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Quote (katjo @ Feb. 20 2010,02:54) Karmarie and B.d. You are still not getting it, we absolutely do not leave God out. He is spirit who came in the flesh. You were once just a spirit too. Your spirit lives in a body, but your still the same person. And B.d. Jesus was not created, He was the first of all creation, does not mean He was created, He was first before all. That is all scriptual. And was also the creator! COL.1;16 TELLS US ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. BY HIM AND FOR HIM.HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS AND BY HIM ALL THINGS ARE HELD TOGETHER.(2;6)so than just as you receive JESUS CHRIST AS LORD, CONTINUE TO LIVE IN HIM. 1;27 SAYS; to them God has chosen to make known among the gentiles the glorious riches of the MYSTERY, WHICH IS CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY! There is only one Lord God, and if you cant beleive Jesus is Lord than you cant have the Holy Spirit. im sorry but thats Bible truth! 1CORITH.12;3 NO ONE CAN SAY, JESUS IS LORD, EXCEPT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. He came unto His own to take on the sin of the world, to be your Savior. Look how many miracles he done, how He suffered for our sin. There's one scripture that says when He casted out demons out of some men He wouldnt let the demons speak because they knew who He was. when Jesus was in the boat with the disciples and He calmed the sea, they said; who is this man that even the winds obey Him? He became man just like us, but was more than just a ordinary man. and when He accomplished what He came to do, He ascended back to the glory He had BEFORE THE WORLD WAS! than when He returns in Rev. hE IS THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. The old testament tells us our King will come riding on a donkey,(which Jesus did) but when He comes in Rev. He is riding on a white Stallion. He came to take away our sins but also to teach us about the Father(his role as Father) He partially left that authority when He came to earth, and is telling you the FAther is greater, but there still wasnt nothing He couldnt do if He wanted to. I Gave you scripture that tells us HE IS LORD, and That were He is called God. Even in Acts It tells us God shed His blood! How do you deny them scriptures? Why is so hard to beleive that God(spirit) came in the flesh to take on the sins of His people ( lowered His self) and returned to heaven to be all in all. Its not impossible, HE IS GOD! It makes me think, wow! what a awesome God. We do not take nothing away from God! There is only one Lord God. So how do you deny scripts that say He is Lord( all over the New Testament) and is even called God, and still deny it? I feel like there is so much frustration here from people trying to pick and wonder about scripts, when I dont see it that way at all! I just read and enjoy Gods word, when I read the Father(role) is greater I know its because He humbled Himself to become man but returns to being all in all. The word is Jesus, He is who our faith is to be in, He is our Savior, our redeemer, our Everlasting Father, who we are waiting on, and will spend eternity with. I could not feel like He was going to save my soul If my faith was not in Him! He is going to save your soul from going to hell, and you dont show Him any glory? He is the only door to heaven, its all over scripture..I just cant understand, how you deny so many scriptures..and the detail about the egg, it would not be a whole egg without one of its parts. they are three, yet one! LET THE WORD OF CHRIST DWELL IN YOU RICHLY!(COL.3;16 1 Corinth.11;26 As often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.
GOD BLESS YOU BOTH…
katjo
Hi Katjo. I dont disagree with you, I dont agree or disagree with the trinity because I dont have enough understanding of it. I know Jesus is important, I knew about Jesus all of my life, but then I came to know the Father too. God. Where I have the problem is when people try to say the God Allah (Arabic for God) is another God or even Satan, this is my issue. Ask any Muslim who they pray to and they will say- the same God of the bible, God who created the heavens and the earth, the same God of the Christians and Jews.Juduism rejects Jesus completly. Muslims accepted Jesus and love him though differently. Christians went so far as saying Jesus was God in the flesh. Maybe we are all wrong?
We all have different things to do, different callings. You are really good at making a point, and arent scared to do so. That is good. I think for me it is standing by Muslm people without judging or trying to change them in any way. Much like the Catholic man I saw on tv helping the Gazans, without judgment, just caring for them, that is all. We all have different things to do.
God bless you Katjo.
Quote (katjo @ Feb. 20 2010,02:54) Karmarie and B.d. You are still not getting it, (2)Jesus was not created, (1)He was the first of all creation,
GOD BLESS YOU BOTH…
katjo
Hi Katjo,What kind of double-talk is this? Explain this?
What you have is a Yes/No. 1=Yes and 2=NO.
Something is “Always” wrong with a Yes/No?Try not to make any contradictions in your explanation; OK?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgWhat contradictions are there Ed? Jesus was first over all! everything! He was not created. All things were made by Him and for Him.. you know it tells us this in Col.1.
katjo
B.D. I explained to you when he came in the flesh, to be like man, He lowered Himself of Father(role) Teaching in parrables about the Father (role) so at the time Yes, the Father was greater, but He returned to that glory, after He accomplished what He came to do. and scripture says than he is all in all! He never did say, I am God(but He blessed Thomas for it) and He never did say I am the son of Man either. He always said; The son of Man will have to… not I will have to, thats why He spoke in parrables teaching us His human and God role. Ephesians 2;13 (king James) But know in Christ jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. (14) HE IS OUR PEACE., WHO HATH MADE BOTH ONE, AND HATH BROKEN DOWN THE MIDDLE WALL OF PARTITION BETWEEN US (15) HAVING ABOLISHED IN HIS FLESH THE ENMITY, EVEN THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDANCES; FOR TO MAKE IN HIMSELF OF TWAIN ONE NEW MAN, SO MAKING PEACE. Ephesians 4;20 But you have not so learned Christ (21) If so be that ye have heard Him, and have been TAUGHT BY HIM, AS THE TRUTH IS IN JESUS! Col.1;26 Even the mystery which has been hid for ages and from generations, and now is made manifest unto His saints; (27) To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the gentiles; WHICH IS CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY.
Col. 2;8 Beware least any man spoil you through philosphy and vain deceit, after the traditions of man, after the rudiments of the world, AND NOT AFTER CHRIST. 3;4 WHEN CHRIST WHO IS OUR LIFE SHALL APPEAR, THAN SHALL YOU ALSO APPEAR WITH HIM IN GLORY (11) TELLS US CHRIST IS ALL AND IN ALL.! Im going to stop. I could go on and on. I hope you think about these scripts…
God Bless…
katjoKarmarie, Hello! Is there God Jehovah? And what do they teach about Jesus? Do you beleive Jesus is Lord?
God Bless..
katjoQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 20 2010,10:52) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 20 2010,02:54) Karmarie and B.d. You are still not getting it, (2)Jesus was not created, (1)He was the first of all creation,
GOD BLESS YOU BOTH…
katjo
Hi Katjo,What kind of double-talk is this? Explain this?
What you have is a Yes/No. 1=Yes and 2=NO.
Something is “Always” wrong with a Yes/No?Try not to make any contradictions in your explanation; OK?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
HI Katjo,Why do you have trouble understanding my question?
First you say: Jesus was not created.
Then next you say: Jesus (In essence) was created first.
That is a no/yes. That is what you need to explain; OK?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (katjo @ Feb. 20 2010,13:42) Karmarie, Hello! Is there God Jehovah? And what do they teach about Jesus? Do you beleive Jesus is Lord? God Bless..
katjo
Hi KatjoMuslims believe in Jehovah in the bible as God (WHom they call Allah which is Arabic for God), and that Jesus is the Messiah, born of the virgin Mary.
And are awaiting his return as Christians are. The difference is that they believe Jesus to be a messenger not 'the only Son of God who was there at creation. It is a belief similar to the Ebionites or Nazerenes, just after Jesus was killed they existed and were anti- Paul, Paul is who started the Churches you see today. I dont have the time to cheak what I just said though, its just going from distant memory.Yes I do believe Jesus is Lord as in the Son of God.
Quote (katjo @ Feb. 20 2010,13:32) B.D. I explained to you when he came in the flesh, to be like man, He lowered Himself of Father(role) Teaching in parrables about the Father (role) so at the time Yes, the Father was greater, but He returned to that glory, after He accomplished what He came to do. and scripture says than he is all in all! He never did say, I am God(but He blessed Thomas for it) and He never did say I am the son of Man either. He always said; The son of Man will have to… not I will have to, thats why He spoke in parrables teaching us His human and God role. Ephesians 2;13 (king James) But know in Christ jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. (14) HE IS OUR PEACE., WHO HATH MADE BOTH ONE, AND HATH BROKEN DOWN THE MIDDLE WALL OF PARTITION BETWEEN US (15) HAVING ABOLISHED IN HIS FLESH THE ENMITY, EVEN THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDANCES; FOR TO MAKE IN HIMSELF OF TWAIN ONE NEW MAN, SO MAKING PEACE. Ephesians 4;20 But you have not so learned Christ (21) If so be that ye have heard Him, and have been TAUGHT BY HIM, AS THE TRUTH IS IN JESUS! Col.1;26 Even the mystery which has been hid for ages and from generations, and now is made manifest unto His saints; (27) To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the gentiles; WHICH IS CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY.
Col. 2;8 Beware least any man spoil you through philosphy and vain deceit, after the traditions of man, after the rudiments of the world, AND NOT AFTER CHRIST. 3;4 WHEN CHRIST WHO IS OUR LIFE SHALL APPEAR, THAN SHALL YOU ALSO APPEAR WITH HIM IN GLORY (11) TELLS US CHRIST IS ALL AND IN ALL.! Im going to stop. I could go on and on. I hope you think about these scripts…
God Bless…
katjo
I simply aske you a question that you will not answer.WHO is THE GOD of JESUS?. I didn't ask you about roles that Jesus plays I asked did you believe that Jesus has a God to Worship?
Do you believe that Jesus is now at the right hand of GOD?
If you don't believe that just say so but please answer.
Is Jesus at the right hand of GOD?
Quote (katjo @ Feb. 20 2010,13:42) Karmarie, Hello! 1) Is there God Jehovah?
2) And what do they teach about Jesus?
3) Do you beleive Jesus is Lord?God Bless..
katjo
Hi Katjo,1) Their God is allah, which is like saying their god is god;
because allah=66(in Arabic) is a 'title'=66, which merely means god.
allah is described as a different god than “The God”(YHVH=63) of “The Bible”=63.
Jehovah is a Name, translated from The Hebrew [יהוה] (YHVH) YÄ-hä-vā.2) They teach Jesus was a faithful servant of their god.
They teach allah (a different god from “The God”(YHVH) of The bible) has no son
(this phrase is inscribed on the 'dome of the rock' at the temple mount in Jerusalem).
They teach there was (falsely) No Crucifixion, (falsely) no resurrection, (falsely) No blood atonement; (=No Gospel).
BD believes the new Testament (falsely) to be false, yet he quotes from it ONLY to bolster the 'book of fraud'.
3) Muslims Believe Jesus was no more than a prophet, and a lesser one than Mohammad (who they call the last and greatest).They consider the quran (their holy book) to be 666 (Rev.13:11,18);
so 1John 2:22 applies directly to Islam: which means 'forced submission'.
If you have any more questions about what they believe, I will be glad to answer them for you.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 20 2010,15:55) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 20 2010,13:42) Karmarie, Hello! 1) Is there God Jehovah?
2) And what do they teach about Jesus?
3) Do you beleive Jesus is Lord?God Bless..
katjo
Hi Katjo,1) Their God is allah, which is like saying their god is god;
because allah=66(in Arabic) is a 'title'=66, which merely means god.
allah is described as a different god than “The God”(YHVH=63) of “The Bible”=63.
Jehovah is a Name, translated from The Hebrew [יהוה] (YHVH) YÄ-hä-vā.2) They teach Jesus was a faithful servant of their god.
They teach allah (a different god from “The God”(YHVH) of The bible) has no son
(this phrase is inscribed on the 'dome of the rock' at the temple mount in Jerusalem).
They teach there was (falsely) No Crucifixion, (falsely) no resurrection, (falsely) No blood atonement; (=No Gospel).
BD believes the new Testament (falsely) to be false, yet he quotes from it ONLY to bolster the 'book of fraud'.
3) Muslims Believe Jesus was no more than a prophet, and a lesser one than Mohammad (who they call the last and greatest).They consider the quran (their holy book) to be 666 (Rev.13:11,18);
so 1John 2:22 applies directly to Islam: which means 'forced submission'.
If you have any more questions about what they believe, I will be glad to answer them for you.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Why do you love to lie ED?But since you insist on wanting to be so wise.
Please tell me if Jesus “died” for the sins of the world
Why were those who following him still making offereings at the temple?
Acts 18:18 (King James Version)
18And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow.
Why is it that sacrifices were still being offered?
Acts 21:26 (King James Version)
26Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 20 2010,17:01) 1) Why do you love to lie ED? 2) But since you insist on wanting to be so wise.
Please tell me if Jesus “died” for the sins of the world
Hi BD,1) What are you referring to? Can't stand to see your own reflection?
Psalm 18:25-27 With the merciful thou (YHVH) will show thyself merciful;
with an upright man thou (YHVH) will show thyself upright;
With the pure thou (YHVH) will show thyself pure; and with
the froward thou (YHVH) will show thyself froward. For thou
will save the afflicted people; but will bring down high looks.2) Matt.1:21 And she shall bring forth a son,
and thou shalt call his name JESUS:
for he shall save his people from their sins.
Acts 43 To him give all the prophets witness,
that through his name whosoever believeth
in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words,
the HolySpirit fell on all them which heard the word.
Romans 5:8 God commendeth his love toward us,
in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.God bless you my brother!
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed
So what about the first half of the chapter of 1 John 2?1 John 2
1 My little children, these things write I unto you that ye may not sin. And if any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 and he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole world.
3 And hereby we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
5 but whoso keepeth his word, in him verily hath the love of God been perfected. Hereby we know that we are in him:
6 he that saith he abideth in him ought himself also to walk even as he walked.
7 Beloved, no new commandment write I unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning: the old commandment is the word which ye heard.
8 Again, a new commandment write I unto you, which thing is true in him and in you; because the darkness is passing away, and the true light already shineth.
9 He that saith he is in the light and hateth his brother, is in the darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is no occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in the darkness, and walketh in the darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because the darkness hath blinded his eyes.
12 I write unto you, my little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye know him who is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the evil one. I have written unto you, little children, because ye know the Father.
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye know him who is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the evil one.
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the vain glory of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
——————-Would this not more so apply to todays Christianity that hates, judges, kills and invades And all in the name of God?
Is that loving your brother?
——————-18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they all are not of us.
20 And ye have an anointing from the Holy One, and ye know all the things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and because no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is the liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, even he that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that confesseth the Son hath the Father also.
24 As for you, let that abide in you which ye heard from the beginning. If that which ye heard from the beginning abide in you, ye also shall abide in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise which he promised us, even the life eternal.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that would lead you astray.
27 And as for you, the anointing which ye received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any one teach you; but as his anointing teacheth you; concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, ye abide in him.
28 And now, my little children, abide in him; that, if he shall be manifested, we may have boldness, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one also that doeth righteousness is begotten of him.——————–
You say this applies to Islam
But is calling the Son God not wrong too? Would Jesus really want his Father to be forgotten? Truely?
Who is really worse than who?
——————-And did not Jesus say that this is what we would be judged for
[I]31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory
. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world
. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40“The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’
41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45“He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment,but the righteous to eternal life.”And who is here written as the righteous but he who did those things, fed the hungry, clothed the naked, gave water to the thirsty, visited them in prison, in other words, he who loved his brother.
karmarie, It is not judgeing when you use Gods word to tell someone different than what they know. That is helping them find the truth. Bible says if someone is doing wrong, tell them you could save there soul. Do you not follow the King James? If not you would get a whole different view of Gods word. You cant say Jesus is not the Son of God when it is very clear all over the New Testament. If they teach there was no crucification or ressurection the bible says that is the anti-christ. (scripture says; if any one says Jesus did not come in the flesh,( that’s after ressureciton) they are the anti-christ. Do you know what the Dead Sea Scrolls are? That is the oldest written bible there was, and it matches almost word for word of the King James. I so encourage you to study it! I don’t want to sound harsh but I heard a speaker say before that the Quran teaches satin is in your nose, and that if a woman does not obey a man it is o.k. to beat her?? That really bothers me. Gods word would never say that. Is that what you believe? Please explain!
God Bless…
katjoEd, what I am saying Is Jesus was not created, He was the first before anything, CREATOR! It is clear in scripts. and you know that, It is all about Him and for Him.
katjo
katjo
will ask the same of you as tt, if jesus is all you need, then why do you bring in father and spirit to your teachings.
b.d.you are not listening to my answer. why do you think Jesus spoke in parrables? He was teaching us what His Father role is like. He lowered Himself of that position when He came to earth. And was teaching us about the Father(role) and the son(role) He was teaching us who our God is. He talked of himself in both roles, but when He ascended back to heaven, He was all in all. I dont know what more you want. The Jehovah of the Old Testament, is the Jesus of the New Testament. they are one!
sitting on the right hand, is not literally “SITTING” AS YOU ARE SEEING IT
it is about it being finished,what he came to do, and power, and authority, and ascended back to who He was in the first place. He is all in all ! how could He literally sit on Gods right side when God is spirit??God Bless…
katjo
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 20 2010,20:04) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 20 2010,17:01) 1) Why do you love to lie ED? 2) But since you insist on wanting to be so wise.
Please tell me if Jesus “died” for the sins of the world
Hi BD,1) What are you referring to? Can't stand to see your own reflection?
Psalm 18:25-27 With the merciful thou (YHVH) will show thyself merciful;
with an upright man thou (YHVH) will show thyself upright;
With the pure thou (YHVH) will show thyself pure; and with
the froward thou (YHVH) will show thyself froward. For thou
will save the afflicted people; but will bring down high looks.2) Matt.1:21 And she shall bring forth a son,
and thou shalt call his name JESUS:
for he shall save his people from their sins.
Acts 43 To him give all the prophets witness,
that through his name whosoever believeth
in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words,
the HolySpirit fell on all them which heard the word.
Romans 5:8 God commendeth his love toward us,
in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.God bless you my brother!
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote he shall save his people from their sins And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luke 1:32-34But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:23-25But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 10:5-7Also I asked you why is it that sacrifices were still being offered after the “crucifixion” why was Paul sacrificing animals at the temple? Acts 21:23-26
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