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Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2010,19:19) No crucifixion needed for God to forgive your understanding is lacking. I have no questions to ask because you have nothing to discuss, you are not being honest, you are making false accusations, You manipulate your methods and frankly you are not a reliable witness agreeing with atheist about the nature of God.
I have joined other sites that you have joined and I will make sure that your nonsense doesn't go unchecked until you grasp the ideas of virtue and honesty.
What you lack is: “BIBLE PERCEPTION“=151, needed to understand “BIBLE TRUTH“=117 ! (Eph.4:22-24)
The “THREE” main “FEASTS OF GOD” are…
1) “The Passover”=148; made possible by
“JESUS MESSIAH”=1482) “Pentecost”=117 started the “Former Rain”=117 of
“GOD THE FATHER”=117; “Spirit [of] God”=117(Holy Spirit)3) “Feast of Booths”=151 begins “The Latter Rain”=151 of the
“HOLY SPIRIT”=151(God The Father); “Feast [of] Tabernacles”=151.The First of the “Three” Great feasts of God !
74+74=“The Passover“=148!
Crucifixion: 'the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil' is destroyed! (Romans 6:6)Mark 8:29-33 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.
And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.
And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things,
and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes,
AND BE KILLED (Gospel=74), and after three days rise again.
And he spake that saying openly.
And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.
But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples,
he (Jesus=74) rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan:
for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.Bod, from this conversation with you, I have become convinced that:
1) Jesus is The Son of God, unique and different, there at the beginning of creation and before any of us,
hidden but then revealed. Not just a Prophet.2) The crucifixion happened, Jesus was murdered, Jesus rose again.
But just because that happened it is no excuse for us. I wont say “Im a sinner but its ok cause Jesus died for my sins” cause I dont see it like that. Instead I see it as Jesus stood the true test of faith with his life, temptations, teaching of God, obediance, submission, and death. He also told us to do the same. And if we also need to lose our life even if just to get the truth to whomever God leads us to.Where does Islam come into all that for me? In alot of ways. I learn alot from the example of Islam. One example- prisoners in Guantonomo despite their treatment and torture they stay strong in their faith and are still seen submiting to God and praying. I could think of many other things. But I dont have the time:)
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 15 2010,12:05) Bod, from this conversation with you, I have become convinced that: 1) Jesus is The Son of God, unique and different, there at the beginning of creation and before any of us,
hidden but then revealed. Not just a Prophet.2) The crucifixion happened, Jesus was murdered, Jesus rose again.
But just because that happened it is no excuse for us. I wont say “Im a sinner but its ok cause Jesus died for my sins” cause I dont see it like that. Instead I see it as Jesus stood the true test of faith with his life, temptations, teaching of God, obediance, submission, and death. He also told us to do the same. And if we also need to lose our life even if just to get the truth to whomever God leads us to.Where does Islam come into all that for me? In alot of ways. I learn alot from the example of Islam. One example- prisoners in Guantonomo despite their treatment and torture they stay strong in their faith and are still seen submiting to God and praying. I could think of many other things. But I dont have the time:)
May ALLAH bless you and guide you!
B.D.YOU CANNOT HAVE GOD IF YOU DO NOT EXCEPT JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOR! HE IS THE ONLY WAY! AND YOU CANNOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT UNTIL YOU DO! I have heard a little on the Quran, and was told that the word they follow says its o.k. for a man to beat a women if she doesnt obey. Is that true? God would never except that!!
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Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 15 2010,13:50) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 15 2010,12:05) Bod, from this conversation with you, I have become convinced that: 1) Jesus is The Son of God, unique and different, there at the beginning of creation and before any of us,
hidden but then revealed. Not just a Prophet.2) The crucifixion happened, Jesus was murdered, Jesus rose again.
But just because that happened it is no excuse for us. I wont say “Im a sinner but its ok cause Jesus died for my sins” cause I dont see it like that. Instead I see it as Jesus stood the true test of faith with his life, temptations, teaching of God, obediance, submission, and death. He also told us to do the same. And if we also need to lose our life even if just to get the truth to whomever God leads us to.Where does Islam come into all that for me? In alot of ways. I learn alot from the example of Islam. One example- prisoners in Guantonomo despite their treatment and torture they stay strong in their faith and are still seen submiting to God and praying. I could think of many other things. But I dont have the time:)
May ALLAH bless you and guide you!
Now you accept the FACT of the Crucifixion?Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 15 2010,13:50) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 15 2010,12:05) Bod, from this conversation with you, I have become convinced that: 1) Jesus is The Son of God, unique and different, there at the beginning of creation and before any of us,
hidden but then revealed. Not just a Prophet.2) The crucifixion happened, Jesus was murdered, Jesus rose again.
But just because that happened it is no excuse for us. I wont say “Im a sinner but its ok cause Jesus died for my sins” cause I dont see it like that. Instead I see it as Jesus stood the true test of faith with his life, temptations, teaching of God, obediance, submission, and death. He also told us to do the same. And if we also need to lose our life even if just to get the truth to whomever God leads us to.Where does Islam come into all that for me? In alot of ways. I learn alot from the example of Islam. One example- prisoners in Guantonomo despite their treatment and torture they stay strong in their faith and are still seen submiting to God and praying. I could think of many other things. But I dont have the time:)
May ALLAH bless you and guide you!Thankyou Bod and may Allah bless and guide you too!
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 15 2010,14:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 15 2010,13:50) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 15 2010,12:05) Bod, from this conversation with you, I have become convinced that: 1) Jesus is The Son of God, unique and different, there at the beginning of creation and before any of us,
hidden but then revealed. Not just a Prophet.2) The crucifixion happened, Jesus was murdered, Jesus rose again.
But just because that happened it is no excuse for us. I wont say “Im a sinner but its ok cause Jesus died for my sins” cause I dont see it like that. Instead I see it as Jesus stood the true test of faith with his life, temptations, teaching of God, obediance, submission, and death. He also told us to do the same. And if we also need to lose our life even if just to get the truth to whomever God leads us to.Where does Islam come into all that for me? In alot of ways. I learn alot from the example of Islam. One example- prisoners in Guantonomo despite their treatment and torture they stay strong in their faith and are still seen submiting to God and praying. I could think of many other things. But I dont have the time:)
May ALLAH bless you and guide you!
Now you accept the FACT of the Crucifixion?
Hi Ed-who?
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 15 2010,18:52) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 15 2010,14:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 15 2010,13:50) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 15 2010,12:05) Bod, from this conversation with you, I have become convinced that: 1) Jesus is The Son of God, unique and different, there at the beginning of creation and before any of us,
hidden but then revealed. Not just a Prophet.2) The crucifixion happened, Jesus was murdered, Jesus rose again.
But just because that happened it is no excuse for us. I wont say “Im a sinner but its ok cause Jesus died for my sins” cause I dont see it like that. Instead I see it as Jesus stood the true test of faith with his life, temptations, teaching of God, obediance, submission, and death. He also told us to do the same. And if we also need to lose our life even if just to get the truth to whomever God leads us to.Where does Islam come into all that for me? In alot of ways. I learn alot from the example of Islam. One example- prisoners in Guantonomo despite their treatment and torture they stay strong in their faith and are still seen submiting to God and praying. I could think of many other things. But I dont have the time:)
May ALLAH bless you and guide you!
Now you accept the FACT of the Crucifixion?
Hi Ed-who?
Hi Karmarie,Who; Point #2 in your Post, that's who.
Why BD of course, your the one who posted it, I can't mean you.Ed J
I believe Jesus was killed and died and rose again but still cant understand why it had to happen to remove sin, this is what I still dont get.
So what does this mean:
-Matthew 26
Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples,
and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”
And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you,
for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.Theses are the cross references
Exodus 24:8
And Moses took the blood and threw it on the people and said, “Behold the blood of the covenant that the LORD has made with you in accordance with all these words.”Zechariah 9:11
As for you also, because of the blood of my covenant with you,
I will set your prisoners free from the waterless pit.Matthew 20:28
even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many——————-
But then this:
Matthew 9;13
go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'Which I got when skimming through this
http://gospelenigma.com/
Which I dont have the time to read——————
Iv looked on the web but cant find much,and dont know what exactly im looking for.Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 15 2010,14:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 15 2010,13:50) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 15 2010,12:05) Bod, from this conversation with you, I have become convinced that: 1) Jesus is The Son of God, unique and different, there at the beginning of creation and before any of us,
hidden but then revealed. Not just a Prophet.2) The crucifixion happened, Jesus was murdered, Jesus rose again.
But just because that happened it is no excuse for us. I wont say “Im a sinner but its ok cause Jesus died for my sins” cause I dont see it like that. Instead I see it as Jesus stood the true test of faith with his life, temptations, teaching of God, obediance, submission, and death. He also told us to do the same. And if we also need to lose our life even if just to get the truth to whomever God leads us to.Where does Islam come into all that for me? In alot of ways. I learn alot from the example of Islam. One example- prisoners in Guantonomo despite their treatment and torture they stay strong in their faith and are still seen submiting to God and praying. I could think of many other things. But I dont have the time:)
May ALLAH bless you and guide you!
Now you accept the FACT of the Crucifixion?
No, I don't need to accept the crucifixion to say “May God bless you and guide you”I do want GOD to bless and guide Karmarie and any Believer
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 16 2010,09:45) I believe Jesus was killed and died and rose again but still cant understand why it had to happen to remove sin, this is what I still dont get. So what does this mean:
-Matthew 26
Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples,
and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”
And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you,
for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.Theses are the cross references
Exodus 24:8
And Moses took the blood and threw it on the people and said, “Behold the blood of the covenant that the LORD has made with you in accordance with all these words.”Zechariah 9:11
As for you also, because of the blood of my covenant with you,
I will set your prisoners free from the waterless pit.Matthew 20:28
even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many——————-
But then this:
Matthew 9;13
go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'Which I got when skimming through this
http://gospelenigma.com/
Which I dont have the time to read——————
Iv looked on the web but cant find much,and dont know what exactly im looking for.
Mark 14 (King James Version)25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
Now Jesus did not lie so who was on the cross that drank wine?
A jar full of sour wine was standing there. So they put a sponge full of the wine on a branch of hyssop and held it to his mouth. When Jesus had received the wine, he said, 'It is finished.' Then he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. (John 19:29-30; cf. Mt 27:48, Mk 15:36; NRSV)
This word, oxos in Greek, is translated as “vinegar” in the King James Version. Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (4th ed., 1901, rep. by Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, MI, 1977) defines it (Strong's word #3690) as follows:
. . . used in the NT for Latin 'posca,' i.e., the mixture of sour wine or vinegar and water which the Roman soldiers were accustomed to drink. (p. 449)
In fact, the Roman soldiers offered this drink to Jesus before the crucifixion, and He refused (Mt 27:34, Lk 23:36, Mk 15:23). But the interesting thing is that the best texts of Mt 27:34 have the NT word for “wine,” oinos (Strong's #3631), rather than oxos, thus strongly inferring that what Jesus was given on the cross was indeed wine, not vinegar. Likewise, even the KJV manuscripts (older and now outdated) have oinos at Mk 15:23:
And they gave him to drink wine [oinos] mingled with myrhh: but he received it not. (KJV)
Jesus refused this drink because it contained myrhh, which – combined with alcohol – would have had a narcotic effect. But he accepted this same drink without the myrhh on the cross, just before He died (John 19:29-30; cf. Mt 27:48, Mk 15:36). Some might still dispute that it was (or contained wine, with alcohol), but several modern translations render oxos at John 19:29-30, Mt 27:48, and Mk 15:36 as “wine,” “sour wine,” or similar description:
Also Jesus said to God:
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Luke 22:41-43So being that Jesus is not ignorant and is obedient who on the cross is saying this?:
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Matthew 27:45-47Thanks
I will reflect on that.John baptised for the forgivness of sins, etc, the link I had before its chapter 6 of the book, which explains some of it.
Gets confusing though for my mind anyway!Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 16 2010,11:52) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 15 2010,14:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 15 2010,13:50) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 15 2010,12:05) Bod, from this conversation with you, I have become convinced that: 1) Jesus is The Son of God, unique and different, there at the beginning of creation and before any of us,
hidden but then revealed. Not just a Prophet.2) The crucifixion happened, Jesus was murdered, Jesus rose again.
But just because that happened it is no excuse for us. I wont say “Im a sinner but its ok cause Jesus died for my sins” cause I dont see it like that. Instead I see it as Jesus stood the true test of faith with his life, temptations, teaching of God, obediance, submission, and death. He also told us to do the same. And if we also need to lose our life even if just to get the truth to whomever God leads us to.Where does Islam come into all that for me? In alot of ways. I learn alot from the example of Islam. One example- prisoners in Guantonomo despite their treatment and torture they stay strong in their faith and are still seen submiting to God and praying. I could think of many other things. But I dont have the time:)
May ALLAH bless you and guide you!
Now you accept the FACT of the Crucifixion?
No, I don't need to accept the crucifixion to say “May God bless you and guide you”I do want GOD to bless and guide Karmarie and any Believer
John 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, (this applies directly to you as well; BD!)
Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. (1John 2:22)
These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him;
for his hour (The Crucifixion) was not yet come. Then said Jesus again unto them,
I go my way, and ye shall seek me, AND YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS: whither I go, ye cannot come.Hebrews 9:16 For where a “TESTAMENT”=117 is, there must also of necessity
be the death of the “TESTATOR”=151 (“Jesus Christ”=151 is this testator: WHO YOU REJECT).
For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. For when Moses
had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves
and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. Moreover he sprinkled
with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. And almost all things
are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission(OF SINS).Then No Part in The NEW “Testament“=117 for you!
PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgBut Ed if there is no forgivness of sins without the shedding of blood – as it says in Hebrews – then why was John baptising for the forgivness of sins? And also why was Jesus out with John both in agreement over this baptism, and speaking of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, but Jesus was against the Pharisees who followed the other ways (the shedding of blood)
I know there is other older threads about that so I think I will read up on them. I just dont get it. Everything else I do. But I also havent read Pauls books- nor plan to anytime too soon?
And at the last supper, just afterwards Jesus said
… It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Jesus as the Son of God- Amen
Jesus suffered, died, and was risen (Not someone else)- AmenBut this other stuff- I dont get.
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 16 2010,13:55) But Ed if there is no forgivness of sins without the shedding of blood – as it says in Hebrews – then why was John baptising for the forgivness of sins? And also why was Jesus out with John both in agreement over this baptism, and speaking of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, but Jesus was against the Pharisees who followed the other ways (the shedding of blood) I know there is other older threads about that so I think I will read up on them. I just dont get it. Everything else I do. But I also havent read Pauls books- nor plan to anytime too soon?
Hi Karmarie,That was a “shadow picture” of the “Gospel” of Jesus Christ!
“The death burial and resurrection”. How come you cannot see this?Ed J
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 16 2010,13:58) And at the last supper, just afterwards Jesus said … It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Hi Karmarie,People need: “BIBLE PERCEPTION“=151, to understand TRUE “BIBLE TRUTH“=117 ! (Eph.4:22-24)
The “THREE” main “FEASTS OF GOD” are…
1) “The Passover”=148; made possible by
“JESUS MESSIAH”=1482) “Pentecost”=117 started the “Former Rain”=117 of
“GOD THE FATHER”=117; “Spirit [of] God”=117(Holy Spirit)3) “Feast of Booths”=151 begins “The Latter Rain”=151 of the
“HOLY SPIRIT”=151(God The Father); “Feast [of] Tabernacles”=151.Without the Crucifixion(The Passover), the is no giving of the “HolySpirit” to believers(Pentecost)!
That's why!
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 16 2010,12:58) Mark 14 (King James Version) 25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
Now Jesus did not lie so who was on the cross that drank wine?
A jar full of sour wine was standing there. So they put a sponge full of the wine on a branch of hyssop and held it to his mouth. When Jesus had received the wine, he said, 'It is finished.' Then he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. (John 19:29-30; cf. Mt 27:48, Mk 15:36; NRSV)
This word, oxos in Greek, is translated as “vinegar” in the King James Version. Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (4th ed., 1901, rep. by Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, MI, 1977) defines it (Strong's word #3690) as follows:
. . . used in the NT for Latin 'posca,' i.e., the mixture of sour wine or vinegar and water which the Roman soldiers were accustomed to drink. (p. 449)
In fact, the Roman soldiers offered this drink to Jesus before the crucifixion, and He refused (Mt 27:34, Lk 23:36, Mk 15:23). But the interesting thing is that the best texts of Mt 27:34 have the NT word for “wine,” oinos (Strong's #3631), rather than oxos, thus strongly inferring that what Jesus was given on the cross was indeed wine, not vinegar. Likewise, even the KJV manuscripts (older and now outdated) have oinos at Mk 15:23:
And they gave him to drink wine [oinos] mingled with myrhh: but he received it not. (KJV)
Jesus refused this drink because it contained myrhh, which – combined with alcohol – would have had a narcotic effect. But he accepted this same drink without the myrhh on the cross, just before He died (John 19:29-30; cf. Mt 27:48, Mk 15:36). Some might still dispute that it was (or contained wine, with alcohol), but several modern translations render oxos at John 19:29-30, Mt 27:48, and Mk 15:36 as “wine,” “sour wine,” or similar description:
Also Jesus said to God:
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Luke 22:41-43So being that Jesus is not ignorant and is obedient who on the cross is saying this?:
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Matthew 27:45-47
No Bod, it was Jesus that was Crucified, and Jesus who cried out to God, not someone else!The part I dont get is why there needs to be the shedding of blood for forgivness of sins.
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