The Trinity Doctrine

[bodhitharta]

Quote (katjo @ Feb. 21 2010,01:21)

b.d.you are not listening to my answer. why do you think Jesus spoke in parrables? He was teaching us what His Father role is like. He lowered Himself of that position when He came to earth. And was teaching us about the Father(role) and the son(role) He was teaching us who our God is. He talked of himself in both roles, but when He ascended back to heaven, He was all in all. I dont know what more you want. The Jehovah of the Old Testament, is the Jesus of the New Testament. they are one! sitting on the right hand, is not literally “SITTING” AS YOU ARE SEEING IT it is about it being finished,what he came to do, and power, and authority, and ascended back to who He was in the first place.  He is all in all ! how could He literally sit on Gods right side when God is spirit?? God Bless… katjo

I want you to testify here and now, that Jesus does not Worship God.

Can you do that?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (princess of the king @ Feb. 21 2010,01:57)

Quote He talked of himself in both roles Quote I dont know what more you want much more

You believe that Jesus worships God, right?

I worship the God that Jesus worships

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,03:58)

Quote (princess of the king @ Feb. 21 2010,01:57) Quote He talked of himself in both roles Quote I dont know what more you want much more You believe that Jesus worships God, right? I worship the God that Jesus worships

Why do you use the present tense for verbs relating to the actions of Jesus?

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 21 2010,08:42)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,03:58) Quote (princess of the king @ Feb. 21 2010,01:57) Quote He talked of himself in both roles Quote I dont know what more you want much more You believe that Jesus worships God, right? I worship the God that Jesus worships Why do you use the present tense for verbs relating to the actions of Jesus? Stuart

Because Jesus is Alive and Worships God.

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,11:17)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 21 2010,08:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,03:58) Quote (princess of the king @ Feb. 21 2010,01:57) Quote He talked of himself in both roles Quote I dont know what more you want much more You believe that Jesus worships God, right? I worship the God that Jesus worships Why do you use the present tense for verbs relating to the actions of Jesus? Stuart Because Jesus is Alive and Worships God.

But you don't believe in the resurrection, just in the Jesus died and now is looking down from heaven sense of “alive”.

In other words you are asserting a religious myth.

Stuart

[Anonymous]

jesus is the Christ, He is the Lord, and is our God. The Holy Spirit is sent in His name! And I can give you lots of scriptures for all. Have you read the scripture ;You cant say Jesus is Lord without the Holy Spirit? Acts17;24… THE GOD WHO MADE THE WORLD AND EVERYTHING IN IT…..IS THE Lord OF HEAVEN AND EARTH! ACTS 10;36, TELLS US JESUS CHRIST IS Lord OF ALL! He is our LORD GOD!! I can show you more if you'd like.

God Bless…
katjo

[Stu]

Quote (katjo @ Feb. 21 2010,13:31)

jesus is the Christ, He is the Lord, and is our God. The Holy Spirit is sent in His name! And I can give you lots of scriptures for all. Have you read the scripture ;You cant say Jesus is Lord without the Holy Spirit? Acts17;24… THE GOD WHO MADE THE WORLD AND EVERYTHING IN IT…..IS THE Lord OF HEAVEN AND EARTH! ACTS 10;36, TELLS US  JESUS CHRIST IS Lord OF ALL! He is our LORD GOD!! I can show you more if you'd like. God Bless… katjo

I could sit down and write an alternative 'scripture' for you. In that writing, none of the things you claim would be true. You would be completely disproved by the scripture according to Stu.

What would you do then? Try to find other sources that tell me I am wrong?

Where are those other sources then? How do you convince me that the gospels are not a complete fabrication? One example: there was no census at the alleged time of Jesus's birth. So if that is wrong, why should any of it be believed? These were religious writers with a very strong motive to show that their executed leader was the subject of older prophecies. How much else did they invent besides the non-existent census? There is no corroborating evidence for the slaughter of the innocents either. In fact there is no corroborating evidence for Jesus at all. Josephus and Tacitus were recording what christians told them.

Do you understand what a close thing your belief system really is, katjo? You must believe on faith, because there is no evidence for a great deal of it.

Stuart

Stuart

[Anonymous]

B.d. Yes, Jesus prayed to the Father and told us the Father was greater but you are looking over the scripts I have given you, Remember he partially lowered Himself of that role to be like man and was teaching us about the Father, when He talked of the Father, He did not say I am He,(but remember He blessed Thomas for calling him God) and when He talked of the son , He never said, I WILL BE, it was always the Son of man will be HE was teaching us how we are to be with God, and how God is with us! THERE IS ONE LORD WHO IS JESUS WHO HAS ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY, AND WHEN HE ASCENDED BACK TO HEAVEN HE BEACAME ALL IN ALL! TO THE GLORY HE HAD BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. THAT IS SCRIPTUAL, HE IS CALLED THE CHRIST, THE CREATOR, OUR LORD, OUR GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE PRINCE OF PEACE, OUR REDEMMER, OUR SAVIOUR, THE ALMIGHTY, THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST, THE BEGINNING AND THE END, THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS!! I would say we all need him wouldn’t you? If you are not believing in Him, there is no way you can have the Holy Spirit. THAT’S WERE IT ALL STARTS. Your faith has to be in Jesus! Its all very scriptural. When you start truely feeling Him working in your heart, nothing will change your mind. You need to block everything else out of your mind, you have been taught and just PLEASE read Matthew , Mark, Luke, and John ( for a start) from THE KING JAMES ONLY and see who Jesus really is. Your missing out. I promise You!

Acts17;24 The God who made the world and everything in it, IS THE Lord OF HEAVEN AND EARTH! There is another one telling us the Lord(Jesus) is God.

God bless you…
katjo

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 21 2010,13:45)

Quote (katjo @ Feb. 21 2010,13:31) Jesus is the Christ, He is the Lord …I can show you more if you'd like. God Bless… katjo I could sit down and write an alternative 'scripture' for you.  In that writing, none of the things you claim would be true.   You would be completely disproved by the scripture according to Stu. What would you do then?  Try to find other sources that tell me I am wrong? Stuart

Hi Stuart,

Why do say stuff that you have absolutely no desire to put forth the effort to do?
You COULD take a trip to Baghdad Iraq, but your NOT going to do that either?

See satan's 'title' everyone and the context Stuart's using it?
Isaiah 44:26: That confirmeth the word of his servant (Ed J),
                    and performeth the counsel of his messengers…
      
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 21 2010,11:22)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,11:17) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 21 2010,08:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,03:58) Quote (princess of the king @ Feb. 21 2010,01:57) Quote He talked of himself in both roles Quote I dont know what more you want much more You believe that Jesus worships God, right? I worship the God that Jesus worships Why do you use the present tense for verbs relating to the actions of Jesus? Stuart Because Jesus is Alive and Worships God. But you don't believe in the resurrection, just in the Jesus died and now is looking down from heaven sense of “alive”. Stuart

Hi Stuart,

Are you saying BD is a bit inconsistent?

Ed J

[Stu]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2010,15:58)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 21 2010,13:45) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 21 2010,13:31) Jesus is the Christ, He is the Lord …I can show you more if you'd like. God Bless… katjo I could sit down and write an alternative 'scripture' for you.  In that writing, none of the things you claim would be true.   You would be completely disproved by the scripture according to Stu. What would you do then?  Try to find other sources that tell me I am wrong? Stuart Hi Stuart, Why do say stuff that you have absolutely no desire to put forth the effort to do? You COULD take a trip to Baghdad Iraq, but your NOT going to do that either? See satan's 'title' everyone and the context Stuart's using it? Isaiah 44:26: That confirmeth the word of his servant (Ed J),                     and performeth the counsel of his messengers…        God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Dan

Because I have an abstract sense that allows more than just a literal treatment of the subject, I will say that I could write a scripture, but there is no need to actually do it because by writing that the point is made.

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 21 2010,11:22)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,11:17) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 21 2010,08:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,03:58) Quote (princess of the king @ Feb. 21 2010,01:57) Quote He talked of himself in both roles Quote I dont know what more you want much more You believe that Jesus worships God, right? I worship the God that Jesus worships Why do you use the present tense for verbs relating to the actions of Jesus? Stuart Because Jesus is Alive and Worships God. But you don't believe in the resurrection, just in the Jesus died and now is looking down from heaven sense of “alive”. In other words you are asserting a religious myth. Stuart

I didn't say Jesus died.

I believe in the Day of resurrection as Jesus taught it, as he said whoever believes in him he shall raise up on the last day

No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:43-45

John 11:23-25 (King James Version)

23Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (katjo @ Feb. 21 2010,13:31)

jesus is the Christ, He is the Lord, and is our God. The Holy Spirit is sent in His name! And I can give you lots of scriptures for all. Have you read the scripture ;You cant say Jesus is Lord without the Holy Spirit? Acts17;24… THE GOD WHO MADE THE WORLD AND EVERYTHING IN IT…..IS THE Lord OF HEAVEN AND EARTH! ACTS 10;36, TELLS US  JESUS CHRIST IS Lord OF ALL! He is our LORD GOD!! I can show you more if you'd like. God Bless… katjo

Just tell me that Jesus does not worship GOD, that's all I want for you to say if that's what you believe.

I worship the God that Jesus Worships.

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 20:16-18

Does Jesus worship the One and Only TRUE GOD, yes or no?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,17:08)

Quote (katjo @ Feb. 21 2010,13:31) jesus is the Christ, He is the Lord, and is our God. The Holy Spirit is sent in His name! And I can give you lots of scriptures for all. Have you read the scripture ;You cant say Jesus is Lord without the Holy Spirit? Acts17;24… THE GOD WHO MADE THE WORLD AND EVERYTHING IN IT…..IS THE Lord OF HEAVEN AND EARTH! ACTS 10;36, TELLS US  JESUS CHRIST IS Lord OF ALL! He is our LORD GOD!! I can show you more if you'd like. God Bless… katjo Just tell me that Jesus does not worship GOD, that's all I want for you to say if that's what you believe.

Why are you attempting to discredit the Son of GOD by putting words in Katjo's mouth?
You claim to be a believer, do you think this is a wise practice?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (katjo @ Feb. 21 2010,14:19)

B.d. Yes, Jesus prayed to the Father and told us the Father was greater but you are looking over the scripts I have given you, Remember he partially lowered Himself of that role to be like man and was teaching us about the Father, when He talked of the Father, He did not say I am He,(but remember He blessed Thomas for calling him God) and when He talked of the son , He never said, I WILL BE, it was always the Son of man will be HE was teaching us how we are to be with  God, and how God is with us! THERE IS ONE LORD WHO IS JESUS WHO HAS ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY, AND WHEN HE ASCENDED BACK TO HEAVEN HE BEACAME ALL IN ALL! TO THE GLORY HE HAD BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. THAT IS SCRIPTUAL, HE IS CALLED THE CHRIST, THE CREATOR, OUR LORD, OUR GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE PRINCE OF PEACE, OUR REDEMMER, OUR SAVIOUR, THE ALMIGHTY, THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST, THE BEGINNING AND THE END, THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS!! I would say we all need him wouldn’t you? If you are not believing in Him, there is no way you can have the Holy Spirit. THAT’S WERE IT ALL STARTS. Your faith has to be in Jesus! Its all very scriptural. When you start truely feeling Him working in your heart, nothing will change your mind. You need to block everything else out of your mind, you have been taught and just PLEASE read Matthew , Mark, Luke, and John ( for a start) from THE KING JAMES ONLY and see who Jesus really is. Your missing out. I promise You! Acts17;24 The God who made the world and everything in it, IS THE Lord OF HEAVEN AND EARTH! There is another one telling us the Lord(Jesus) is God. God bless you… katjo

You said acts 17:24 is about Jesus but if that's true then what about this?

Acts 17:30-31 (King James Version)

30And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Who is this MAN that they are talking about(Isn't it Jesus?)

Read this carefully and you will find out that the one they call the Unknown GOD is still not known by you

Acts 17:22-34 (King James Version)

22Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

23For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

24God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

30And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

32And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.

33So Paul departed from among them.

34Howbeit certain men clave unto him, and believed: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

Just tell me that Jesus does not worship GOD and I will believe that you believe what you say.

But just remember Jesus also said this:

Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God]/B] and the name of the [B]city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.
Revelation 3:11-13

Jesus keeps talking about his GOD and he is inviting you to worship his GOD. Why is Jesus saying he has a GOD?

Jesus doesn't worship God?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2010,17:15)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,17:08) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 21 2010,13:31) jesus is the Christ, He is the Lord, and is our God. The Holy Spirit is sent in His name! And I can give you lots of scriptures for all. Have you read the scripture ;You cant say Jesus is Lord without the Holy Spirit? Acts17;24… THE GOD WHO MADE THE WORLD AND EVERYTHING IN IT…..IS THE Lord OF HEAVEN AND EARTH! ACTS 10;36, TELLS US  JESUS CHRIST IS Lord OF ALL! He is our LORD GOD!! I can show you more if you'd like. God Bless… katjo Just tell me that Jesus does not worship GOD, that's all I want for you to say if that's what you believe. Why are you attempting to discredit the Son of GOD by putting words in Katjo's mouth? You claim to be a believer, do you think this is a wise practice?

So you think it discredits Jesus to Worship GOD?

Does Jesus worship God, ED?

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,17:03)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 21 2010,11:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,11:17) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 21 2010,08:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,03:58) Quote (princess of the king @ Feb. 21 2010,01:57) Quote He talked of himself in both roles Quote I dont know what more you want much more You believe that Jesus worships God, right? I worship the God that Jesus worships Why do you use the present tense for verbs relating to the actions of Jesus? Stuart Because Jesus is Alive and Worships God. But you don't believe in the resurrection, just in the Jesus died and now is looking down from heaven sense of “alive”. In other words you are asserting a religious myth. Stuart I didn't say Jesus died. I believe in the Day of resurrection as Jesus taught it, as he said whoever believes in him he shall raise up on the last day No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:43-45 John 11:23-25 (King James Version) 23Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

So Jesus is alive, and 2014 years old?

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 21 2010,18:14)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,17:03) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 21 2010,11:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,11:17) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 21 2010,08:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,03:58) Quote (princess of the king @ Feb. 21 2010,01:57) Quote He talked of himself in both roles Quote I dont know what more you want much more You believe that Jesus worships God, right? I worship the God that Jesus worships Why do you use the present tense for verbs relating to the actions of Jesus? Stuart Because Jesus is Alive and Worships God. But you don't believe in the resurrection, just in the Jesus died and now is looking down from heaven sense of “alive”. In other words you are asserting a religious myth. Stuart I didn't say Jesus died. I believe in the Day of resurrection as Jesus taught it, as he said whoever believes in him he shall raise up on the last day No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:43-45 John 11:23-25 (King James Version) 23Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. So Jesus is alive, and 2014 years old? Stuart

Is there a biological reason he can't be alive?

[karmarie]

Hello Katjo,

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karmarie, It is not judgeing when you use Gods word to tell someone different than what they know. That is helping them find the truth. Bible says if someone is doing wrong, tell them you could save there soul.You cant say Jesus is not the Son of God when it is very clear all over the New Testament.  If they teach there was no crucification or ressurection the bible says that is the anti-christ. (scripture says; if any one says Jesus did not come in the flesh,( that’s after ressureciton) they are the anti-christ.

I think theres enough preachers and so on in the world today. Thats ok, theres nothing wrong with that, Thats their thing.
Saving a soul is the right thing to do but theres many different ways to actually do that. Were all different. Some are loud, some say alot, some are quiet etc, were all different Katjo! lol

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Do you not follow the King James? If not you would get a whole different view of Gods word. Do you know what the Dead Sea Scrolls are? That is the oldest written bible there was, and it matches almost word for word of the King James.  I so encourage you to study it!

I have read the bible (once)and I remember what I need to when I need to. It all comes to my memory from just reading it the once. I see no point in studying and going over and over things. God can show people what He will if they have faith and trust in Him. Which I do! Have you ever 'heard God' or felt God there? I have. and I do.

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I don’t want to sound harsh but I heard a speaker say before that the Quran teaches satin is in your nose, and that if a woman does not obey a man  it is o.k. to beat her?? That really bothers me. Gods word would never say that. Is that what you believe? Please explain!

Katjo- what did you mean-the Quran says Satan was in your nose? I dont get that lol.
 
Yes they do have different ways, but I also learn alot off their good ways. For example, when our two youngest get into a fight or if one of them hurts the other, they are made to hug and if it gets too carried away then the one who is in the wrong has to give the other his pocket money and hug and say sorry. Guess what? It works. They are best friends. And guess what? I learnt it from Muslims! So theres always bad things but also good:)

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,19:17)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 21 2010,18:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,17:03) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 21 2010,11:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,11:17) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 21 2010,08:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2010,03:58) Quote (princess of the king @ Feb. 21 2010,01:57) Quote He talked of himself in both roles Quote I dont know what more you want much more You believe that Jesus worships God, right? I worship the God that Jesus worships Why do you use the present tense for verbs relating to the actions of Jesus? Stuart Because Jesus is Alive and Worships God. But you don't believe in the resurrection, just in the Jesus died and now is looking down from heaven sense of “alive”. In other words you are asserting a religious myth. Stuart I didn't say Jesus died. I believe in the Day of resurrection as Jesus taught it, as he said whoever believes in him he shall raise up on the last day No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:43-45 John 11:23-25 (King James Version) 23Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. So Jesus is alive, and 2014 years old? Stuart Is there a biological reason he can't be alive?

Yes, his telomeres will have well and truly unravelled by now. Certainly they were getting pretty useless by about 130CE.

If he existed at all.

Stuart

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