The Trinity Doctrine

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2010,05:28)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2010,19:32) ED If I were to guess it is probably like 80% in favour of the Anti-Trinitarians and 20% Trinitarian and that is being gracious. Do bridges take sides? Or do they touch both sides? So now “almighty mediator” between the opposing views… WJ Hi WJ, Bridges allow for travel to both sides! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed

There is no meeting darkness with light!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2010,05:11)

The “Trinitarian” view that is presented by the 'systems of religion' has “Major” flaws.

Ed

Your words do not make it so! You are here to only promote yourself. That is why you put the link to your flawed book after every post!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2010,05:28)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2010,19:32) ED If I were to guess it is probably like 80% in favour of the Anti-Trinitarians and 20% Trinitarian and that is being gracious. Do bridges take sides? Or do they touch both sides? So now “almighty mediator” between the opposing views… WJ Hi WJ, Bridges allow for travel to both sides! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ED

For you it seems that there is only one side, “YOUR SIDE”.

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2010,05:11)

Me agreeing with points you make would cause you think (by proxy) that those who hold the view you call anti-Trinitarian are 'wrong'?

Ed

Whats the difference? You think everyone here is wrong but you anyway!

Pot calling kettle black again!

WJ

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2010,18:33)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 01 2010,17:07) Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2010,14:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 01 2010,10:29) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 31 2010,22:32) Stuart and Tim, Abraham was tested by God and asked to sacrifice His own Son to prove His faith and love of God God stopped Him before He did. This was How God KNEW Abraham Had great Love and Faith even to give up His Son who He loved to show it But then, ” God SO LOVED THE WHOLE WORLD  that HE gave His only Son.” He showed His own Faith and love for ALL OF US through this. His own Son was killed instead. And His own Son went down to the dead and brought them back -with Him. Gods ways are higher than ours. God is love. God did not offer up HIS son for Sacrifice NOR DID HE THINK IT: Hi BD, Do you think God to be a 'liar'? Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat               of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Rom.8:32: He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us                 all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Ed J Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat               of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Did anyone die the day they ate the fruit? No, they did not but instead God forgave them. Can you show me a single scripture that says that Adam and Eve died the day they ate the fruit? Hi BD,                 I'm glad you decided to continue our “Bible Study”!                 YHVH=63 is NOT a liar, you just DON'T understand “The Bible”=63!. Gen.5:27: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine (969) years: and he died. (2Peter 3:8) 2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the                 Lord as a thousand (1,000) years, and a thousand years as one day.               Here is what “YHVH”=63 said… Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:               for in the day=63 that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.                 You BD, have eaten from 'the tree of knowledge of Good and evil'! Gen.3:22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man (BD) is become as one of us, to know Good and evil=67: ('the allah'=67)                 and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: (Matt.16:25-26)                 Do you now understand why Christ (John 3:16) had to die my wayward Brother? (FOR YOUR SIN!) God bless you BD. Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Adam only knew of days as evening and morning as saying you would die in a thousand years would have no meaning to the effect of saying Do not eat of the fruit in a present context.

The Quran reveals the actual event in its clarity:

Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #37)

And just look at the facts in Jonah:

Jonah 4:2 (King James Version)

2And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.

Now do you not believe that God would have taught Adam about repentance?

No, I do not understand why Christ would have to die especially since he did not sin:

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Ezekiel 18:19-21

So what do you say to this ED?

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Ezekiel 18:3-5

Do you deny the scriptures and create your own ways and means?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ April 01 2010,20:39)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 01 2010,12:29) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 31 2010,22:32) Stuart and Tim, I hope iv got this right?  I havent read the WHOLE Bible in context but I will give it a go; Uzzah was struck down by God, DAVID WAS ANGRY AT GOD FOR DOING THAT David was a Man after Gods own Heart. David was given a throne. ———————————— Abraham was tested by God and asked to sacrifice His own Son to prove His faith and love of God God stopped Him before He did. This was How God KNEW Abraham Had great Love and Faith even to give up His Son who He loved to show it But then, ” God SO LOVED THE WHOLE WORLD  that HE gave His only Son.” He showed His own Faith and love for ALL OF US through this. His own Son was killed instead. And His own Son went down to the dead and brought them back -with Him. —————————– Gods ways are higher than ours. God is love. If you say HIS so was killed then it was not offered but taken. Actually the story of Abraham would suggest exactly what Islam says that God who saved Abraham's son would certainly save his own son as it says in Malachi Malachi 3:17 (New International Version) 17 “They will be mine,” says the LORD Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. [a] I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him. In the name of ALLAH the Most Compassionate and Most Merciful. God's ways are Higher than yours so as Jesus says: But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Matthew 9:12-14 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. Hosea 6:5-7 God did not offer up HIS son for Sacrifice NOR DID HE THINK IT: And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin. Jeremiah 32:34-36 It is an abomination to sacrifice a child. “.. Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat;  this is my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins…” (Matthew 26:26)

Well, is it allowed for you to eat the flesh of the dead or drink blood?

Of course not! So what is really being eaten and drank besides his humanity

For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
Isaiah 29:9-11

Do you believe in Child Sacrifice?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 31 2010,22:32)

Stuart and Tim, I hope iv got this right?  I havent read the WHOLE Bible in context but I will give it a go; Uzzah was struck down by God, DAVID WAS ANGRY AT GOD FOR DOING THAT David was a Man after Gods own Heart. David was given a throne. ———————————— Abraham was tested by God and asked to sacrifice His own Son to prove His faith and love of God God stopped Him before He did. This was How God KNEW Abraham Had great Love and Faith even to give up His Son who He loved to show it But then, ” God SO LOVED THE WHOLE WORLD  that HE gave His only Son.” He showed His own Faith and love for ALL OF US through this. His own Son was killed instead. And His own Son went down to the dead and brought them back -with Him. —————————– Gods ways are higher than ours. God is love.

You wrote: “And His own Son went down to the dead and brought them back -with Him.”

How can this be so when Jesus said himself:

God is a God of the living

[karmarie]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 02 2010,09:06)

Well, is it allowed for you to eat the flesh of the dead or drink blood? Of course not! So what is really being eaten and drank besides his humanity For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. Isaiah 29:9-11 Do you believe in Child Sacrifice?

No Bod Jesus here was saying that his Blood would be poured out for many.
The Quran says this wasnt true and didnt happen.
They both say two different things? Which one do you believe?

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But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Matthew 9:12-14 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. Hosea 6:5-7

God didnt want OUR sacrifices
From us He wanted Mercy:

Mercy which God desires:
1. Compassionate treatment, especially of those under one's power; clemency.
2. A disposition to be kind and forgiving: a heart full of mercy.
3. Something for which to be thankful; a blessing:
4. Alleviation of distress; relief:

Read Hebrews.

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 02 2010,04:49)

Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2010,05:28) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2010,19:32) ED If I were to guess it is probably like 80% in favour of the Anti-Trinitarians and 20% Trinitarian and that is being gracious. Do bridges take sides? Or do they touch both sides? So now “almighty mediator” between the opposing views… WJ Hi WJ, Bridges allow for travel to both sides! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org ED For you it seems that there is only one side, “YOUR SIDE”. WJ

Hi WJ,

1Cor.12:14-18 For the body is not one member, but many. ('you' determine who is part of the body?)
If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased [יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm].

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ April 02 2010,10:19)

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 02 2010,09:06) Well, is it allowed for you to eat the flesh of the dead or drink blood? Of course not! So what is really being eaten and drank besides his humanity For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. Isaiah 29:9-11 Do you believe in Child Sacrifice? No Bod Jesus here was saying that his Blood would be poured out for many. The Quran says this wasnt true and didnt happen. They both say two different things? Which one do you believe? Quote But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Matthew 9:12-14 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. Hosea 6:5-7 God didnt want OUR sacrifices From us He wanted Mercy: Mercy which God desires: 1. Compassionate treatment, especially of those under one's power; clemency. 2. A disposition to be kind and forgiving: a heart full of mercy. 3. Something for which to be thankful; a blessing: 4. Alleviation of distress; relief: Read Hebrews.

I believe that God SAVED HIS SON. You believe that God sacrficed HIS own son?

Do you believe God was not Merciful and kind towards HIS son?

DO you REALLY believe that GOD NEEDED to KILL or HAVE KILLED HIS OWN SON to simply forgive the repented person?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 02 2010,05:21)

Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2010,18:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 01 2010,17:07) Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2010,14:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 01 2010,10:29) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 31 2010,22:32) Stuart and Tim, Abraham was tested by God and asked to sacrifice His own Son to prove His faith and love of God God stopped Him before He did. This was How God KNEW Abraham Had great Love and Faith even to give up His Son who He loved to show it But then, ” God SO LOVED THE WHOLE WORLD  that HE gave His only Son.” He showed His own Faith and love for ALL OF US through this. His own Son was killed instead. And His own Son went down to the dead and brought them back -with Him. Gods ways are higher than ours. God is love. God did not offer up HIS son for Sacrifice NOR DID HE THINK IT: Hi BD, Do you think God to be a 'liar'? Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat               of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Rom.8:32: He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us                 all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Ed J Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat               of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Did anyone die the day they ate the fruit? No, they did not but instead God forgave them. Can you show me a single scripture that says that Adam and Eve died the day they ate the fruit? Hi BD,                 I'm glad you decided to continue our “Bible Study”!                 YHVH=63 is NOT a liar, you just DON'T understand “The Bible”=63!. Gen.5:27: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine (969) years: and he died. (2Peter 3:8) 2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the                 Lord as a thousand (1,000) years, and a thousand years as one day.               Here is what “YHVH”=63 said… Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:               for in the day=63 that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.                 You BD, have eaten from 'the tree of knowledge of Good and evil'! Gen.3:22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man (BD) is become as one of us, to know Good and evil=67: ('the allah'=67)                 and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: (Matt.16:25-26)                 Do you now understand why Christ (John 3:16) had to die my wayward Brother? (FOR YOUR SIN!) God bless you BD. Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org The Quran reveals the actual event in its clarity: Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.   (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #37)

Hi BD,

How does that add 'any' clarity to what we are discussing?
You are really 'stuck' on the 'book of fraud'=114 aren't you?

Ed J

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 02 2010,05:21)

Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2010,18:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 01 2010,17:07) Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2010,14:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 01 2010,10:29) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 31 2010,22:32) Stuart and Tim, Abraham was tested by God and asked to sacrifice His own Son to prove His faith and love of God God stopped Him before He did. This was How God KNEW Abraham Had great Love and Faith even to give up His Son who He loved to show it But then, ” God SO LOVED THE WHOLE WORLD  that HE gave His only Son.” He showed His own Faith and love for ALL OF US through this. His own Son was killed instead. And His own Son went down to the dead and brought them back -with Him. Gods ways are higher than ours. God is love. God did not offer up HIS son for Sacrifice NOR DID HE THINK IT: Hi BD, Do you think God to be a 'liar'? Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat               of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Rom.8:32: He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us                 all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Ed J Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat               of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Did anyone die the day they ate the fruit? No, they did not but instead God forgave them. Can you show me a single scripture that says that Adam and Eve died the day they ate the fruit? Hi BD,                 I'm glad you decided to continue our “Bible Study”!                 YHVH=63 is NOT a liar, you just DON'T understand “The Bible”=63!. Gen.5:27: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine (969) years: and he died. (2Peter 3:8) 2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the                 Lord as a thousand (1,000) years, and a thousand years as one day.               Here is what “YHVH”=63 said… Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:               for in the day=63 that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.                 You BD, have eaten from 'the tree of knowledge of Good and evil'! Gen.3:22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man (BD) is become as one of us, to know Good and evil=67: ('the allah'=67)                 and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: (Matt.16:25-26)                 Do you now understand why Christ (John 3:16) had to die my wayward Brother? (FOR YOUR SIN!) God bless you BD. Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Adam only knew of days as evening and morning as saying you would die in a thousand years would have no meaning to the effect of saying Do not eat of the fruit in a present context. The Quran reveals the actual event in its clarity: Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.   (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #37) And just look at the facts in Jonah: Jonah 4:2 (King James Version) 2And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil. Now do you not believe that God would have taught Adam about repentance? No, I do not understand why Christ would have to die especially since he did not sin: The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Ezekiel 18:19-21 So what do you say to this ED? Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18:3-5 Do you deny the scriptures and create your own ways and means?

Hi BD,

               PLEASE CAREFULLY READ THIS ENTIRE POST!

This last Post of yours illustrates 'your' Confusion(Babylon) rather well; even you should be able to see your “Confusion”!
Notice BD how the abbreviation of ISAIAH is “Isa”(The name Jesus translated from Arabic into English)!
The Name Isaiah means: JEVOVAH is Salvation, / The Name Jesus(Isa) means: JEHOVAH is Savior.

Isa 53:6: All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD
               ([יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā) hath laid on him ([יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă “Isa”) the iniquity of us all.
Rom:5:8: But God (YHVH) commendeth his love toward us, in
               that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
               (“The Passover”=148 / [פסח=148] In The Hebrew)

Eph.5:14: Wherefore he (YHVH) saith, Awake thou (BD) that sleepest(in ignorance),
               and arise from the dead(out of your sin), and Christ shall give thee light.

People need: “BIBLE PERCEPTION“=151, to understand “BIBLE TRUTH“=117 ! (AKJV Eph.4:22-24)
The God Numbers=151 are: 26, 63, 74, 117 & 151; and these numbers help to establish “Bible Truth”=117!

                God's Name [יהוה] translates DIRECTLY into English as “YHVH
“=63
                The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
                is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
                [“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.

I added “Color” to help you grasp the “Ideas” God has put forth in His Word!
THE “THREE” MAIN “FEASTS OF GOD” (Called:”The Trinity”=148) are as follows…

1) “The Passover”=148              “The Passover”: made possible “Pentecost”=117
   “Messiah: Jesus”=148                  “JESUS CHRIST“=151 was the “Testator”=151!

2) “Pentecost”=117                     Started  the “God Spirit”=117(Holy Spirit), which      
  “Former Rain”=117                    is “GOD THE FATHER”=117 reigning in Mankind!

3) “Feast of Booths”=151            begins The “HOLY SPIRIT”=151(God The Father)
    “The Latter Rain”=151             “Tabernacles Feast”=151; the culmination of the “THREE”!

                       “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Your teacher in Christ!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[karmarie]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 02 2010,15:17)

[quote=bodhitharta,April 02 2010,09:06] I believe that God SAVED HIS SON. You believe that God sacrficed HIS own son? Do you believe God was not Merciful and kind towards HIS son? DO you REALLY believe that GOD NEEDED to KILL or HAVE KILLED HIS OWN SON to simply forgive the repented person?

Bod, we cant understand all the things of God!

The Life is in the Blood
We dont have to understand it but just believe.

You find it hard to understand that but have no problem with things like this?:

“Thus, All this. But indeed for the oppressors will be an evil place of final return. It is Hellfire – they will burn therein, and how evil is that bed, Thus, then will they taste it – a boiling fluid and a filthy fluid of pus and blood and other penalties of a similar kind to match them.” [Sad, 38: 55-58]

“In front of him is Hell, and he is given pus to drink. He will gulp it but will hardly be able to swallow it, and death will come to him from every place, yet, he will not die. And in front of him will be a heavy punishment.” [Ibrahim, 14: 16-17]

“These two opponents dispute with each other about their Lord. But those who disbelieve will have garments of fire cut out for them. Over their heads will be poured boiling water.”
[al Hajj, 22: 19]

The Messenger of Allah said: “Of the inmates of the Fire, the one with the easiest punishment will be Abu Talib; he will be wearing a pair of shoes which will cause his brain to boil.” [Sahih al-Bukhari]

“Those who have disbelieved in Our signs – We will burn them in fire. As often as their skins are roasted through, We will exchange them for other skins so that they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.” [Surah an-Nisa, 4: 56]

Compared with this:

1st John 4:7
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.
Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him.
In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.
By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world.
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
We love because he first loved us.

[Is 1:18]

Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2010,14:05)

PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Actually the centre is Ps 118:8, if you're going by chapters and using the KJV or NKJV…..

[Ed J]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 02 2010,20:17)

Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2010,14:05) PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Actually the centre is Ps 118:8, if you're going by chapters and using the KJV or NKJV…..

Hi Isaiah 1:18,

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet,
                they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

I know it's a natural instinct to want to correct or one up someone, but you need to get your FACTS straight!
The Bible has 31102 Chapters. That would make Psalm 103:1-2 both the Center verses; NOT Psalm 118:8.

You can't beat the accuracy of a Computer. Click Here
This link has the Complete KJV Bible on a database.
Put the verse # in at the bottom and the verse
will be displayed at the top of Page; OK?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. I added clarity in the next Post!

[Ed J]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 02 2010,20:17)

Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2010,14:05) PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Actually the centre is Ps 118:8, if you're going by chapters and using the KJV or NKJV…..

Hi Is1:18,

                          “YHVH is GOD”=117

The number 117 shows much significance in English Gematria, as it relates to the Bible and God’s Hebrew name and title.

GOD’s Name (יהוה) transliterates directly into English as YHVH.
The Gematria total of “GOD the Father” matches precisely with the Hebrew Gematria of
“יהוה האלהים” (Jehovah God); which is 117. Furthermore “YHVH is GOD” totals 117 as well!

The Center Chapter in the Bible just so happens to be Psalm 117 (Psalms is the largest book);
since there are exactly 1189 chapters in the entire bible that would make Psalm117
(the smallest chapter) the center, because there are 594 chapters before and 594 after.
What similarity can we draw from this? Well how about… From small to large,
GOD is at the center of all truth even unto the smallest of particles yet larger
than our mortal minds can fully comprehend.

Some may say these facts are all mere coincidence, but my research suggests that it is by design.
As a matter of fact the Hebrew language has no word for coincidence; and because of this they
don’t believe there is such a thing, only divine intervention.

                             “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[torcha]

Bod
I don’t know if I understand your point exactly. As far as prophecy is concerned I believe it will be revealed in Gods proper time, as to understanding God and his relationship with us ,I would defer to Jesus.
John 17: 1-3
1.Jesus spoke these words, lifted up his eyes to heaven and said “father the hour has come. Glorify your son, that your son also may glorify you. 2. As you have given him authority over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him. 3. “And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
This is not ambiguous. If it means eternal life, that we know the father, in some bibles it says, “taking in knowledge of you”. That information would be clearly related in the bible. This is not prophecy, this is information for understanding, for LIFE. I believe God is a God of logic. He would not play word games with information for our eternal life! Certainly prophecy aside.

[torcha]

Bod
Adam and Eve WOULD have lived forever they were made by God, they were perfect! But they sined, on that day they left the path of perfection down the path that lead to their ultimate demise, and their children, us, have the same problem we eventually die. That is where Jesus comes in, the one sacrifice for all time. What Adam and Eve did was BIG, it was a chalange to Gods universal right to rule, he made everything he has the RIGHT to rule { in any way he sees fit}. We are all lucky he is a just, loving and rightest God. He showed his love for us by finding a way for our salvation throught his son.

[Lightenup]

Quote (torcha @ Mar. 18 2010,13:32)

FIRST OF ALL I am a bible reader, certainly not a bible scholar. IT IS IN THIS VAIN I would like to ask some questions, make some statements, So as to get some responses. I will number them to make it easier to respond. 1. For approximately two thousand years the Jews were God’s chosen people. And he revealed himself to them through the prophets. 2. God went into great detail how his temple was to be constructed, how sacrifices to him were to be done i.e. Moses. 3. The Jews were Unitarian in their belief, awaiting a promised messiah. 4. How could it be that through all the prophets he did not reveal his true nature clearly i.e. The Trinity? And if he did was he just being cryptic about it? 5. And this would be so even to the time of Jesus. Mark 12: 28 – 32 quotes 28 “Then one of the scribes came and having heard them reasoning together, perceiving that he had answered well, asked him,” which is the first commandment of all? 29 Jesus answered him, the first of all commandments is. “Hear O Israel the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. This is the first commandment. “Jump to 32. So the Scribe said to him. “Well said teacher, you have spoken the truth, for there is one God. And there is no other but he.” 6 The scribe would have been speaking as a Unitarian? 7 Was Jesus being cryptic in his answer knowing there are two other persons as a Trinity that deserved all honor and praise? 8 If he was it is very close to an untruth. He would have known the understanding of the scribe, and he did not correct him? 9 So wouldn’t Jesus himself to that point be teaching a Unitarian belief? 10 And concerning the Holy Sprit, when Stephen had a view of heaven and saw the Father and Jesus at his right side where was the Holy Sprit? Would he not be there to confuse the beliefs at a later time? I know some of my points might seem simple minded, that being said I don’t believe the bible was writer just for bible scholars.

Hi Torcha,
Welcome!

You are asking good questions…questions many of us have asked. My problem with the trinity doctrine is not that it includes the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit within a Godhead but that it spells out that they are all persons and all co-equal and co-eternal. I believe that the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are our Godhead and the “oneness” is in unity.

We have examples of the idea of oneness in the Bible. For example, the body of Christ is many members…all believers make up one body. The man and woman become one flesh when they get married.

Is the Holy Spirit equally a person like the Father and the Son, well, the Bible says the Holy Spirit is of the Father and knows His mind like our spirit knows ours. Could the Holy Spirit merely be the inner person, or spirit, of the Father which has the unique quality of flowing from Him while remaining within Him?

The Son says that the Father is greater and throughout the NT we see that the Son is given all things from the Father and anything that the Son gives the Father, apart from His own complete devotion, is merely being returned to the Father who gave it in the first place. I believe that the Son was begotten, not created before creation. I believe that the Son has been “the arm of the Lord” since He began and the Jews perceived the Lord God with the outstretched arm as one which is later revealed that the oneness they understood was really a unity of two beings, the Father and the Son together with the Holy Spirit.

So, I believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit but not as three co-equal, co-eternal persons in one Godhead.

I don't believe that the Father wanted us to use the terms trinity or binity because that limits Him. What if He started out as the Father who had within Him, His very own spirit but no Son, and then He had the Son. That would change how many were within the Godhead. I believe that unity is the concept He wants us to have of Him and not a specific number, like three in one. The body of Christ doesn't have a specified number of members, it only says many members in one body.

Those are some of my thoughts on the matter.

I hope you enjoy the challenges…they will strengthen you in your Bible study unless they frustrate the heck out of you first

God bless,
Kathi/LU/Lightenup

[JustAskin]

Hi EDJ,

I respect the fact that your numbers show some element of 'truth' but what else is this useful for.

What else can they prove.

You are forever posting the same thing over and over that 117 = God. Ok, but why? We here are the same ones who keep reading the same thing.

Do you understand that continually repeating the same thing unchanged turns off the reader.

With all respect, I understand your passion for your discovery but you need to develop it into a functional revelation.

The Holy Spirit=117 is God=117 's Holy Spirit and Jesus=74 is not God=117 but all Truth=117 is of God=117 because God=117 is the centre (center)=the source of All things.

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