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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 18 2010,23:05)
If no one knows the son except the Father how can you claim to know the son? Perhaps the meaning is deeper than you understand.It says at the end of that verse (Matthew 11:27)” All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father;
nor does anyone know the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him”Quote Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.Matthew 6:10
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.Luke 3:38
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.“..Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”;the last Adam became a life-giving spirit..”(1 Corinthians 15:44)
Quote Can you show me where it says that Jesus was the Word? The Word was given to and placed in many, Jesus became the Word of God when God placed His Holy Spirit within Jesus
Jesus was the Word of God before he became a Man of the flesh.
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2010,06:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 19 2010,05:49) If someone wants to discuss then yes lets discuss
Hi Bod,You said, “Can you show me where it says that Jesus was the Word?”
This is how I read it:
1. In the beginning, the Word was with God.
2. The Word became flesh.Jesus, the Son of Man, also came from heaven and became flesh.
3. Jesus was given a name above all others – a name no one knows but him.
4.Jesus is the Lord of lords and King of kings.
5. The person in Rev in the white robe is the Lord of lords and King of kings, and also the Word.
Am I missing something? How is it that you think Jesus is not the Word?
peace and love,
mike
You still haven't shown that Jesus is the Word in the sense you are making it out to be. Jesus is the word of God as He is The Christ but look what Jesus says about this matter:John 10:34-36 (King James Version)
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Now if Jesus is the son of God and the Word is God then Jesus must be the Son of The Word because The Word is God and yet to those whom the Word came they were called God so what say you that those who were called God because the word came to them are not the same as Jesus being sanctified as Children of The Most High?
Quote (karmarie @ April 19 2010,12:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 18 2010,23:05)
If no one knows the son except the Father how can you claim to know the son? Perhaps the meaning is deeper than you understand.It says at the end of that verse (Matthew 11:27)” All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father;
nor does anyone know the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him”Quote Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.Matthew 6:10
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.Luke 3:38
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.“..Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”;the last Adam became a life-giving spirit..”(1 Corinthians 15:44)
Quote Can you show me where it says that Jesus was the Word? The Word was given to and placed in many, Jesus became the Word of God when God placed His Holy Spirit within Jesus
Jesus was the Word of God before he became a Man of the flesh.
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
The Last Adam therefore was not first in all things and was not therefore always a life giving spirit since the scripture clearly states:“..Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”;the last Adam became a life-giving spirit..”(1 Corinthians 15:44)
This is clear proof that Adam was not always a living being and that Jesus was not always a life-giving spirit if so the usage of the word “became” would be inappropriate so what say you, Now?
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 19 2010,07:49)
The Bible and The Quran are both from the same root.If you wish to refrain from the Quran so be it but the fact is the only point of either book is to look towards God.
What you call the Old Testament is not so to the Jews and they who are true Jews look towards God although they await their Messiah
Christians are taught by Jesus to look towards God the Jewish Messiah and light to the gentiles
The Muslims Worship God and Jesus is a light to them
There is no problem with the ways of God and His dealing with His creation there simply underdeveloped and developed understandings of these things.
Ok so you say but how come it says:
” Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son…”(1 John 2:22)
Quote I understand where I am with these things and if you understand where you are with these things then great. Ok then, Great.
Quote If someone wants to discuss then yes lets discuss but to assume to take the role of a teacher you would also have to assume that someone is willing to take the role of a student and I assume no such role except by the Will of God. I dont assume to be a teacher! You are the teacher (didnt you say?) im just trying to show you somethings thats all. I wish you could see it.
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 19 2010,12:56) Quote (karmarie @ April 19 2010,12:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 18 2010,23:05)
If no one knows the son except the Father how can you claim to know the son? Perhaps the meaning is deeper than you understand.It says at the end of that verse (Matthew 11:27)” All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father;
nor does anyone know the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him”Quote Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.Matthew 6:10
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.Luke 3:38
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.“..Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”;the last Adam became a life-giving spirit..”(1 Corinthians 15:44)
Quote Can you show me where it says that Jesus was the Word? The Word was given to and placed in many, Jesus became the Word of God when God placed His Holy Spirit within Jesus
Jesus was the Word of God before he became a Man of the flesh.
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
The Last Adam therefore was not first in all things and was not therefore always a life giving spirit since the scripture clearly states:“..Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”;the last Adam became a life-giving spirit..”(1 Corinthians 15:44)
This is clear proof that Adam was not always a living being and that Jesus was not always a life-giving spirit if so the usage of the word “became” would be inappropriate so what say you, Now?
Hi BD,
The Son of God became a life giving Spirit at the Jordan.
That is when he was given to share in God's Spirit.
By God's plan he is the appointed source for men.It is not possible to access this life through your false prophet.
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 19 2010,14:56)
The Last Adam therefore was not first in all things and was not therefore always a life giving spirit since the scripture clearly states:“..Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”;the last Adam became a life-giving spirit..”(1 Corinthians 15:44)
This is clear proof that Adam was not always a living being and that Jesus was not always a life-giving spirit if so the usage of the word “became” would be inappropriate so what say you, Now?
1st Corinthians 15:45
Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.
The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.
As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.
Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.Like Nick said False Prophet Bod, It must be true as people were warned to avoid Him who denies the Father AND THE SON ..(God has NO SON according to the Quran)….dont be decieved….if im wrong about it then I will be judged by that but we were given the Gospels to believe which clearly say the truth? and what do you say? “But the Quran says something else?… you were shown the Gospels first which said God had a Son, and that Son was crucified for your sins, yet you believed something else.(Why? because you chose to?) or because Islam felt better? Things can be a trick, you may have fallen for it but I pray you see some sense. And when you do, you use your gifts in the right way.
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 16 2010,16:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 18 2010,09:07) Until you give praise to all of God's anointed you are lost
Asana Asana Asana=108
worship=108praise be to asana bodhitharta =252
there but for the grace of god= 252Do you understand any of this?
Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou (Asana) shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou (Asana Bodhitharta) eatest thereof thou shalt surely die..
Quote (karmarie @ April 19 2010,13:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 19 2010,07:49)
The Bible and The Quran are both from the same root.If you wish to refrain from the Quran so be it but the fact is the only point of either book is to look towards God.
What you call the Old Testament is not so to the Jews and they who are true Jews look towards God although they await their Messiah
Christians are taught by Jesus to look towards God the Jewish Messiah and light to the gentiles
The Muslims Worship God and Jesus is a light to them
There is no problem with the ways of God and His dealing with His creation there simply underdeveloped and developed understandings of these things.
Ok so you say but how come it says:
” Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son…”(1 John 2:22)
Quote I understand where I am with these things and if you understand where you are with these things then great. Ok then, Great.
Quote If someone wants to discuss then yes lets discuss but to assume to take the role of a teacher you would also have to assume that someone is willing to take the role of a student and I assume no such role except by the Will of God. I dont assume to be a teacher! You are the teacher (didnt you say?) im just trying to show you somethings thats all. I wish you could see it.
Who has denied that Jesus is The Christ?Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2010,13:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 19 2010,12:56) Quote (karmarie @ April 19 2010,12:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 18 2010,23:05)
If no one knows the son except the Father how can you claim to know the son? Perhaps the meaning is deeper than you understand.It says at the end of that verse (Matthew 11:27)” All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father;
nor does anyone know the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him”Quote Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.Matthew 6:10
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.Luke 3:38
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.“..Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”;the last Adam became a life-giving spirit..”(1 Corinthians 15:44)
Quote Can you show me where it says that Jesus was the Word? The Word was given to and placed in many, Jesus became the Word of God when God placed His Holy Spirit within Jesus
Jesus was the Word of God before he became a Man of the flesh.
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
The Last Adam therefore was not first in all things and was not therefore always a life giving spirit since the scripture clearly states:“..Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”;the last Adam became a life-giving spirit..”(1 Corinthians 15:44)
This is clear proof that Adam was not always a living being and that Jesus was not always a life-giving spirit if so the usage of the word “became” would be inappropriate so what say you, Now?
Hi BD,
The Son of God became a life giving Spirit at the Jordan.
That is when he was given to share in God's Spirit.
By God's plan he is the appointed source for men.It is not possible to access this life through your false prophet.
So he was not always a life-giving spirit, right?Quote (karmarie @ April 19 2010,20:47) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 19 2010,14:56)
The Last Adam therefore was not first in all things and was not therefore always a life giving spirit since the scripture clearly states:“..Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”;the last Adam became a life-giving spirit..”(1 Corinthians 15:44)
This is clear proof that Adam was not always a living being and that Jesus was not always a life-giving spirit if so the usage of the word “became” would be inappropriate so what say you, Now?
1st Corinthians 15:45
Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.
The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.
As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.
Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.
Who are those of heaven? Do you understand what that means? Being born from aboveQuote (karmarie @ April 19 2010,20:54) Like Nick said False Prophet Bod, It must be true as people were warned to avoid Him who denies the Father AND THE SON ..(God has NO SON according to the Quran)….dont be decieved….if im wrong about it then I will be judged by that but we were given the Gospels to believe which clearly say the truth? and what do you say? “But the Quran says something else?… you were shown the Gospels first which said God had a Son, and that Son was crucified for your sins, yet you believed something else.(Why? because you chose to?) or because Islam felt better? Things can be a trick, you may have fallen for it but I pray you see some sense. And when you do, you use your gifts in the right way.
You don't believe that ADAM is the son of God although the scriptures say it. In Genesis however God did not say that ADAM was His son, did HE?If Jesus is the second Adam he can be no more a son than Adam can be because if he is the second Adam he is also a son after Adam
What does “Son of God” mean in the first place? No legitimate Christian sect suggests that God took a wife and had a child, and most certainly none conceive that God fathered a child through a human mother outside of marriage. Furthermore, to suggest that God physically mated with an element of His creation is so far beyond the limits of religious tolerance as to plummet down the sheer cliff of blasphemy, chasing the mythology of the Greeks.
With no rational explanation available within the tenets of Christian doctrine, the only avenue for closure is to claim yet one more doctrinal mystery. Here is where the Muslim recalls the question posed in the Quran:
“…How can He have a son when He has no consort?…” (Quran 6:101)
Quote (karmarie @ April 20 2010,23:46) I cant answer you. Whatever I try to say wont matter. Cause your Quran says something different?
“…How can He have a son when He has no consort?…” (Quran 6:101)Why is it you have no answer for that?
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 20 2010,14:33) What does “Son of God” mean in the first place? No legitimate Christian sect suggests that God took a wife and had a child, and most certainly none conceive that God fathered a child through a human mother outside of marriage. Furthermore, to suggest that God physically mated with an element of His creation is so far beyond the limits of religious tolerance as to plummet down the sheer cliff of blasphemy, chasing the mythology of the Greeks. With no rational explanation available within the tenets of Christian doctrine, the only avenue for closure is to claim yet one more doctrinal mystery. Here is where the Muslim recalls the question posed in the Quran:
“…How can He have a son when He has no consort?…” (Quran 6:101)
Hi BD:Do Muslims believe that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary?
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ April 21 2010,05:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 20 2010,14:33) What does “Son of God” mean in the first place? No legitimate Christian sect suggests that God took a wife and had a child, and most certainly none conceive that God fathered a child through a human mother outside of marriage. Furthermore, to suggest that God physically mated with an element of His creation is so far beyond the limits of religious tolerance as to plummet down the sheer cliff of blasphemy, chasing the mythology of the Greeks. With no rational explanation available within the tenets of Christian doctrine, the only avenue for closure is to claim yet one more doctrinal mystery. Here is where the Muslim recalls the question posed in the Quran:
“…How can He have a son when He has no consort?…” (Quran 6:101)
Hi BD:Do Muslims believe that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Yes!
Here is the account:
Surah 3
45 Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
46 “He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous.”
47 She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
48 “And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,
49 “And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): “'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
50 “'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.
51 “'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'”
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