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If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah

The comforter to come was the Holy Spirit but in your beliefs that wasnt the Holy Spirit, it was Mohammad.

Once again if you read the Quran you could say “This is your belief”

Hi BD,

“The Bible”=63, the word of “YHVH”=63 says the last prophet was “John”!

Luke 16:16: The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Beware of false prophets…

1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Matt.7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

April 24, 2010 at 3:38 am#188592

942767

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Hi BD:

This is what the bible states:

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1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also

Well you have part of it right. You don't deny that Jesus is the Christ, but you deny the Father and the Son.

Also, the following verses of scripture:

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1 John 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

April 24, 2010 at 4:35 pm#188619

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Who do you believe the verses below were about? Mohummad? (because according to google it seems the majority believe these verses were talking about Mohammads coming)….

John 16:7 “But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter

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But Who the Helper/Comforter was is explained below:

John 14:26 “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
John 7:39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

And in Acts chapter 2 it is fullfilled:

The Coming of the Holy Spirit
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”

33Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

I leave you with that so take care.

Did you simply ignore the fact of what I had posted to you?

The Holy Spirit has always been in the world. Do you think Jesus did not have the Holy Spirit before the river jordan?

The Holy Spirit came at the day of pentecost to those who believed but Jesus had given them the Holy Spirit before he even ascended:

John 20:21-23 (King James Version)

21Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Yes this was before he was even ascended Karmarie:

John 20:17-23 (King James Version)

17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

If they did not receive it then it was because of disbelief and not for any other reason:

Matthew 10
1And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

Do you not know this power he gave them was the Holy Spirit?

Your faith s reflected in your power to submit and Love and then from that great miracles can happen. WAKE UP!

Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
Romans 15:12-14

April 24, 2010 at 5:19 pm#188622

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What does “Son of God” mean in the first place? No legitimate Christian sect suggests that God took a wife and had a child, and most certainly none conceive that God fathered a child through a human mother outside of marriage. Furthermore, to suggest that God physically mated with an element of His creation is so far beyond the limits of religious tolerance as to plummet down the sheer cliff of blasphemy, chasing the mythology of the Greeks.

With no rational explanation available within the tenets of Christian doctrine, the only avenue for closure is to claim yet one more doctrinal mystery. Here is where the Muslim recalls the question posed in the Quran:

“…How can He have a son when He has no consort?…” (Quran 6:101)

Hi BD:

Do Muslims believe that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary?

Love in Christ,
Marty

Yes!

Here is the account:

Surah 3

45 Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
46 “He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous.”
47 She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
48 “And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,
49 “And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): “'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
50 “'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.
51 “'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'”

Hi BD:

And so, Jesus is the Christ, and is the son of Mary.

So, then does Jesus have a Father?

Love in Christ,
Marty

In the same way that Adam has a Father.

God created Man in His image and God created Jesus in His image.

Mary was a Virgin just as the earth was Virgin having no man formed out of it before.

Hi BD:

Adam was created by God out of the dust of the ground, whereas Jesus as you have agreed was born (not created) from a woman who was a vrigin, and so, who is Jesus' Father?

Please do not evade the question. Thank you.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Jesus was born through Mary as a creation by God just as Eve was created through Adam.

I hope you appreciate the comparison.

Now would you say that God fathered Eve with Adam?

Love in Christ
Asana Bodhitharta

Hi BD:

That comparision is besides the point. The question is does Jesus have a Father or not, and if so, who is his Father?

Love in Christ,
Marty

I told you specifically that Jesus and Adam were CREATED so if you consider Adam the son of God so is Jesus but if you consider Adam a creation of God then so was Jesus.

Jesus is called the SECOND ADAM but we know for a fact that Adam is not called Son of God until the NT so what was he considered from the beginning? A creation.

GOD created MAN, GOD did not FATHER MAN.

God is not a man and does not procreate children like a man, He does not need to have a mate or consort he could have formed Jesus just as easily out of the earth as he did with Adam.

You call yourself a child of God and being a male that would make you a son of God, how could you be the son of God other than to be HIS servant?

No, BD:

The first man Adam was created by God that is true, but all of humanity other than Jesus, were born of Adam's seed. Jesus was not created, he was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary that is what the bible states.

The following verse is central to the salvation of humanity:

John 3:16-18 states: For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. He that believeth in him is not condemned, but he that does not believe is condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This is God intervening in the events of man in order to provide a means for mankind to be reconciled to him. It is an Act of love, and the virgin Mary agreed to be used by God in this way. And Joseph also when he understood God's purpose also agreed to this. There is no sexual intercourse involved.

You want to pick and ch
oose what parts of the bible you want to quote. You have stated that you believe in the virgin birth. Yes, you have in the Quran that Jesus is the son of Mary, but you deny the Father and the Son, and that according to 1 John is Anti-Christ.

I am a son of God because the blood of Jesus has washed away my sins, and I have been born again or raised from the dead (spiritual death) and been reconciled by God by His Holy Spirit. I am a son of God because God is the Father of my spirit, and I am obeying the commandments that have come from Him to humanity through His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.

There is no other way to be reconciled to God except through what He has done for Humanity in giving us our Lord and saviour, His Only Begotten Son and His Christ. May God open your eyes to the truth.

Love in Christ,
Marty

If what you say is true then why is it that others are called “Son of God” before Jesus arrived?

In-fact why is it said:

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Psalm 82:5-7

The fact is Jesus was the only man God created that had been borne out of a woman but that makes the Woman the Mother of Jesus just as it makes the Earth the Mother of Adam. Eve came from Adam but do you call Adam the Father of Eve? Adam became a living soul by the breath of God is that creation or conception?

When you say that God is the Father of your Spirit don't you mean that HE is your Creator. I understand that you love the analogy and metaphor of calling God “Father” but a more mature way of understanding God is that God is a Spirit, He is not a “Father” or “Mother” or any type of Human term.

Islam respects the truth about God, that HE cannot be described in terms we could ever understand.

Father and son are terms that are in the realm of creation hence we have called even the angels “Sons of God” Did God really “Father” angels?

Why do you think it says “On this day I have begotten thee”?

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There is no other way to be reconciled to God except through what He has done for Humanity in giving us our Lord and saviour, His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.

God has always told us that to repent is to reconcile to HIM so your information is incorrect. Jesus was not sent to ALL he was sent to be the Messiah of the Jews

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:23-25

He told his disciples:

But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 10:5-7

Truly this was about Israel:

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 5:30-32

Just so you understand:

God gave Israel his only uniquely born son so that Israel shall be saved and also he is a light unto the gentiles that hey should accept the God of the Jews as their own God.

Salvation comes by way of the Jew. Jesus preached and showed all of what I am saying to be true.

Jesus said do not go to the gentiles:

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Matthew 10:4-6

So when Jesus sends his disciples to the world he is only talking about Jews. This is whom Jesus was sent to he is the Jewish Messiah and those who accept the Jewish Messiah as such has turned to God and that is salvation.

What commandments are you obeying

The commandments of the Jews or the commandments of the gentiles?

That's why so many Christians are confused they don't understand the difference. If you are not a Jew then why would you keep Jewish Law as a gentile you were told:

But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Acts 15:19-21

The Laws that you were told to follow are the Laws given to all mankind through NOAH:

Genesis 9
1And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

2And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.

3Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

4But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

5And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

6Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

7And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.

8And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying,

9And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;

10And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth.

11And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

12And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

God has different covenants with different groups of people you can honour your covenant with God without dismissing the covenant others have with God.

No need to dismiss Moses to accept Jesus and no need to dismiss Jesus to accept Muhammad and in doing so it simply shows ignorance.

God made MANKIND in HIS image not just the people you like!

April 24, 2010 at 5:25 pm#188623

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If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah

The comforter to come was the Holy Spirit but in your beliefs that wasnt the Holy Spirit, it was Mohammad.

Once again if you read the Quran you could say “This is your belief”

Hi BD,

“The Bible”=63, the word of “YHVH”=63 says the last prophet was “John”!

Luke 16:16: The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Beware of false prophets…

You simply don't understand the words you read do you? And no wonder they are not always written clearly but to say that:

“The law and the prophets were until John”

Does not mean that Jesus and other prophets and Laws will not come the word simply means “up until now” as in “so far”

And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
Matthew 13:56-58

And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.
Matthew 21:10-12

And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
Luke 24:18-20

There you have it Jesus was a Prophet and therefore John was not the last prophet.

April 24, 2010 at 5:36 pm#188624

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Hi BD:

This is what the bible states:

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1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also

Well you have part of it right. You don't deny that Jesus is the Christ, but you deny the Father and the Son.

Also, the following verses of scripture:

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1 John 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

You seem to misunderstand. I am not denying the “Father” and “SON” I am denying the term Father and son as being an accurate term in the trues sense.

To call Jesus The Christ and God his Creator is by no means a rejection in any way.

April 24, 2010 at 10:34 pm#188644

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Hi BD:

This is what the bible states:

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1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also

Well you have part of it right. You don't deny that Jesus is the Christ, but you deny the Father and the Son.

Also, the following verses of scripture:

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1 John 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

You seem to misunderstand. I am not denying the “Father” and “SON” I am denying the term Father and son as being an accurate term in the trues sense.

To call Jesus The Christ and God his Creator is by no means a rejection in any way.

Hi BD:

Denying that God is Jesus Father in what you say is the true sense is what the scripture calls Anti-Christ.

The bible states that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary.

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Matthew 1:20 (King James Version)

20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

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Luke 1:28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

April 25, 2010 at 12:05 am#188650

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If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah

The comforter to come was the Holy Spirit but in your beliefs that wasnt the Holy Spirit, it was Mohammad.

Once again if you read the Quran you could say “This is your belief”

Hi BD,

“The Bible”=63, the word of “YHVH”=63 says the last prophet was “John”!

Luke 16:16: The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Beware of false prophets…

You simply don't understand the words you read do you? And no wonder they are not always written clearly but to say that:

“The law and the prophets were until John”

Does not mean that Jesus and other prophets and Laws will not come the word simply means “up until now” as in “so far”

And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
Matthew 13:56-58

And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.
Matthew 21:10-12

And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
Luke 24:18-20

There you have it Jesus was a Prophet and therefore John was not the last prophet.

Hi BD,

1John 5:9 If we (like BD) receive the witness of men, the witness of [YHVH] is greater:
for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on
the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made
him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God(יהוה) gave of his Son.
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April 25, 2010 at 12:28 am#188654

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Hi BD:

This is what the bible states:

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1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also

Well you have part of it right. You don't deny that Jesus is the Christ, but you deny the Father and the Son.

Also, the following verses of scripture:

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1 John 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

You seem to misunderstand. I am not denying the “Father” and “SON” I am denying the term Father and son as being an accurate term in the trues sense.

To call Jesus The Christ and God his Creator is by no means a rejection in any way.

Hi BD:

Denying that God is Jesus Father in what you say is the true sense is what the scripture calls Anti-Christ.

The bible states that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary.

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Matthew 1:20 (King James Version)

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Luke 1:28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Love in Christ,
Marty

What are you talking about?

Calling Jesus The Christ cannot be anti-christ, does that make any sanse to you?

April 25, 2010 at 12:35 am#188655

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If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah

The comforter to come was the Holy Spirit but in your beliefs that wasnt the Holy Spirit, it was Mohammad.

Once again if you read the Quran you could say “This is your belief”

Hi BD,

“The Bible”=63, the word of “YHVH”=63 says the last prophet was “John”!

Luke 16:16: The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Beware of false prophets…

You simply don't understand the words you read do you? And no wonder they are not always written clearly but to say that:

“The law and the prophets were until John”

Does not mean that Jesus and other prophets and Laws will not come the word simply means “up until now” as in “so far”

And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
Matthew 13:56-58

And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.
Matthew 21:10-12

And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
Luke 24:18-20

There you have it Jesus was a Prophet and therefore John was not the last prophet.

Hi BD,

I know you simply have no way of understanding but the Question is not of God's testimony of Jesus Christ, Jesus is The Christ.

I told you if you need to say “Son” go ahead it won't add or diminish anything from God or His Christ.

Then again I know you are very intelligent and most likely do understand what I am saying but perhaps you are playing the devils advocate so as to where I can more thoroughly explain.

So, let me ask you, when you say that Jesus is the son of God, you do agree with me that God did not impregnate Mary with Sperm, did not Marry Mary, Did not do any act that a human would do to a human, right?

April 25, 2010 at 1:32 am#188660

Laurel

Participant

Mariam was not “known” by a man. The Set apart Spirit of Elohim formed a person in the form of a male child, like Adam, who was formed from the dust of the erets (earth), the first born, in the womb of a human. A woman YHWH chose to place His seed, of the one in WHOM WE MUST OBEY. Not like Yochanan, the Immerser, in whom the Spirit of YHWH was since his birth, but Yochanan was like EliYAHu, in whom the Spirit of YHWH was, to inform us believers, to “COME OUT OF BABYLON”, and make a straight path for YHWH Elohim. Yochan the Immerser was the fore-runner of the Messiah Yahushua who came in the Name of YHWH, who came to proclaim the “Day of YHWH,”

So when the people heard the Words and saw the works of Yahushua, they would “know” that this was the “one” whom YHWH promised to Mosheh, that we must obey. Not like the Chirstian church we know of today, but like the One in whom Mosheh taught. YHWH ELohim is the One and only MIGHTY ONE over all the earth. Yahushua came in YHWH's Name, and thught the TORAH. Anything else is false.

Sp in fact Mariam gave birth to the Son of Elohim, not of “man's seed” but od the Spirit of the Creator YHWH Elohim. This is why nYahushua was called “The Second Adam. The second man that YHWH made since creation. All the rest od us were formed in our father's image, the man and the woman.
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April 25, 2010 at 1:41 am#188662

Laurel

Participant

Mariam was not “known” by a man. The Set apart Spirit of Elohim formed a person in the form of a male child, like Adam, who was formed from the dust of the erets (earth), the first born, in the womb of a human. A woman YHWH chose to place His seed, of the one in WHOM WE MUST OBEY. Not like Yochanan, the Immerser, in whom the Spirit of YHWH was since his birth, but Yochanan was like EliYAHu, in whom the Spirit of YHWH was, to inform us believers, to “COME OUT OF BABYLON”, and make a straight path for YHWH Elohim. Yochanan the Immerser was the fore-runner of the Messiah Yahushua who came in the Name of YHWH, who came to proclaim the “Day of YHWH,”

So when the people heard the Words and saw the works of Yahushua, they would “know” that this was the “One” whom YHWH promised to Mosheh, that we must obey. Not like the Chirstian church we know of today, but like the One in whom Mosheh taught. YHWH ELohim is the One and only MIGHTY ONE over all the earth. Yahushua came in YHWH's Name, and taught the TORAH. Anything else is false.

Sp in fact Mariam gave birth to the Son of Elohim, not of “man's seed” but od the Spirit of the Creator YHWH Elohim. This is why Yahushua was called “The Second Adam. The second man that YHWH made since creation. All the rest of us were formed in our father's image, the man and the woman, in our mother's womb.
:blues:

April 25, 2010 at 1:42 am#188664

Laurel

Participant

Mariam was not “known” by a man. The Set apart Spirit of Elohim formed a person in the form of a male child, like Adam, who was formed from the dust of the erets (earth), the first born, in the womb of a human. A woman YHWH chose to place His seed, of the one in WHOM WE MUST OBEY. Not like Yochanan, the Immerser, in whom the Spirit of YHWH was since his birth, but Yochanan was like EliYAHu, in whom the Spirit of YHWH was, to inform us believers, to “COME OUT OF BABYLON”, and make a straight path for YHWH Elohim. Yochanan the Immerser was the fore-runner of the Messiah Yahushua who came in the Name of YHWH, who came to proclaim the “Day of YHWH,”

So in fact Mariam gave birth to the Son of Elohim, not of “man's seed” but of the Spirit of the Creator YHWH Elohim. This is why Yahushua was called “The Second Adam. The second man that YHWH made since creation. All the rest of us were formed in our father's image, the man and the woman, in our mother's womb.
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April 25, 2010 at 4:30 am#188689

Participant

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:35)

Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,12:05)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:25)

Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2010,12:50)

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If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah

The comforter to come was the Holy Spirit but in your beliefs that wasnt the Holy Spirit, it was Mohammad.

Once again if you read the Quran you could say “This is your belief”

Hi BD,

“The Bible”=63, the word of “YHVH”=63 says the last prophet was “John”!

Luke 16:16: The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Beware of false prophets…

You simply don't understand the words you read do you? And no wonder they are not always written clearly but to say that:

“The law and the prophets were until John”

Does not mean that Jesus and other prophets and Laws will not come the word simply means “up until now” as in “so far”

And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
Matthew 13:56-58

And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.
Matthew 21:10-12

And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
Luke 24:18-20

There you have it Jesus was a Prophet and therefore John was not the last prophet.

Hi BD,

I know you simply have no way of understanding but the Question is not of God's testimony of Jesus Christ, Jesus is The Christ.

I told you if you need to say “Son” go ahead it won't add or diminish anything from God or His Christ.

Then again I know you are very intelligent and most likely do understand what I am saying but perhaps you are playing the devils advocate so as to where I can more thoroughly explain.

Hi BD,

Does this mean you now agree the inscription on 'the dome of the rock' is in error?

Ed J

April 25, 2010 at 9:30 am#188711

Participant

To All,

How has the most active thread suddenly lost its appeal?
Has this topic infiltrated into other topics on this forum?

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

April 25, 2010 at 6:42 pm#188737

NickHassan

Participant

Hi ED,
Men assume everywhere that they are in the body of Christ.
They have read and loved the bible and come to understandings.
But God knows those who are His-they are made one with his Son in Him.

April 25, 2010 at 6:44 pm#188738

NickHassan

Participant

Hi ED,
This is a bible study site.
Discussion of the imagined trinity never had much of a future here.

April 25, 2010 at 8:40 pm#188760

Participant

Quote (Laurel @ April 25 2010,13:32)

Very good post!

April 25, 2010 at 8:48 pm#188761

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,16:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:35)

Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,12:05)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:25)

Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2010,12:50)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 24 2010,10:21)

Quote (karmarie @ April 23 2010,21:05)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2010,18:32)

If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah

The comforter to come was the Holy Spirit but in your beliefs that wasnt the Holy Spirit, it was Mohammad.

http://timothyministries.org/theolog….+of+god

Once again if you read the Quran you could say “This is your belief”

Hi BD,

“The Bible”=63, the word of “YHVH”=63 says the last prophet was “John”!

Luke 16:16: The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Beware of false prophets…

You simply don't understand the words you read do you? And no wonder they are not always written clearly but to say that:

“The law and the prophets were until John”

Does not mean that Jesus and other prophets and Laws will not come the word simply means “up until now” as in “so far”

And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
Matthew 13:56-58

And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.
Matthew 21:10-12

And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
Luke 24:18-20

There you have it Jesus was a Prophet and therefore John was not the last prophet.

Hi BD,

I know you simply have no way of understanding but the Question is not of God's testimony of Jesus Christ, Jesus is The Christ.

I told you if you need to say “Son” go ahead it won't add or diminish anything from God or His Christ.

Then again I know you are very intelligent and most likely do understand what I am saying but perhaps you are playing the devils advocate so as to where I can more thoroughly explain.

Hi BD,

Does this mean you now agree the inscription on 'the dome of the rock' is in error?

Ed J

No there is no error because God does not beget children. He CREATED JESUS and JESUS is HIS SERVANT.

This point was needed to be made because of the gentile Christians obsession with deifying Man. this “son of God” scenario was not new in the pre-christian era it is an attempt to make man be God.

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Human or part-human offspring of deities are very common in other religions and mythologies. A great many pantheons also included genealogies in which various gods were descended from other gods, and so the term “son of a god” may be applied to many deities themselves.
Ancient mythology contains many characters with both a human parent and a god parent. They include Hercules, whose father was Zeus, and Virgil's Aeneas, whose mother was Venus.

In Plato's Apology, an account of Socrates' defence at his trial, Socrates meets the accusation of atheism by getting his accuser to admit that, since he had spoken of Socrates as believing in “spiritual agencies”, he was admitting that Socrates believed in “spirits or demigods”, and since spirits or demigods are “either gods or the sons of gods” (theon paidas not uioi theou), he was illogical in accusing him of atheism.[32]

In the Greek and Roman cultures in which early Christianity expanded after first arising within Judaism, the concepts of demi-gods, sons or daughters of a god, as in the story of Perseus, were commonly known and accepted.

In the Rastafari movement, Haile Selassie is considered to be God the Son, a part of the Holy Trinity. He himself never accepted the idea officially.

In the Epic of Gilgamesh, one of the earliest recorded legends of humanity, Gilgamesh claimed to be of both human and divine descent.

According to the Radha Soami Satsang Beas teachings, known as Sant Mat or Teachings of the Saints, “Son of God” refers to a living Master who connects souls with the Creator through the Shabd or Holy Spirit.

There are no direct analogues in Chinese culture which has been essentially atheistic among the literate classes since Han times, but the Emperor was generally styled the Son of Heaven and his or her rule was justified by the Mandate of Heaven.
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April 26, 2010 at 6:05 am#188789

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 26 2010,08:48)

Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,16:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,12:35)

Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2010,12:05)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 25 2010,05:25)

Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2010,12:50)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 24 2010,10:21)

Quote (karmarie @ April 23 2010,21:05)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2010,18:32)

If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah

The comforter to come was the Holy Spirit but in your beliefs that wasnt the Holy Spirit, it was Mohammad.