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Quote (bodhitharta @ April 05 2010,08:45) Quote (karmarie @ April 04 2010,20:50) JA and Bod, leave Him alone! Some of the most interesting people iv met here were different:) You get the preachers up in believers who repeat the same arguement over and over, too perfect too boring. Totally. Did you not know Jesus was an anarchist?
Jesus was not an Anarchist, Jesus said:And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Matthew 6:12-14Who is misleading you or who have you been speaking to lately where you seem to be slipping backwards?
God Bless!
Bod im not falling backwards! Im just seeing more truth thats all.I got the word Anarchy from a good book I once read: Christi Anarchy, By Dave Andrews:
Quote (JustAskin @ April 05 2010,08:58) Bod,
I feel that I see a cheeky smirk in Kar's post. At least I really hope that was what I feel because I would have liked to commend her.
Thanks JA:)Quote (bodhitharta @ April 04 2010,20:18) Quote (karmarie @ April 04 2010,17:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 04 2010,16:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 04 2010,11:11)
How is it that Hell has any less sting whether it means to be alive in torment forever or to be destroyed forever, either way there is a final result for a final action.Theres a big difference in eternal concious torment and death. Do you really think God enjoys seeing people suffer forever? Or at all? Really think about it. The penalty of Sin was death, God was grieved that He made Man so DESTROYED them in the flood. God cant be some Monster who gets satisfaction in torturing people forever? You just have to look at life to see how much patience He has. The Bible says God is Love and God does not stay angry forever. Where did we get our Love and compassion from? We were made in Gods image and likeness.
Quote Also if you believe that Jesus paid the price for sin you can also see he is not subject to either of these things.
Exactly.
You seem to think that nonexistence is somehow not tormenting. Just because a person doesn't “feel” something does not mean there is no torment in the fact that it is denied life in any form if what you say is true then it is perfectly fine for a woman to have an abortion by the claim that it is much more compassionate than letting a child grow up in a world of Conscious pain. You seem to really believe that Anihilation is sympathetic.Also how is it that God would be torturing anyone forever when it would be the person that caused his own suffering and not God..
You seem to take away the Judgement of God if the punishment you suggest is correct then every Atheist would be correct to say it doesn't matter what you do or what you believe because when you die you simply “Die forever”
Also once again you say Jesus paid the “Price” for you so why is he both not in Hell and not dead in anyway, was that going to be your punishment before accepting him? Were you supposed to simply die a few days for your sin?
The fact is repentance is what God wants as this is what is written in and all through the entire text of the Bible. So if a person does not repent and believe in the ways of God Almighty will they not be turned over to Satan? Will they not be punished.
Why does God talk about His wrath and punishment at all if they do not exist?
Hi BD,Why do you suggest punishment doesn't exist to further suggest that it never ends?
Zech.3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan;
even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee:
is not this a (Christian) brand plucked out of the fire?Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2010,21:05) Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 02 2010,20:17) Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2010,14:05) PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!
Actually the centre is Ps 118:8, if you're going by chapters and using the KJV or NKJV…..
Hi Is1:18,“YHVH is GOD”=117
The number 117 shows much significance in English Gematria, as it relates to the Bible and God’s Hebrew name and title.
GOD’s Name (יהוה) transliterates directly into English as YHVH.
The Gematria total of “GOD the Father” matches precisely with the Hebrew Gematria of
“יהוה האלהים” (Jehovah God); which is 117. Furthermore “YHVH is GOD” totals 117 as well!The Center Chapter in the Bible just so happens to be Psalm 117 (Psalms is the largest book);
since there are exactly 1189 chapters in the entire bible that would make Psalm117
(the smallest chapter) the center, because there are 594 chapters before and 594 after.
What similarity can we draw from this? Well how about… From small to large,
GOD is at the center of all truth even unto the smallest of particles yet larger
than our mortal minds can fully comprehend.Some may say these facts are all mere coincidence, but my research suggests that it is by design.
As a matter of fact the Hebrew language has no word for coincidence; and because of this they
don’t believe there is such a thing, only divine intervention.“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I've had a closer look at this (okay I just googled it and read the first half a dozen web pages or so…). It seems that in the KJV if you go by chapters the centre is Ps 117 (though there is some disagreement) but if you use verses then the centre is Ps 118:8-9. I'm not inclined to count them out personally so I'm happy either way.Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 05 2010,14:42) Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2010,21:05) Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 02 2010,20:17) Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2010,14:05) PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!
Actually the centre is Ps 118:8, if you're going by chapters and using the KJV or NKJV…..
Hi Is1:18,“YHVH is GOD”=117
The number 117 shows much significance in English Gematria, as it relates to the Bible and God’s Hebrew name and title.
GOD’s Name (יהוה) transliterates directly into English as YHVH.
The Gematria total of “GOD the Father” matches precisely with the Hebrew Gematria of
“יהוה האלהים” (Jehovah God); which is 117. Furthermore “YHVH is GOD” totals 117 as well!The Center Chapter in the Bible just so happens to be Psalm 117 (Psalms is the largest book);
since there are exactly 1189 chapters in the entire bible that would make Psalm117
(the smallest chapter) the center, because there are 594 chapters before and 594 after.
What similarity can we draw from this? Well how about… From small to large,
GOD is at the center of all truth even unto the smallest of particles yet larger
than our mortal minds can fully comprehend.Some may say these facts are all mere coincidence, but my research suggests that it is by design.
As a matter of fact the Hebrew language has no word for coincidence; and because of this they
don’t believe there is such a thing, only divine intervention.“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I've had a closer look at this (okay I just googled it and read the first half a dozen web pages or so…). It seems that in the KJV if you go by chapters the centre is Ps 117 (though there is some disagreement) but if you use verses then the centre is Ps 118:8-9. I'm not inclined to count them out personally so I'm happy either way.
Hi Paul,Read my last post on the previous page, I show how you can check me out(Psalm 103:1-2).
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ April 05 2010,09:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 04 2010,20:18) Quote (karmarie @ April 04 2010,17:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 04 2010,16:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 04 2010,11:11)
How is it that Hell has any less sting whether it means to be alive in torment forever or to be destroyed forever, either way there is a final result for a final action.Theres a big difference in eternal concious torment and death. Do you really think God enjoys seeing people suffer forever? Or at all? Really think about it. The penalty of Sin was death, God was grieved that He made Man so DESTROYED them in the flood. God cant be some Monster who gets satisfaction in torturing people forever? You just have to look at life to see how much patience He has. The Bible says God is Love and God does not stay angry forever. Where did we get our Love and compassion from? We were made in Gods image and likeness.
Quote Also if you believe that Jesus paid the price for sin you can also see he is not subject to either of these things.
Exactly.
You seem to think that nonexistence is somehow not tormenting. Just because a person doesn't “feel” something does not mean there is no torment in the fact that it is denied life in any form if what you say is true then it is perfectly fine for a woman to have an abortion by the claim that it is much more compassionate than letting a child grow up in a world of Conscious pain. You seem to really believe that Anihilation is sympathetic.Also how is it that God would be torturing anyone forever when it would be the person that caused his own suffering and not God..
You seem to take away the Judgement of God if the punishment you suggest is correct then every Atheist would be correct to say it doesn't matter what you do or what you believe because when you die you simply “Die forever”
Also once again you say Jesus paid the “Price” for you so why is he both not in Hell and not dead in anyway, was that going to be your punishment before accepting him? Were you supposed to simply die a few days for your sin?
The fact is repentance is what God wants as this is what is written in and all through the entire text of the Bible. So if a person does not repent and believe in the ways of God Almighty will they not be turned over to Satan? Will they not be punished.
Why does God talk about His wrath and punishment at all if they do not exist?
Hi BD,Why do you suggest punishment doesn't exist to further suggest that it never ends?
Zech.3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan;
even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee:
is not this a (Christian) brand plucked out of the fire?Ed J
I never said punishment doesn't exist. Punishment must exist as far as punishment ending I was regarding in what way it may end.Will God simply anihilate the soul and deprive that soul of any further life?
Will God allow that soul to sustain its life indefinitely in the condition of torment it created for itself?
either way punishment is real.
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 05 2010,14:53) I never said punishment doesn't exist.
Hi BD,You made it as a 'choice' to believe either punishment doesn't exist or it is forever.
Drop the 'book of fraud', it is only confusing you.
Confusion is 'Babylon'=71(quran=71)!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (bodhitharta @ April 05 2010,16:53) Will God simply anihilate the soul and deprive that soul of any further life?
The Dead Are Judged- Rev 20;11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it.
Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened.
Another book was opened, which is the book of life.
The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.
The lake of fire is the second death.
If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.Bod
So what you are saying is that Adam and Eve were forgiven by God at that time for their sin? I am not sure where you find that. They were removed from the garden, eve’s increase in pain at child birth, Adam having to cultivate the land to produce “thistles”.I’m not sure how to respond to the tree of life, other then to say, the garden life was eternal, they were blessed with all that they needed to live forever, and I would suppose blissfully happy.
They also had immediate communication with God.Bod I am curious do you believe that was the original plan for all of mankind, to live forever on a paradise earth?
Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2010,20:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 05 2010,14:53) I never said punishment doesn't exist.
Hi BD,You made it as a 'choice' to believe either punishment doesn't exist or it is forever.
Drop the 'book of fraud', it is only confusing you.
Confusion is 'Babylon'=71(quran=71)!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Actually, I didn't I said if Anihilation is punishment that is forever or if you are in Hell forever that is also punishment forever.Can you respond without spewing garbage about someone elses beliefs? Can you back up what you say with the Bible?
Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2010,20:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 05 2010,14:53) I never said punishment doesn't exist.
Hi BD,You made it as a 'choice' to believe either punishment doesn't exist or it is forever.
Drop the 'book of fraud', it is only confusing you.
Confusion is 'Babylon'=71(quran=71)!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
By the way who caused the confusion at the tower of Babel?Quote (karmarie @ April 05 2010,22:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 05 2010,16:53) Will God simply anihilate the soul and deprive that soul of any further life?
The Dead Are Judged- Rev 20;11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it.
Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened.
Another book was opened, which is the book of life.
The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.
The lake of fire is the second death.
If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
The lake of fire is for what torment or anihilation?If death was thrown into the lake of fire before those who were sent there wouldn't that mean that they can not die?
Quote (torcha @ April 06 2010,01:43) Quote Bod
So what you are saying is that Adam and Eve were forgiven by God at that time for their sin?Yes, they were the first to be inspired to repent
Quote I am not sure where you find that. They were removed from the garden, eve’s increase in pain at child birth, Adam having to cultivate the land to produce “thistles”. Yes, this was to show that God did not kill them nor was death their punishment so the results of their action were punished with Mercy.
Quote I’m not sure how to respond to the tree of life, other then to say, the garden life was eternal, they were blessed with all that they needed to live forever, and I would suppose blissfully happy.
They also had immediate communication with God.The garden life was not eternal that is why the tree of life was in the story to show that to choose to eat from it would mean eternal life if they already had eternal life the tree would have no meaning. They also were not cut off from communication with God neither were their children whom God taught directly as shown with the cain story.
Quote Bod I am curious do you believe that was the original plan for all of mankind, to live forever on a paradise earth? Yes, I believe they will
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 06 2010,05:39) Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2010,20:55)
Hi BD,You made it as a 'choice' to believe either punishment doesn't exist or it is forever.
Drop the 'book of fraud', it is only confusing you.
Confusion is 'Babylon'=71(quran=71)!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgCan you respond without spewing garbage about someone elses beliefs? Can you back up what you say with the Bible?
Hi BD,I know you don't really believe what the bible says but here it is anyways.
Gal.1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven,
preach any other gospel unto you than that which we
have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
The quran is proposed to be given by an angel from heaven (Gabriel),
which preached a different Gospel and a different Jesus. It was really satan
disguising himself as an angel of light only to trick poor Muhammad into servitude to him.
You have aslo been tricked into servitude to satan! That is why YHVH had me solve your riddle!
There are exactly 114 chapters called 'suras' in the 'quran', which you (BD) already know full well.2Cor:11:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
You have a “Choice” to believe what “The Bible” says about your 'god' and his 'book of fraud'=114.
OR Believe in the God of “The Bible”=63(YHVH=63); the choice is yours to make my wayward brother!The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
[“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (bodhitharta @ April 06 2010,07:43) [/quote]
Hi Bod.[quote=bodhitharta,April 05 2010,16:53]
The lake of fire is for what torment or anihilation?
anihalationQuote If death was thrown into the lake of fire before those who were sent there wouldn't that mean that they can not die? No. It is meaning the first Death and Hades were thrown in there everything after that is the second death.
Quote (karmarie @ April 06 2010,09:31) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 06 2010,07:43) [/quote]
Hi Bod.[quote=bodhitharta,April 05 2010,16:53]
The lake of fire is for what torment or anihilation?
anihalationQuote If death was thrown into the lake of fire before those who were sent there wouldn't that mean that they can not die? No. It is meaning the first Death and Hades were thrown in there everything after that is the second death.
It doesn't say the first death was thrown in the fire, it says that “death” was thrown into the lake of fire. You interpret “death” as “First death”? On what grounds?Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2010,07:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 06 2010,05:39) Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2010,20:55)
Hi BD,You made it as a 'choice' to believe either punishment doesn't exist or it is forever.
Drop the 'book of fraud', it is only confusing you.
Confusion is 'Babylon'=71(quran=71)!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgCan you respond without spewing garbage about someone elses beliefs? Can you back up what you say with the Bible?
Hi BD,I know you don't really believe what the bible says but here it is anyways.
Gal.1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven,
preach any other gospel unto you than that which we
have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
The quran is proposed to be given by an angel from heaven (Gabriel),
which preached a different Gospel and a different Jesus. It was really satan
disguising himself as an angel of light only to trick poor Muhammad into servitude to him.
You have aslo been tricked into servitude to satan! That is why YHVH had me solve your riddle!
There are exactly 114 chapters called 'suras' in the 'quran', which you (BD) already know full well.2Cor:11:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
You have a “Choice” to believe what “The Bible” says about your 'god' and his 'book of fraud'=114.
OR Believe in the God of “The Bible”=63(YHVH=63); the choice is yours to make my wayward brother!The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
[“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Using your same rules:2 Corinthians 11:17 That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.
What should we conclude about 117 because of this verse but that it you simply being foolish and boasting and not speaking after the Lord.
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 06 2010,10:32) Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2010,07:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 06 2010,05:39) Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2010,20:55)
Hi BD,You made it as a 'choice' to believe either punishment doesn't exist or it is forever.
Drop the 'book of fraud', it is only confusing you.
Confusion is 'Babylon'=71(quran=71)!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgCan you respond without spewing garbage about someone elses beliefs? Can you back up what you say with the Bible?
Hi BD,I know you don't really believe what the bible says but here it is anyways.
Gal.1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven,
preach any other gospel unto you than that which we
have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
The quran is proposed to be given by an angel from heaven (Gabriel),
which preached a different Gospel and a different Jesus. It was really satan
disguising himself as an angel of light only to trick poor Muhammad into servitude to him.
You have aslo been tricked into servitude to satan! That is why YHVH had me solve your riddle!
There are exactly 114 chapters called 'suras' in the 'quran', which you (BD) already know full well.2Cor:11:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
You have a “Choice” to believe what “The Bible” says about your 'god' and his 'book of fraud'=114.
OR Believe in the God of “The Bible”=63(YHVH=63); the choice is yours to make my wayward brother!The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
[“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Using your same rules:2 Corinthians 11:17 That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.
What should we conclude about 117 because of this verse but that it you simply being foolish and boasting and not speaking after the Lord.
1Cor:1:18: For the preaching of the cross is to them(antichrists) that perish foolishness;
but unto us (Christians) which are saved [†] it is the power of (YHVH) GOD.
.Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2010,11:37) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 06 2010,10:32) Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2010,07:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 06 2010,05:39) Quote (Ed J @ April 05 2010,20:55)
Hi BD,You made it as a 'choice' to believe either punishment doesn't exist or it is forever.
Drop the 'book of fraud', it is only confusing you.
Confusion is 'Babylon'=71(quran=71)!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgCan you respond without spewing garbage about someone elses beliefs? Can you back up what you say with the Bible?
Hi BD,I know you don't really believe what the bible says but here it is anyways.
Gal.1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven,
preach any other gospel unto you than that which we
have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
The quran is proposed to be given by an angel from heaven (Gabriel),
which preached a different Gospel and a different Jesus. It was really satan
disguising himself as an angel of light only to trick poor Muhammad into servitude to him.
You have aslo been tricked into servitude to satan! That is why YHVH had me solve your riddle!
There are exactly 114 chapters called 'suras' in the 'quran', which you (BD) already know full well.2Cor:11:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
You have a “Choice” to believe what “The Bible” says about your 'god' and his 'book of fraud'=114.
OR Believe in the God of “The Bible”=63(YHVH=63); the choice is yours to make my wayward brother!The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
[“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Using your same rules:2 Corinthians 11:17 That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.
What should we conclude about 117 because of this verse but that it you simply being foolish and boasting and not speaking after the Lord.
1Cor:1:18: For the preaching of the cross is to them(antichrists) that perish foolishness;
but unto us (Christians) which are saved [†] it is the power of (YHVH) GOD.
.
1 Corinthians 1:17For [B]Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. [/B]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:37-39Quote (bodhitharta @ April 06 2010,12:23) Quote (karmarie @ April 06 2010,09:31) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 06 2010,07:43)
Hi Bod.[quote=bodhitharta,April 05 2010,16:53]
The lake of fire is for what torment or anihilation?
anihalationQuote If death was thrown into the lake of fire before those who were sent there wouldn't that mean that they can not die? No. It is meaning the first Death and Hades were thrown in there everything after that is the second death.
It doesn't say the first death was thrown in the fire, it says that “death” was thrown into the lake of fire. You interpret “death” as “First death”? On what grounds?
Hi Bod.Eternal Death cant mean eternal life can it?
Theres 3 Words used in Revelations 20;…. Death, Life and for both; Eternal.“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord..(Romans 6:23)
Rev 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them,
and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire”
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