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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2010,17:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 14 2010,09:39) Mike You think that you have the truth like all the rest.
This debate has been going on for centuries and obviously the ant-Trinitarians are loosing the battle because truth does prevail. That is why most are blessed and saved through the Trinitarian Churches!
You have not proven any truth more than any other that have come here.
So get your head out of the clouds man!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,Shouldn't that tell you that there is 'some' underlying “Truth” to both sides: 'anti-non-Trinitarians'(Psalm 18:25-27) and 'non-Trinitarians'.
The “Truth” is that both sides are 'partially' correct (AKJV Luke 15:51-2 / Eph.2:16-22)! When are you going to realize this FACT; WJ?Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdI have never claimed that the other side doesn't have any truth.
So why don't you get off my back, please!
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 01 2010,09:30) Hi TT,
This thread is about the nonexistent trinity.
It should not be used for personal attacks
Nick,What is the personal attack? I simply pointed out Mikeboll's inconsistencies.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2010,17:30) Hi TT,
This thread is about the nonexistent trinity.
It should not be used for personal attacks
NHHow is it a personal attack for Jack to point out the facts about the debate?
WJ
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2010,17:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 14 2010,09:39) Mike You think that you have the truth like all the rest.
This debate has been going on for centuries and obviously the ant-Trinitarians are loosing the battle because truth does prevail. That is why most are blessed and saved through the Trinitarian Churches!
You have not proven any truth more than any other that have come here.
So get your head out of the clouds man!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,Shouldn't that tell you that there is 'some' underlying “Truth” to both sides: 'anti-non-Trinitarians'(Psalm 18:25-27) and 'non-Trinitarians'.
The “Truth” is that both sides are 'partially' correct (AKJV Luke 15:51-2 / Eph.2:16-22)! When are you going to realize this FACT; WJ?Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDBTW what about your side, do you have partial truth also?
I do not expect you to answer with a simple yes but it will be telling!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2010,09:35) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2010,17:30) Hi TT,
This thread is about the nonexistent trinity.
It should not be used for personal attacks
NHHow is it a personal attack for Jack to point out the facts about the debate?
WJ
Keith,I think Nick is touchy about it because Mike is an embarassment. All I did was show his inconsistencies. I guess if I was in Nick's place I would be a little touchy about it too.
Jack
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2010,09:37) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2010,17:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 14 2010,09:39) Mike You think that you have the truth like all the rest.
This debate has been going on for centuries and obviously the ant-Trinitarians are loosing the battle because truth does prevail. That is why most are blessed and saved through the Trinitarian Churches!
You have not proven any truth more than any other that have come here.
So get your head out of the clouds man!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,Shouldn't that tell you that there is 'some' underlying “Truth” to both sides: 'anti-non-Trinitarians'(Psalm 18:25-27) and 'non-Trinitarians'.
The “Truth” is that both sides are 'partially' correct (AKJV Luke 15:51-2 / Eph.2:16-22)! When are you going to realize this FACT; WJ?Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDBTW what about your side, do you have partial truth also?
I do not expect you to answer with a simple yes but it will be telling!
WJ
Hi WJ,My side is: both sides; remember “I see the big Picture”!
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2010,17:45) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2010,09:37) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2010,17:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 14 2010,09:39) Mike You think that you have the truth like all the rest.
This debate has been going on for centuries and obviously the ant-Trinitarians are loosing the battle because truth does prevail. That is why most are blessed and saved through the Trinitarian Churches!
You have not proven any truth more than any other that have come here.
So get your head out of the clouds man!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,Shouldn't that tell you that there is 'some' underlying “Truth” to both sides: 'anti-non-Trinitarians'(Psalm 18:25-27) and 'non-Trinitarians'.
The “Truth” is that both sides are 'partially' correct (AKJV Luke 15:51-2 / Eph.2:16-22)! When are you going to realize this FACT; WJ?Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDBTW what about your side, do you have partial truth also?
I do not expect you to answer with a simple yes but it will be telling!
WJ
Hi WJ,My side is: both sides; remember “I see the big Picture”!
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Really?
Could have fooled me and many others here! But thanks for admitting that you know more than everyone else here.
Like I said, “Telling”!
Do me a favour Ed and point us to some sights or links that support your theorys! Surely there must be someone that teach what you teach seeing that you say you have the “Big picture”!
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 01 2010,09:42) Hi WJ,
Anyone can read the writings of others.
Personal attacks are superfluous.
Nick,I am still waiting for you to show me the alleged personal attack. I discovered that Mike had said that he is getting me down to the heart of things in the debate. I simply gave the facts.
thinker
Hi TT,
When the debate instead on focussing on the issue becomes an attack on a particular person by you then you are out of line. Just deal with issues.Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 31 2010,22:32) Stuart and Tim,
I hope iv got this right? I havent read the WHOLE Bible in context but I will give it a go;Uzzah was struck down by God,
DAVID WAS ANGRY AT GOD FOR DOING THAT
David was a Man after Gods own Heart.
David was given a throne.————————————
Abraham was tested by God and asked to sacrifice His own Son to prove His faith and love of God
God stopped Him before He did.
This was How God KNEW Abraham Had great Love and Faith even to give up His Son who He loved to show itBut then,
” God SO LOVED THE WHOLE WORLD that HE gave His only Son.”
He showed His own Faith and love for ALL OF US through this. His own Son was killed instead.And His own Son went down to the dead and brought them back -with Him.
—————————–Gods ways are higher than ours.
God is love.
If you say HIS so was killed then it was not offered but taken.Actually the story of Abraham would suggest exactly what Islam says that God who saved Abraham's son would certainly save his own son as it says in Malachi
Malachi 3:17 (New International Version)
17 “They will be mine,” says the LORD Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. [a] I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him.
In the name of ALLAH the Most Compassionate and Most Merciful.
God's ways are Higher than yours so as Jesus says:
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Hosea 6:5-7God did not offer up HIS son for Sacrifice NOR DID HE THINK IT:
And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Jeremiah 32:34-36It is an abomination to sacrifice a child.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2010,09:37) ED BTW what about your side…
WJ
Hi WJ,You, like Georg want to put me on the 'opposing' side! Why is that?
Quote (banana @ Dec. 17 2009,23:52) Ed From your early posts I can tell, you believe in the trinity; is that what your numbers are telling you?
Georg
Quote (banana @ Dec. 17 2009,11:15) Ed You talk about the bridge of trinitarian and none trinitarian, there is no bridge, only a gab.
You say, the only thing you insist on is truth, good, than we should get along without controversy.Georg
And here is how 'you' sound like Georg…
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 16 2010,17:34) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 15 2010,22:33) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 16 2010,11:41) Marty Then why didn't Jesus say both he and the Father was gonna send the Father?
Why does he say the Spirit takes from him (Jesus) and gives to us?
Why does he say the Spirit only speaks what he hears?
Why does he say the Spirit does not speak on his own? John 16:13, 14
Why did he pray the Father send “Another Counselor”?
Why did Jesus mention the three more than once and clarify it in Matt 28:19?
You leave a lot of unanswered questions that unlike what you say is hard to understand according to all the scriptures if I take your view!
WJ
Hi WJ,I know those questions were geared for Marty, probably because you believe he cannot answer them.
And probably also because you seem to be on a quest attempting to prove people wrong?
You probably would like those questions to remain unanswered; wouldn't you?
You seem to only be interested in asking questions that you believe cannot be answered?I answer those questions you ask, in the free e-book called “HolyCityBibleCode”.
But you don't seem to be interested in the answers to those questions; only in endless disputes?
Bring it on.Since you are on a quest here to prove the Trinitarian view wrong!
Answer the questions.
Start with this one…
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you “another Counselor” to be with you forever– John 14:16
Then if you can graduate from that one then move on to John 16:13, 14!
Tell you what, me and you can have a One on One debate in the debates thread to prove that the Holy Spirit is not the Father, what ya say, eh?
WJ
How quickly we forget.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 23 2009,07:38) t Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2009,15:05) That verse clearly supports the “Trinitarian” view.
Thank You!The scriptures do not present opposing views or contradictions.
WJ
Ed J
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 01 2010,10:29) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 31 2010,22:32) Stuart and Tim,
I hope iv got this right? I havent read the WHOLE Bible in context but I will give it a go;Uzzah was struck down by God,
DAVID WAS ANGRY AT GOD FOR DOING THAT
David was a Man after Gods own Heart.
David was given a throne.————————————
Abraham was tested by God and asked to sacrifice His own Son to prove His faith and love of God
God stopped Him before He did.
This was How God KNEW Abraham Had great Love and Faith even to give up His Son who He loved to show itBut then,
” God SO LOVED THE WHOLE WORLD that HE gave His only Son.”
He showed His own Faith and love for ALL OF US through this. His own Son was killed instead.And His own Son went down to the dead and brought them back -with Him.
—————————–Gods ways are higher than ours.
God is love.
If you say HIS so was killed then it was not offered but taken.Actually the story of Abraham would suggest exactly what Islam says that God who saved Abraham's son would certainly save his own son as it says in Malachi
Malachi 3:17 (New International Version)
17 “They will be mine,” says the LORD Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. [a] I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him.
In the name of ALLAH the Most Compassionate and Most Merciful.
God's ways are Higher than yours so as Jesus says:
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Hosea 6:5-7God did not offer up HIS son for Sacrifice NOR DID HE THINK IT:
And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Jeremiah 32:34-36It is an abomination to sacrifice a child.
Hi BD,Do you think God to be a 'liar'?
Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat
of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Rom.8:32: He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us
all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2010,14:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 01 2010,10:29) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 31 2010,22:32) Stuart and Tim,
I hope iv got this right? I havent read the WHOLE Bible in context but I will give it a go;Uzzah was struck down by God,
DAVID WAS ANGRY AT GOD FOR DOING THAT
David was a Man after Gods own Heart.
David was given a throne.————————————
Abraham was tested by God and asked to sacrifice His own Son to prove His faith and love of God
God stopped Him before He did.
This was How God KNEW Abraham Had great Love and Faith even to give up His Son who He loved to show itBut then,
” God SO LOVED THE WHOLE WORLD that HE gave His only Son.”
He showed His own Faith and love for ALL OF US through this. His own Son was killed instead.And His own Son went down to the dead and brought them back -with Him.
—————————–Gods ways are higher than ours.
God is love.
If you say HIS so was killed then it was not offered but taken.Actually the story of Abraham would suggest exactly what Islam says that God who saved Abraham's son would certainly save his own son as it says in Malachi
Malachi 3:17 (New International Version)
17 “They will be mine,” says the LORD Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. [a] I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him.
In the name of ALLAH the Most Compassionate and Most Merciful.
God's ways are Higher than yours so as Jesus says:
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Hosea 6:5-7God did not offer up HIS son for Sacrifice NOR DID HE THINK IT:
And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Jeremiah 32:34-36It is an abomination to sacrifice a child.
Hi BD,Do you think God to be a 'liar'?
Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat
of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Rom.8:32: He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us
all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?Ed J
Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat
of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.Did anyone die the day they ate the fruit? No, they did not but instead God forgave them. Can you show me a single scripture that says that Adam and Eve died the day they ate the fruit?
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 01 2010,17:07) Quote (Ed J @ April 01 2010,14:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ April 01 2010,10:29) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 31 2010,22:32) Stuart and Tim, Abraham was tested by God and asked to sacrifice His own Son to prove His faith and love of God
God stopped Him before He did.
This was How God KNEW Abraham Had great Love and Faith even to give up His Son who He loved to show itBut then,
” God SO LOVED THE WHOLE WORLD that HE gave His only Son.”
He showed His own Faith and love for ALL OF US through this. His own Son was killed instead.And His own Son went down to the dead and brought them back -with Him.
Gods ways are higher than ours.
God is love.
God did not offer up HIS son for Sacrifice NOR DID HE THINK IT:
Hi BD,Do you think God to be a 'liar'?
Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat
of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Rom.8:32: He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us
all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?Ed J
Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat
of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.Did anyone die the day they ate the fruit? No, they did not but instead God forgave them.
Can you show me a single scripture that says that Adam and Eve died the day they ate the fruit?
Hi BD,I'm glad you decided to continue our “Bible Study”!
YHVH=63 is NOT a liar, you just DON'T understand “The Bible”=63!.
Gen.5:27: And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine (969) years: and he died. (2Peter 3:8)
2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the
Lord as a thousand (1,000) years, and a thousand years as one day.Here is what “YHVH”=63 said…
Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day=63 that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.You BD, have eaten from 'the tree of knowledge of Good and evil'!
Gen.3:22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man (BD) is become as one of us, to know Good and evil=67: ('the allah'=67)
and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: (Matt.16:25-26)
Do you now understand why Christ (John 3:16) had to die my wayward Brother? (FOR YOUR SIN!)God bless you BD.
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2010,19:31)
How quickly we forget.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 23 2009,07:38) t Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2009,15:05) That verse clearly supports the “Trinitarian” view.
Thank You!The scriptures do not present opposing views or contradictions.
WJ
Ed J
EDSo what is your point?
If I would go and post every time that you have sided against the Trinitarian and for the Anti-Trinitarian then I am quite sure the statistics would show a huge bias on your part against the Trinitarian view as opposed to the apposers!
If I were to guess it is probably like 80% in favour of the Anti-Trinitarians and 20% Trinitarian and that is being gracious.
Do bridges take sides? Or do they touch both sides?
So now “almighty mediator” between the opposing views, where is your converts? Where has any Anti-Trinitarian and Trinitarian come into unity because of you?
The fruit of your “so-called” bridge theory is evident!
You said to Jodi…
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2010,20:46) I took the liberty of removing all the IRRELEVANT 'SQUAG' from your previous Post to me.
You may be 'blind', but you CANNOT be Color Blind” concerning the “Truth” of “YHVH”=63!
This is what you think about everyones post and how you treat them.Now Jodi herself doesn't want to dialogue with you either!
You think that somehow your patronizing will win men over to your view. How sad and how arrogant!
You still haven't given me any links to anyone who believes like you which tells me that either there are none or you would not want me to see who they are and what other heretical garbage they hold to!
WJ
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 01 2010,12:29) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 31 2010,22:32) Stuart and Tim,
I hope iv got this right? I havent read the WHOLE Bible in context but I will give it a go;Uzzah was struck down by God,
DAVID WAS ANGRY AT GOD FOR DOING THAT
David was a Man after Gods own Heart.
David was given a throne.————————————
Abraham was tested by God and asked to sacrifice His own Son to prove His faith and love of God
God stopped Him before He did.
This was How God KNEW Abraham Had great Love and Faith even to give up His Son who He loved to show itBut then,
” God SO LOVED THE WHOLE WORLD that HE gave His only Son.”
He showed His own Faith and love for ALL OF US through this. His own Son was killed instead.And His own Son went down to the dead and brought them back -with Him.
—————————–Gods ways are higher than ours.
God is love.
If you say HIS so was killed then it was not offered but taken.Actually the story of Abraham would suggest exactly what Islam says that God who saved Abraham's son would certainly save his own son as it says in Malachi
Malachi 3:17 (New International Version)
17 “They will be mine,” says the LORD Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. [a] I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him.
In the name of ALLAH the Most Compassionate and Most Merciful.
God's ways are Higher than yours so as Jesus says:
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Hosea 6:5-7God did not offer up HIS son for Sacrifice NOR DID HE THINK IT:
And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Jeremiah 32:34-36It is an abomination to sacrifice a child.
“.. Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”
And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant,
which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins…” (Matthew 26:26)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2010,19:32) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2010,19:31)
How quickly we forget.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 23 2009,07:38) t Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 22 2009,15:05) That verse clearly supports the “Trinitarian” view.
Thank You!The scriptures do not present opposing views or contradictions.
WJ
Ed J
EDSo what is your point?
If I would go and post every time that you have sided against the Trinitarian and for the Anti-Trinitarian then I am quite sure the statistics would show a huge bias on your part against the Trinitarian view as opposed to the apposers!
If I were to guess it is probably like 80% in favour of the Anti-Trinitarians and 20% Trinitarian and that is being gracious.
Do bridges take sides? Or do they touch both sides?
So now “almighty mediator” between the opposing views, where is your converts? Where has any Anti-Trinitarian and Trinitarian come into unity because of you?
The fruit of your “so-called” bridge theory is evident!
You said to Jodi…
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2010,20:46) I took the liberty of removing all the IRRELEVANT 'SQUAG' from your previous Post to me.
You may be 'blind', but you CANNOT be Color Blind” concerning the “Truth” of “YHVH”=63!
This is what you think about everyones post and how you treat them.Now Jodi herself doesn't want to dialogue with you either!
You think that somehow your patronizing will win men over to your view. How sad and how arrogant!
You still haven't given me any links to anyone who believes like you which tells me that either there are none or you would not want me to see who they are and what other heretical garbage they hold to!
WJ
Hi WJ,See you have already begun to change. The delivery of TRUE “Bible Truth” (by me) has soften your tone against me!
Me agreeing with points you make would cause you think (by proxy) that those who hold the view you call anti-Trinitarian are 'wrong'?
I will not encourage this type of behavior from you. Furthermore you would then 'think' you could sway me further to many other beliefs you hold to.This is how 'bad tactics' operate. I will explain 'bad tactics' credo for you.
1) Take advantage of 'every' opportunity (Put in always).
2) What ever you get away with: exploit to increase the potential of it.
3) Only pass on an opportunity to get a better opportunity's to take advantage of.The “Trinitarian” view that is presented by the 'systems of religion' has “Major” flaws.
Primarily, the only flaw in the non-Trinitarian view is that the “Trinitarian” view is 'wrong'.
The “Trinitarian” view encompasses 3/7ths of the “Complete” GOD; and 3/5ths of the “HolyCity”.Thank you for your time,
Ed J (Eccl.9:13-16 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (WorshippingJesus @ April 01 2010,19:32) ED If I were to guess it is probably like 80% in favour of the Anti-Trinitarians and 20% Trinitarian and that is being gracious.
Do bridges take sides? Or do they touch both sides?
So now “almighty mediator” between the opposing views…
WJ
Hi WJ,Bridges allow for travel to both sides!
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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