The Trinity Doctrine

[karmarie]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 22 2010,22:44)

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. John 4:21-23 Do you worship the One and Only God as The Jews and Muslims do? You seem to worship the creation of God instead of being obedient to His Messiah

World English Bible
You worship that which you don't know. We worship that which we know; for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Salvation came (for the World) from (amongst) the Jews. Which is Jesus.

[karmarie]

But never mind, Bod, your not really talking to me anymore now are you?

I wish you would get back on track, Islam isnt everything you think it is, though it may feel good, though you may feel you are a part of something, theres no difference in how you feel with Christianity actually Christianity feels so much better. It doesnt mean you need to go to Church or anything, its just what to believe within, with your heart and mind, what you choose to believe (and read).

The choice is yours? But I wish you would make the right choice. Unfortunatly you have read the Quran probably over and over, I wish youd just stop (reading it).

You might think im (harsh) but 'love thy neighbour as thyself' so id be trying to tell myself the same thing if I looked back from now.

[karmarie]

Quote (Ed J @ April 22 2010,18:54)

Hi Karmarie, I believe you are looking for this verse… Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou(יהשוע) shouldest be my(יהוה) servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I(117=יהוה האלהים) will also give thee(יהשוע) for a light to the Gentiles, that thou(Jesus) mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. But it doesn't matter how many bible verses you, me or anyone else produces because BD's philosophy is…     'don't bother me with the facts, because I(Asana Bodhitharta) have already made up my mind'. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hey Ed. Thanks.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ April 22 2010,21:53)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 22 2010,22:44) Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. John 4:21-23 Do you worship the One and Only God as The Jews and Muslims do? You seem to worship the creation of God instead of being obedient to His Messiah World English Bible You worship that which you don't know. We worship that which we know; for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” Salvation came (for the World) from (amongst) the Jews. Which is Jesus.

Jesus didn't say that so why put it in his mouth. Jesus said exactly what he meant:

“the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Are you a true worshiper or do you substitute the greater with the lesser for Jesus said “My Father is greater than I”

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ April 22 2010,22:04)

But never mind, Bod, your not really talking to me anymore now are you? I wish you would get back on track, Islam isnt everything you think it is, though it may feel good, though you may feel you are a part of something, theres no difference in how you feel with Christianity actually Christianity feels so much better. It doesnt mean you need to go to Church or anything, its just what to believe within, with your heart and mind, what you choose to believe (and read). The choice is yours? But I wish you would make the right choice. Unfortunatly you have read the Quran probably over and over, I wish youd just stop (reading it). You might think im (harsh) but 'love thy neighbour as thyself' so id be trying to tell myself the same thing if I looked back from now.

You don't go to church and don't believe in Hell and yet you Judge me when Jesus said do not Judge me lest you be judged.

Jesus said:

Ye judge according to the flesh; I judge no man.
John 8:14-16

So look what you have done: First you made Jesus more important than God and then you made yourself more important than Jesus.

If God gave Judgement to Jesus and then Jesus gave judgement to you then why do you use it to condemn?

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
John 7:23-25

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
John 12:46-48

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
Romans 2:1-3

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Romans 14:12-14

[karmarie]

“..And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire“..(Jude 1:23

If my neighbour was caught in a fire I would run in to try and save Him…(I wouldnt just walk past whistling) would you?

It has nothing to do with judging someone it has to do with trying to save someone.

[karmarie]

Jesus spoke to them, saying,  “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

“and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”..(John 8:32)

John 8
So the Pharisees said to him, “You are bearing witness about yourself; your testimony is not true.” Jesus answered, “Even if I do bear witness about myself, my testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going, but you do not know where I come from or where I am going.You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone who judge, but I and the Father who sent me. In your Law it is written that the testimony of two people is true. I am the one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.” They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered,  “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.“….

…. “We have one Father—even God.” Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.  Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word.  You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 22 2010,16:45)

Quote (942767 @ April 22 2010,09:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 21 2010,15:51) Quote (942767 @ April 21 2010,08:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 21 2010,08:43) Quote (942767 @ April 21 2010,05:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 20 2010,14:33) What does “Son of God” mean in the first place?  No legitimate Christian sect suggests that God took a wife and had a child, and most certainly none conceive that God fathered a child through a human mother outside of marriage.  Furthermore, to suggest that God physically mated with an element of His creation is so far beyond the limits of religious tolerance as to plummet down the sheer cliff of blasphemy, chasing the mythology of the Greeks. With no rational explanation available within the tenets of Christian doctrine, the only avenue for closure is to claim yet one more doctrinal mystery.  Here is where the Muslim recalls the question posed in the Quran: “…How can He have a son when He has no consort?…” (Quran 6:101) Hi BD: Do Muslims believe that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary? Love in Christ, Marty Yes! Here is the account: Surah 3 45 Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.   46 “He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous.”   47 She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!   48 “And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,   49 “And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): “'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;   50 “'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.   51 “'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'” Hi BD: And so, Jesus is the Christ, and is the son of Mary. So, then does Jesus have a Father? Love in Christ, Marty In the same way that Adam has a Father. God created Man in His image and God created Jesus in His image. Mary was a Virgin just as the earth was Virgin having no man formed out of it before. Hi BD: Adam was created by God out of the dust of the ground, whereas  Jesus as you have agreed was born (not created) from a woman who was a vrigin, and so, who is Jesus' Father? Please do not evade the question.  Thank you. Love in Christ, Marty Jesus was born through Mary as a creation by God just as Eve was created through Adam. I hope you appreciate the comparison. Now would you say that God fathered Eve with Adam? Love in Christ Asana Bodhitharta

Hi BD:

That comparision is besides the point. The question is does Jesus have a Father or not, and if so, who is his Father?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ April 23 2010,10:59)

“..And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire“..(Jude 1:23 If my neighbour was caught in a fire I would run in to try and save Him…(I wouldnt just walk past whistling) would you? It has nothing to do with judging someone it has to do with trying to save someone.

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“..And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire“..(Jude 1:23

This passage pertains to Morality not what you are trying to use it for People are saved from sin and told to repent from sin.

How is it you do not know the Gospel?

I will now prove that you are wrong:

How is it that the Bible explicitly says that The Gentiles need not be converted to Judaism? So if God says that Jews should not be gentiles and gentiles should not be obligated to follow Jewish law you seem to ADD to the message and point of the Bible.

Acts 15:19-21 (King James Version)

19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Acts 15:19-21

Now pay attention and repent from your ways of MAN:

Acts 15:21 (King James Version)

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

This is clear proof that Preaching Jesus in his day is the same as preaching Jesus at his time or preaching Muhammad at his time. If this was not true why is it mentioned.

The fact is Jesus lifted some of the burdens of those who accepted him as Christ but it shows that Moses was to be followed when he was accepted as the deliverer of The Jews.

Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.
Ezekiel 33:19-21

If you would only study a little more and not try to condemn what you neither understand nor grasp it would be better for you. Why is it that Jesus spoke of the GOOD Samaritan saying that this is “your neighbor” The Samaritans were not Jewish or Christians but those who act in a certain way with Faith and Purpose are The Children of God.

But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.
Psalm 75:6-8

Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
James 4:10-12

There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
James 4:11-13

Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
James 5:8-10

Now here is the final proof:

And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to everyman's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
1 Peter 1:16-18

What do you think EVERY MAN”S WORK mean? Only Christians, Only Jews, Only Muslims?

EVERY MAN! God does not belong exclusively to YOU, ED or ME. ALL things Belong to God and were created by God we have no way of knowing the thoughts of God but we do know that God has not condoned attacking those who worship Him and yet you do so bravely.

You should really read Job to get over yourself:

Job 42
1Then Job answered the LORD, and said,

2I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.

3Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.

4Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.

5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.

6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

You should repent and turn towards the way of God, the way of Love.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ April 23 2010,12:19)

Jesus spoke to them, saying,  “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” “and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”..(John 8:32) John 8 So the Pharisees said to him, “You are bearing witness about yourself; your testimony is not true.” Jesus answered, “Even if I do bear witness about myself, my testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going, but you do not know where I come from or where I am going.You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone who judge, but I and the Father who sent me. In your Law it is written that the testimony of two people is true. I am the one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.” They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered,  “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.“…. …. “We have one Father—even God.” Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.  Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word.  You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Remember Karmarie, The problem here is you not Loving and accepting Muhammad it is not about Loving Christ because we both confess to Love Jesus Christ, you just believe that Loving Jesus Christ means to disregard over a billion people who love Jesus Christ but will not make Jesus equal to God.

But Jesus said that you are incorrect in your narrow view:

And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Matthew 18:4-6

For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
Mark 9:40-42

Yet you preach that they will lose their reward. You should repent. If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ April 23 2010,12:45)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 22 2010,16:45) Quote (942767 @ April 22 2010,09:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 21 2010,15:51) Quote (942767 @ April 21 2010,08:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 21 2010,08:43) Quote (942767 @ April 21 2010,05:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 20 2010,14:33) What does “Son of God” mean in the first place?  No legitimate Christian sect suggests that God took a wife and had a child, and most certainly none conceive that God fathered a child through a human mother outside of marriage.  Furthermore, to suggest that God physically mated with an element of His creation is so far beyond the limits of religious tolerance as to plummet down the sheer cliff of blasphemy, chasing the mythology of the Greeks. With no rational explanation available within the tenets of Christian doctrine, the only avenue for closure is to claim yet one more doctrinal mystery.  Here is where the Muslim recalls the question posed in the Quran: “…How can He have a son when He has no consort?…” (Quran 6:101) Hi BD: Do Muslims believe that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary? Love in Christ, Marty Yes! Here is the account: Surah 3 45 Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.   46 “He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous.”   47 She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!   48 “And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,   49 “And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): “'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;   50 “'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.   51 “'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'” Hi BD: And so, Jesus is the Christ, and is the son of Mary. So, then does Jesus have a Father? Love in Christ, Marty In the same way that Adam has a Father. God created Man in His image and God created Jesus in His image. Mary was a Virgin just as the earth was Virgin having no man formed out of it before. Hi BD: Adam was created by God out of the dust of the ground, whereas  Jesus as you have agreed was born (not created) from a woman who was a vrigin, and so, who is Jesus' Father? Please do not evade the question.  Thank you. Love in Christ, Marty Jesus was born through Mary as a creation by God just as Eve was created through Adam. I hope you appreciate the comparison. Now would you say that God fathered Eve with Adam? Love in Christ Asana Bodhitharta Hi BD: That comparision is besides the point.  The question is does Jesus have a Father or not, and if so, who is his Father? Love in Christ, Marty

I told you specifically that Jesus and Adam were CREATED so if you consider Adam the son of God so is Jesus but if you consider Adam a creation of God then so was Jesus.

Jesus is called the SECOND ADAM but we know for a fact that Adam is not called Son of God until the NT so what was he considered from the beginning? A creation.

GOD created MAN, GOD did not FATHER MAN.

God is not a man and does not procreate children like a man, He does not need to have a mate or consort he could have formed Jesus just as easily out of the earth as he did with Adam.

You call yourself a child of God and being a male that would make you a son of God, how could you be the son of God other than to be HIS servant?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2010,16:32)

Quote (karmarie @ April 23 2010,12:19) Jesus spoke to them, saying,  “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” “and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”..(John 8:32) John 8 So the Pharisees said to him, “You are bearing witness about yourself; your testimony is not true.” Jesus answered, “Even if I do bear witness about myself, my testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going, but you do not know where I come from or where I am going.You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone who judge, but I and the Father who sent me. In your Law it is written that the testimony of two people is true. I am the one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.” They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered,  “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.“…. …. “We have one Father—even God.” Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.  Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word.  You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Remember Karmarie, The problem here is you not Loving and accepting Muhammad it is not about Loving Christ because we both confess to Love Jesus Christ, you just believe that Loving Jesus Christ means to disregard over a billion people who love Jesus Christ but will not make Jesus equal to God. But Jesus said that you are incorrect in your narrow view: And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. Matthew 18:4-6 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward. Mark 9:40-42 Yet you preach that they will lose their reward. You should repent. If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah

Hi BD,

Muhammad was tricked by 'Lucifer'/satan (Isaiah 14:12-15),
why do you fall for his trick as well? (Gal.1:6-9 / 2Cor.11:14)
Turn back to “Our YHVH”=117 (“YHVH”=63 of “The Bible”=63)

                            “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[karmarie]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2010,18:32)

If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah

The comforter to come was the Holy Spirit but in your beliefs that wasnt the Holy Spirit, it was Mohammad.

http://www.mostmerciful.com/prophecy.htm

[karmarie]

The coming of the Holy Spirit was fulfilled in Acts chapter 2.

[karmarie]

The last thing I have to say is to please stop reading the Quran, read just the Bible, really look properly, its all up to you.
You say I need to stop judging ok then. I will. (stop) because your not really listening anyway. Maybe one day you will see this? Iv tried. Take care Bod ok?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ April 23 2010,21:05)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 23 2010,18:32) If you do not accept Muhammd you have rejected the word of God and His Messiah The comforter to come was the Holy Spirit but in your beliefs that wasnt the Holy Spirit, it was Mohammad. http://www.mostmerciful.com/prophecy.htm

Once again if you read the Quran you could say “This is your belief” but you read websites and accuse me of believing something without asking me or providing the information from the source of my belief i.e. The Quran and The Bible

We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you an apostle with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #87)

Now this is from the Quran and it is the same as in the Holy Bible.

As pertaining to John the Baptist it says:

Luke 1:76-80 (King James Version)

76And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;

77To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

78Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,

79To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

80And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.

as in the early Church:

Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace. It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord.
Acts 9:30-32

So you seem to be misguided about what I believe but even if I did believe what you say how exactly do you think the Holy Spirit acts except through men?

John the baptist had The Holy Spirit and he was born before Jesus, in-fact Mary had The Holy Spirit and in-fact all the God fearing have it otherwise how would you recognize God in a man without Godliness in the man?

And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
1 John 4:15-17

That's what I believe, do you?

You can go on beating your head against a wall trying to find whom you can disqualify and people can spend their time beating their heads against the wall trying to disqualify you

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Joshua 24:14-16

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ April 23 2010,21:52)

The coming of the Holy Spirit was fulfilled in Acts chapter 2.

I hate to be so harsh with you but it really is best to cut off your ignorance as a form of circumcision of the heart.

Jesus had the Holy Spirit before acts 2
John the Baptist had the Holy Spirit before Jesus was born
Mary had the Holy Spirit before Jesus was born
Moses had the Holy Spirit long before Jesus was born

Jesus declares that God will give the Holy Spirit to anyone that asks and he says this during his life time not contingent upon any death. In-fact when he told his disciples to go out and heal by what power did you think they could perform such miracles other than by the Holy Spirit?

It's like your stuck in the matrix take the right pill and wake up and really see how far the rabbit hole goes! WAKE UP!

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Luke 11:12-14

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ April 23 2010,22:03)

The last thing I have to say is to please stop reading the Quran, read just the Bible, really look properly, its all up to you. You say I need to stop judging ok then. I will. (stop) because your not really listening anyway. Maybe one day you will see this? Iv tried. Take care Bod ok?

You can't stop judging as long as you think you're right.

Try not filling in the gaps and say what IS REAL:

Can you show me ONE SINGLE place in the BIBLE that prohibits you from SUBMITTING TO GOD?

[karmarie]

Who do you believe the verses below were about? Mohummad? (because according to google it seems the majority believe these verses were talking about Mohammads coming)….

John 16:7 “But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter

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But Who the Helper/Comforter was is explained below:

John 14:26 “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
John 7:39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

And in Acts chapter 2 it is fullfilled:

The Coming of the Holy Spirit
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”

33Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

I leave you with that so take care.

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Quote (942767 @ April 23 2010,12:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 22 2010,16:45) Quote (942767 @ April 22 2010,09:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 21 2010,15:51) Quote (942767 @ April 21 2010,08:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 21 2010,08:43) Quote (942767 @ April 21 2010,05:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 20 2010,14:33) What does “Son of God” mean in the first place?  No legitimate Christian sect suggests that God took a wife and had a child, and most certainly none conceive that God fathered a child through a human mother outside of marriage.  Furthermore, to suggest that God physically mated with an element of His creation is so far beyond the limits of religious tolerance as to plummet down the sheer cliff of blasphemy, chasing the mythology of the Greeks. With no rational explanation available within the tenets of Christian doctrine, the only avenue for closure is to claim yet one more doctrinal mystery.  Here is where the Muslim recalls the question posed in the Quran: “…How can He have a son when He has no consort?…” (Quran 6:101) Hi BD: Do Muslims believe that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary? Love in Christ, Marty Yes! Here is the account: Surah 3 45 Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.   46 “He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous.”   47 She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!   48 “And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,   49 “And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): “'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;   50 “'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.   51 “'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'” Hi BD: And so, Jesus is the Christ, and is the son of Mary. So, then does Jesus have a Father? Love in Christ, Marty In the same way that Adam has a Father. God created Man in His image and God created Jesus in His image. Mary was a Virgin just as the earth was Virgin having no man formed out of it before. Hi BD: Adam was created by God out of the dust of the ground, whereas  Jesus as you have agreed was born (not created) from a woman who was a vrigin, and so, who is Jesus' Father? Please do not evade the question.  Thank you. Love in Christ, Marty Jesus was born through Mary as a creation by God just as Eve was created through Adam. I hope you appreciate the comparison. Now would you say that God fathered Eve with Adam? Love in Christ Asana Bodhitharta Hi BD: That comparision is besides the point.  The question is does Jesus have a Father or not, and if so, who is his Father? Love in Christ, Marty I told you specifically that Jesus and Adam were CREATED so if you consider Adam the son of God so is Jesus but if you consider Adam a creation of God then so was Jesus. Jesus is called the SECOND ADAM but we know for a fact that Adam is not called Son of God until the NT so what was he considered from the beginning? A creation. GOD created MAN, GOD did not FATHER MAN. God is not a man and does not procreate children like a man, He does not need to have a mate or consort he could have formed Jesus just as easily out of the earth as he did with Adam. You call yourself a child of God and being a male that would make you a son of God, how could you be the son of God other than to be HIS servant?

No, BD:

The first man Adam was created by God that is true, but all of humanity other than Jesus, were born of Adam's seed. Jesus was not created, he was conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of the virgin Mary that is what the bible states.

The following verse is central to the salvation of humanity:

John 3:16-18 states: For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. He that believeth in him is not condemned, but he that does not believe is condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This is God intervening in the events of man in order to provide a means for mankind to be reconciled to him. It is an Act of love, and the virgin Mary agreed to be used by God in this way. And Joseph also when he understood God's purpose also agreed to this. There is no sexual intercourse involved.

You want to pick and choose what parts of the bible you want to quote. You have stated that you believe in the virgin birth. Yes, you have in the Quran that Jesus is the son of Mary, but you deny the Father and the Son
, and that according to 1 John is Anti-Christ.

I am a son of God because the blood of Jesus has washed away my sins, and I have been born again or raised from the dead (spiritual death) and been reconciled by God by His Holy Spirit. I am a son of God because God is the Father of my spirit, and I am obeying the commandments that have come from Him to humanity through His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.

There is no other way to be reconciled to God except through what He has done for Humanity in giving us our Lord and saviour, His Only Begotten Son and His Christ. May God open your eyes to the truth.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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