2010,22:29) Bod , Why do you quote an entire conversation just to say a few things? (wouldnt it be better just to quote the last thing said?)  Seriously. BOD and ED both do that. It makes it impossible to follow the logic in their posts. Tim That makes no sense as logic is based upon sequence. Many times when someone makes some statement and leave out the relevent line of the sequence you have to go back and find the complete posting sequence. So sometimes me and ED may do it, but we certainly do not do it all the time as sometimes there is no reason to.

Hi BD,

Good point my friend!
TimothyIV is forgetting Marty(942767) does it too.

God bless
Ed J
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[karmarie]

Wouldnt quoting so much slow down the website or something? (im not technical so I dont know?) Your replying to what the person has just said yet quote what they also said before that and before that and before that…is it to impress people who you think may come along and read the entire conversation without having to go back? Bod you did start it I noticed and then started up a bad habit in Ed, He doesnt usually do that?

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