The Trinity Doctrine

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Quote (karmarie @ April 06 2010,19:47)

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Hi Bod.

[quote=bodhitharta,April 05 2010,16:53]
The lake of fire is for what torment or anihilation?

anihalation

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If death was thrown into the lake of fire before those who were sent there wouldn't that mean that they can not die?

No. It is meaning the first Death and Hades were thrown in there everything after that is the second death.

It doesn't say the first death was thrown in the fire, it says that “death” was thrown into the lake of fire. You interpret “death” as “First death”? On what grounds?

Hi Bod.

Eternal Death cant mean eternal life can it?
Theres 3 Words used in Revelations 20;…. Death, Life and for both; Eternal.

“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord..(Romans 6:23)

Rev 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them,
and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire”

If they were judged according to what they had done and they were already previously dead are they being resurrected simply to be put back to death?

And do you not understand that death for a Human is to live without a body.

The story that Jesus spoke of about the rich man and Lazarus spoke of two dead men conversing one in paradise and the other in torment. In the Bible do you receall when King Saul brought the prophet samuel up to speak to him? he was also dead and even you claim that Jesus went down to hell and preached during the 3 days of his death.

The ressurrection is physical Karmarie and those written in the book of life will be given a new body and live in paradise. But the dead will not be more dead than Lazarus or the rich man were or samuel or Jesus.

Now this should settle it once and for all:

Revelation 20:7-11 (King James Version)

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Now you see it says that all those with Satan and satan will be tormented day and night and we also know that they will be in the lake of fire.

Is there any way that you can reinterpret “Tormented day and night” I don't think there's anyway to get out of this one Karmarie because it's just like Jesus said it would be.

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 14:10-12

Now you know the TRUTH=87 The whole truth= 183

and the numbers above are just numbers.

God Bless.

By the way do you still see everyday Jesus on the cross bleeding? I see Jesus “ALIVE”

April 7, 2010 at 12:52 am#186197

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 07 2010,07:17)

If they were judged according to what they had done and they were already previously dead are they being resurrected simply to be put back to death?

And do you not understand that death for a Human is to live without a body.

Well I dont completly disagree with that nor do I disagree with punishment but for a time then comes either eternal life or eternal death. Not the rubbish which is in the Quran.
God is Love and Just and fair not some evil monster who demands love! We are judged by what we do to others.
So if some poor child is abused for years with no-one to help, then murdered, and the criminal gets away with it scott free, “Vengeance is mine saith the Lord”
How many people cry out for Justice? But theres a limit to punishment. The Bible makes this clear.

God gave us free will. Did God want a whole lot of preprogrammed Robots? He desires people to seek Him out and love Him from their own free will, because He first loved us.
I could force my children to Love me out of Fear, but thats not Love, thats fear. If I lived with a Man who did likewise, thats not love! Id be secretly hating Him.
Likewise, doing something for the hope of a reward is not true Love if thats the only motive.

Love is patient love is kind
God is love

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Now this should settle it once and for all:

Revelation 20:7-11 (King James Version)

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Now you see it says that all those with Satan and satan will be tormented day and night and we also know that they will be in the lake of fire.

Is there any way that you can reinterpret “Tormented day and night” I don't think there's anyway to get out of this one Karmarie because it's just like Jesus said it would be.

The book of Revelation is written with symbols which represent other meanings, and you need to read it spiritually to understand it.
Read it (Revelations 14:12) in context: with the chapters before and after. Where are they? They arent dead but are alive on the earth. Notice also the day and night.

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Now you know the TRUTH=87 The whole truth= 183

and the numbers above are just numbers.

God Bless.

By the way do you still see everyday Jesus on the cross bleeding? I see Jesus “ALIVE”

I dreamt of a number 119. When I looked it up on an online calculator it was in Jewish Gematria= Lion,.. and in English= Tribe of Judah and Redemption.

Revelations 5:5
“Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders.
He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
He came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.
And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb.
Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song:

“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased men for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation.

That is the truth the whole truth.
Why do you reject that? You would rather follow a Man?

April 7, 2010 at 4:09 am#186206

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Quote (karmarie @ April 07 2010,12:52)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 07 2010,07:17)

If they were judged according to what they had done and they were already previously dead are they being resurrected simply to be put back to death?

And do you not understand that death for a Human is to live without a body.

Love is patient love is kind
God is love

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Now this should settle it once and for all:

Revelation 20:7-11 (King James Version)

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Now you see it says that all those with Satan and satan will be tormented day and night and we also know that they will be in the lake of fire.

Is there any way that you can reinterpret “Tormented day and night” I don't think there's anyway to get out of this one Karmarie because it's just like Jesus said it would be.

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Now you know the TRUTH=87 The whole truth= 183

and the numbers above are just numbers.

God Bless.

By the way do you still see everyday Jesus on the cross bleeding? I see Jesus “ALIVE”

I dreamt of a number 119. When I looked it up on an online calculator it was in Jewish Gematria= Lion,.. and in English= Tribe of Judah and Redemption.

“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased men for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation.

That is the truth the whole truth.
Why do you reject that? You would rather follow a Man?

Did you never even ask your self why in the scripture you provided it never says that Jesus is that Lamb?

Do you simply assume it was Jesus? Even if you did LOOK:

“Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if”

You called the Quran rubbish which for sure let's me know that you have been mislead for why would you call the Quran rubbish when the HOLY BIBLE says the same thing and I gave you the scriptures but now you say.

Love is not demanded? Isn't Love Commanded? Isn't it the scripture that says that if we do not love we are not of God?

You are seriously confused God did not give us free will, do you understand what “FREE” means? If we had a free will we could sin without penalty but the wages of SIN ARE DEATH so what is so free about it?

Do you really believe that you were created to do whatever you want to do? Is evil really equal to good?

119= studying, please do so, you have fallen in serious error and you know I love you and don't wish to see you in such a confused state flailing about in every direction

April 7, 2010 at 10:07 am#186226

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 07 2010,07:17)

Did you never even ask your self why in the scripture you provided it never says that Jesus is that Lamb?

Do you simply assume it was Jesus? Even if you did LOOK:

“Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if”

“The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!..(John 1;29)

The next day again John was standing with two of his disciples, and he looked at Jesus as he walked by and said,
“Behold, the Lamb of God!” The two disciples heard him say this, and they followed Jesus…(John 1;36)

“Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter
and like a lamb before its shearer is silent,
so he opens not his mouth.
In his humiliation justice was denied him.
Who can describe his generation?
For his life is taken away from the earth.”
And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?”
Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus…(Acts 8;32)

“For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed..(1st Corinthians 5;7)

“…but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect…(1 Peter 1:19)

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“…They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne
and from the wrath of the Lamb!..(Revelation 6;16)

“…After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count,
from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb.
They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands..(.Revelation 7:9)

And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb…(“Revelation 7:10)

And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation;
they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them…(Revelation 7:14)

For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water.
And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”..(Revelation 7:16-17)

They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death….(Revelation 12:10)

All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life
belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world…(Rev 13;8)

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You called the Quran rubbish which for sure let's me know that you have been mislead for why would you call the Quran rubbish when the HOLY BIBLE says the same thing

It doesnt say the same thing.

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I gave you the scriptures but now you say.

Love is not demanded? Isn't Love Commanded? Isn't it the scripture that says that if we do not love we are not of God?

Do you really believe that you were created to do whatever you want to do? Is evil really equal to good?

If we know God loved us, and We love God all we want to do is to please Him.
If we know Sin is wrong in Gods eyes and do Sin, then we become distant to God. And alone. So its a thing which is learnt.
How strong is our faith? Do we really believe? If we truely believe and love Him with all our hearts, even if we had to suffer death to show it we would.

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119= studying, please do so, you have fallen in serious error and you know I love you and don't wish to see you in such a confused state flailing about in every direction

You know I love you too Bod you need to see these things.

April 7, 2010 at 4:43 pm#186242

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Quote (karmarie @ April 07 2010,22:07)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 07 2010,07:17)

Did you never even ask your self why in the scripture you provided it never says that Jesus is that Lamb?

Do you simply assume it was Jesus? Even if you did LOOK:

“Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if”

“The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!..(John 1;29)

“For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed..(1st Corinthians 5;7)

“…but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect…(1 Peter 1:19)

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“…They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne
and from the wrath of the Lamb!..(Revelation 6;16)

And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb…(“Revelation 7:10)

For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water.
And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”..(Revelation 7:16-17)

They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death….(Revelation 12:10)

All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life
belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world…(Rev 13;8)

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You called the Quran rubbish which for sure let's me know that you have been mislead for why would you call the Quran rubbish when the HOLY BIBLE says the same thing

It doesnt say the same thing.

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I gave you the scriptures but now you say.

Love is not demanded? Isn't Love Commanded? Isn't it the scripture that says that if we do not love we are not of God?

Do you really believe that you were created to do whatever you want to do? Is evil really equal to good?

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119= studying, please do so, you have fallen in serious error and you know I love you and don't wish to see you in such a confused state flailing about in every direction

You know I love you too Bod you need to see these things.

You misunderstand what I am saying I said all these references in revelation that say the “lamb” is assumed to be Jesus.

But I was like a lamb or an ox that is brought to the slaughter; and I knew not that they had devised devices against me, saying, Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof, and let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name may be no more remembered.
Jeremiah 11:18-20

You see verses like that are not always referring to Jesus.

Now see the true LAW of GOD:

Every thing that openeth the matrix in all flesh, which they bring unto the LORD, whether it be of men or beasts, shall be thine: nevertheless the firstborn of man shalt thou surely redeem, and the firstling of unclean beasts shalt thou redeem.
Numbers 18:14-16

Exodus 34:20 (King James Version)

20But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

Mary was a virgin and Jesus was her first born and you said that Jesus was the first creation of God and therefore he cannot sacrificed and must be redeemed with a substitute.

This is the Law of God

April 8, 2010 at 12:12 am#186288

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 08 2010,06:43)

Quote (karmarie @ April 07 2010,22:07)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 07 2010,07:17)

Did you never even ask your self why in the scripture you provided it never says that Jesus is that Lamb?

Do you simply assume it was Jesus? Even if you did LOOK:

“Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if”

“The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!..(John 1;29)

“For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed..(1st Corinthians 5;7)

“…but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect…(1 Peter 1:19)

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“…They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne
and from the wrath of the Lamb!..(Revelation 6;16)

And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb…(“Revelation 7:10)

For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water.
And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”..(Revelation 7:16-17)

They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death….(Revelation 12:10)

All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life
belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world…(Rev 13;8)

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You called the Quran rubbish which for sure let's me know that you have been mislead for why would you call the Quran rubbish when the HOLY BIBLE says the same thing

It doesnt say the same thing.

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I gave you the scriptures but now you say.

Love is not demanded? Isn't Love Commanded? Isn't it the scripture that says that if we do not love we are not of God?

Do you really believe that you were created to do whatever you want to do? Is evil really equal to good?

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119= studying, please do so, you have fallen in serious error and you know I love you and don't wish to see you in such a confused state flailing about in every direction

You know I love you too Bod you need to see these things.

You misunderstand what I am saying I said all these references in revelation that say the “lamb” is assumed to be Jesus.

You see verses like that are not always referring to Jesus.

Now see the true LAW of GOD:

Exodus 34:20 (King James Version)

Mary was a virgin and Jesus was her first born and you said that Jesus was the first creation of God and therefore he cannot sacrificed and must be redeemed with a substitute.

This is the Law of God

God ways are higher than ours. You should put aside the Quran and just read the Bible.
I pray that you will see sense. I cant reply for about a week, I have something to do. Ok.

April 8, 2010 at 12:25 pm#186331

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Quote (karmarie @ April 08 2010,12:12)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 08 2010,06:43)

Quote (karmarie @ April 07 2010,22:07)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 07 2010,07:17)

Did you never even ask your self why in the scripture you provided it never says that Jesus is that Lamb?

Do you simply assume it was Jesus? Even if you did LOOK:

“Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if”

“The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!..(John 1;29)

“For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed..(1st Corinthians 5;7)

“…but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect…(1 Peter 1:19)

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“…They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne
and from the wrath of the Lamb!..(Revelation 6;16)

And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb…(“Revelation 7:10)

For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water.
And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”..(Revelation 7:16-17)

They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death….(Revelation 12:10)

All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life
belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world…(Rev 13;8)

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You called the Quran rubbish which for sure let's me know that you have been mislead for why would you call the Quran rubbish when the HOLY BIBLE says the same thing

It doesnt say the same thing.

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I gave you the scriptures but now you say.

Love is not demanded? Isn't Love Commanded? Isn't it the scripture that says that if we do not love we are not of God?

Do you really believe that you were created to do whatever you want to do? Is evil really equal to good?

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119= studying, please do so, you have fallen in serious error and you know I love you and don't wish to see you in such a confused state flailing about in every direction

You know I love you too Bod you need to see these things.

You misunderstand what I am saying I said all these references in revelation that say the “lamb” is assumed to be Jesus.

You see verses like that are not always referring to Jesus.

Now see the true LAW of GOD:

Exodus 34:20 (King James Version)

Mary was a virgin and Jesus was her first born and you said that Jesus was the first creation of God and therefore he cannot sacrificed and must be redeemed with a substitute.

This is the Law of God

God ways are higher than ours. You should put aside the Quran and just read the Bible.
I pray that you will see sense. I cant reply for about a week, I have something to do. Ok.

Talk about amazing! You wrote:

“God ways are higher than ours.”

All day God had me thinking to tell you that same thing but He wanted me to ask you that if you really believe that then why can you not believe what the Quran says to be true?

April 8, 2010 at 10:46 pm#186400

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 09 2010,00:25)

Quote (karmarie @ April 08 2010,12:12)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 08 2010,06:43)

Quote (karmarie @ April 07 2010,22:07)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 07 2010,07:17)

Did you never even ask your self why in the scripture you provided it never says that Jesus is that Lamb?

Do you simply assume it was Jesus? Even if you did LOOK:

“Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if”

“The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!..(John 1;29)

“For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed..(1st Corinthians 5;7)

“…but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect…(1 Peter 1:19)

===============

“…They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne
and from the wrath of the Lamb!..(Revelation 6;16)

And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb…(“Revelation 7:10)

For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water.
And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”..(Revelation 7:16-17)

They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death….(Revelation 12:10)

All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life
belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world…(Rev 13;8)

Quote

You called the Quran rubbish which for sure let's me know that you have been mislead for why would you call the Quran rubbish when the HOLY BIBLE says the same thing

It doesnt say the same thing.

Quote

I gave you the scriptures but now you say.

Love is not demanded? Isn't Love Commanded? Isn't it the scripture that says that if we do not love we are not of God?

Do you really believe that you were created to do whatever you want to do? Is evil really equal to good?

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119= studying, please do so, you have fallen in serious error and you know I love you and don't wish to see you in such a confused state flailing about in every direction

You know I love you too Bod you need to see these things.

You misunderstand what I am saying I said all these references in revelation that say the “lamb” is assumed to be Jesus.

You see verses like that are not always referring to Jesus.

Now see the true LAW of GOD:

Exodus 34:20 (King James Version)

Mary was a virgin and Jesus was her first born and you said that Jesus was the first creation of God and therefore he cannot sacrificed and must be redeemed with a substitute.

This is the Law of God

God ways are higher than ours. You should put aside the Quran and just read the Bible.
I pray that you will see sense. I cant reply for about a week, I have something to do. Ok.

Talk about amazing! You wrote:

“God ways are higher than ours.”

All day God had me thinking to tell you that same thing but He wanted me to ask you that if you really believe that then why can you not believe what the Quran says to be true?

Hi BD,

The 'quran' has caused you to reject “The Passover”(Gospel); how thin is it helpful?

Ed J

April 9, 2010 at 2:50 am#186453

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Quote (Ed J @ April 09 2010,10:46)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 09 2010,00:25)

Quote (karmarie @ April 08 2010,12:12)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 08 2010,06:43)

Quote (karmarie @ April 07 2010,22:07)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 07 2010,07:17)

Did you never even ask your self why in the scripture you provided it never says that Jesus is that Lamb?

Do you simply assume it was Jesus? Even if you did LOOK:

“Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if”

“The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!..(John 1;29)

“For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed..(1st Corinthians 5;7)

“…but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect…(1 Peter 1:19)

===============

“…They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne
and from the wrath of the Lamb!..(Revelation 6;16)

And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb…(“Revelation 7:10)

For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water.
And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”..(Revelation 7:16-17)

They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death….(Revelation 12:10)

All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life
belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world…(Rev 13;8)

Quote

You called the Quran rubbish which for sure let's me know that you have been mislead for why would you call the Quran rubbish when the HOLY BIBLE says the same thing

It doesnt say the same thing.

Quote

I gave you the scriptures but now you say.

Love is not demanded? Isn't Love Commanded? Isn't it the scripture that says that if we do not love we are not of God?

Do you really believe that you were created to do whatever you want to do? Is evil really equal to good?

Quote

119= studying, please do so, you have fallen in serious error and you know I love you and don't wish to see you in such a confused state flailing about in every direction

You know I love you too Bod you need to see these things.

You misunderstand what I am saying I said all these references in revelation that say the “lamb” is assumed to be Jesus.

You see verses like that are not always referring to Jesus.

Now see the true LAW of GOD:

Exodus 34:20 (King James Version)

Mary was a virgin and Jesus was her first born and you said that Jesus was the first creation of God and therefore he cannot sacrificed and must be redeemed with a substitute.

This is the Law of God

God ways are higher than ours. You should put aside the Quran and just read the Bible.
I pray that you will see sense. I cant reply for about a week, I have something to do. Ok.

Talk about amazing! You wrote:

“God ways are higher than ours.”

All day God had me thinking to tell you that same thing but He wanted me to ask you that if you really believe that then why can you not believe what the Quran says to be true?

Hi BD,

The 'quran' has caused you to reject “The Passover”(Gospel); how thin is it helpful?

Ed J

Do you remember the passover? Was it not to protect the firstborn? Yet you eagerly put the first born to the stake?

April 9, 2010 at 2:54 am#186454

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Think about it your entire religion is based upon the belief that someone died for you so that you can live, it is the ultimate vain and selfish religion. Whereas, I know that God does not punish the innocent to pay for the guilty if that were true then Satan himself is saved above all. Do you also accept that?

April 10, 2010 at 7:09 pm#186646

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 09 2010,14:54)

Hi BD,

It's a shame you put the 'book of fraud' above “The Bible”.

Ed J

April 10, 2010 at 7:11 pm#186647

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Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2010,12:49)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 02 2010,04:49)

Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2010,05:28)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2010,19:32)

If I were to guess it is probably like 80% in favour of the Anti-Trinitarians and 20% Trinitarian and that is being gracious.

Do bridges take sides? Or do they touch both sides?

So now “almighty mediator” between the opposing views…

Hi WJ,

Bridges allow for travel to both sides!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

For you it seems that there is only one side, “YOUR SIDE”.

Hi WJ,

1Cor.12:14-18 For the body is not one member, but many. ('you' determine who is part of the body?)
If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased [יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm].

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Bump for WJ

April 10, 2010 at 7:16 pm#186648

Worshipping Jesus

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2010,20:49)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 02 2010,04:49)

Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2010,05:28)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2010,19:32)

If I were to guess it is probably like 80% in favour of the Anti-Trinitarians and 20% Trinitarian and that is being gracious.

Do bridges take sides? Or do they touch both sides?

So now “almighty mediator” between the opposing views…

Hi WJ,

Bridges allow for travel to both sides!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

For you it seems that there is only one side, “YOUR SIDE”.

Hi WJ,

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

No, Do you?

April 11, 2010 at 6:58 am#186697

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Quote (Ed J @ April 11 2010,07:09)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 09 2010,14:54)

Hi BD,

It's a shame you put the 'book of fraud' above “The Bible”.

Ed J

I don't know what the “book of fraud” is, is that your e-book that you have available?

When did you change the name to “book of fraud”?

What point are you trying to make by calling your book “book of fraud”?

April 12, 2010 at 12:23 am#186742

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Hey Bod

Yeah I agree I have fallen quite a bit in some ways and I couldnt see it. But its got nothing to do with what I believe in. Its other things which I somehow need to change.

I was looking back on older threads, in the days when you could post with believers, things were so different back then (example go back to the start of this thread). See how putting up walls and causing divisions changes things!

There was an opportunity for others to teach you and guide you. But look at it all now.. How can you learn when you cant even ask questions? Or if you do, only a few answer?
Did God intend it to be like that? I dont think so.

April 12, 2010 at 12:32 am#186743

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You should leave Ed alone, whats He done? He calls the Quran a book of fraud, alot of people do. It does have things in it which completly go against what the Bible says about the Son of God

“..everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven, but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven”……(Matthew 10;32)…….“Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me. The one who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and the one who receives a righteous person because he is a righteous person will receive a righteous person’s reward. And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.”

April 12, 2010 at 4:39 am#186776

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Quote (karmarie @ April 12 2010,12:23)

Hey Bod

Yeah I agree I have fallen quite a bit in some ways and I couldnt see it. But its got nothing to do with what I believe in. Its other things which I somehow need to change.

There is nothing anyone can teach me here, I am the teacher but most will resist, haven't you resistd?

April 12, 2010 at 4:44 am#186778

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Quote (karmarie @ April 12 2010,12:32)

You should leave Ed alone, whats He done? He calls the Quran a book of fraud, alot of people do. It does have things in it which completly go against what the Bible says about the Son of God

The Quran does not reject Christ it upholds Christ it is those who make Jesus God that are anti-christ!

Anyone who lies about the Quran is lying about the truth of God and His Holy Angels and His Holy Servants. Ed is a false witness so if you wish be punished along side of this false witness.

I realize now that you may be one of those lost shep that despite how hard it is to bring you into the fold you may not make it. I desperately want you to make it but you may not be determined to see the truth.

April 12, 2010 at 4:57 am#186780

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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 12 2010,16:44)

Ed is a false witness

John 15:18-21 If the world(A.K.A. BD) hate you(Ed J), ye know that it hated me(יהשוע) before it hated you(Ed J).
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye(Ed J) are not of the world,
but I(יהשוע) have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you(Ed J). Remember
the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me(יהשוע),
they(BD and the like) will also persecute you(Ed J); if they have kept my(יהשוע) saying, they will keep yours(Ed J) also.
But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him(יהוה) that sent me(יהשוע).
.

April 12, 2010 at 7:50 am#186793