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Hi WJ & thethinker:
What about this, you go out and preach the gospel which states, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned…”,
And then after they are saved by confessing Jesus as their Lord, then you bring them to your church and tell them that unless they believe in the doctrine of “trinity” they can't be a member of “your church”?
Rather foolish don't you think? They already a member of God's church if they confessed Jesus as their Lord.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2010,08:44) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 12 2010,07:19) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2010,03:53) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 11 2010,18:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 11 2010,15:16) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 11 2010,14:48) YES he paid the price for me! why would that mean He would go to hell for eternity? Its all about Jesus, and you cant have the Holy Spirit without Him. katjo
What was the price paid? death? You are still going to die, so in what way is he taking your place or paying for your sins?Jesus went down into hades after death rescued all the souls held there through man's original sin;
and then, because Hades could not restrain him rose from the dead,
thus saving all mankind.Through these events, he released mankind from the bonds of Hades and then came back to the living as man and God.
That each individual human may partake of this immortality, which would have been impossible without the Resurrection, is the main promise held out by God in his New Covenant with mankind,
according to Orthodox Christian tradition.
How did he pay the price if price is not a visit to hell but punishment in hell?
If I understand your question right;It would depend on what your belief is of hell. If you see hell as a burning place where people are tormented you would see that (Eastern) Orthodox belief as hard to understand. If you saw like they do that it mean nearness or distance from God it would make more sense.
Eastern Orthodox although they ended up with Trinity, icons and errors over time, their concept of 'hell' and salvation is as ancient as their church is. They believ our main purpose is Theosis, Union with God
That's not a problem, so if Jesus paid the price then how is it he is at the right hand of God.Sinners will still go to hell in whatever form it is in and before Jesus came sinners would be going to hell in whatever form it is in.
The righteous will still go to heaven and before Jesus came the righteous would be going to heaven even Jesus said he didn't come for the righteous but the lost.
The fact is God does not change and has always been full of Compassion and Mercy and yet HIS wrath for the evil still exists.
Jesus fulfilled his mission of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and he submitted to God.
Crucifixion would not add to or take away the Grace and Mercy of God and it didn't happen as Jesus name proves “Jehovah Saves”
Yahshua means God saves that is correct,
So you think it means – God saved Yahshua from death. And that he didnt die. He wasnt crucified.
Are we all saved from dyeing? No.We all have to die.
Jesus was dead and buried, yet God raised him from that. That is what will happen according to the bible to us all.
God will raise all from their graves. Some to judgment, some to eternal life. Just as what happened to Jesus!And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. -Hebrews 9;27
And Hebrews by the way was written by an unknown Author. It doesnt match the writtings of Paul or his style.
And I bet you I could even hunt out those old Quran Verses which agree on the Crucifiction also.
(when iv got more time)Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2010,11:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2010,08:44) That's not a problem, so if Jesus paid the price then how is it he is at the right hand of God. Sinners will still go to hell in whatever form it is in and before Jesus came sinners would be going to hell in whatever form it is in.
The righteous will still go to heaven and before Jesus came the righteous would be going to heaven even Jesus said he didn't come for the righteous but the lost.
The fact is God does not change and has always been full of Compassion and Mercy and yet HIS wrath for the evil still exists.
Jesus fulfilled his mission of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and he submitted to God.
Crucifixion would not add to or take away the Grace and Mercy of God and it didn't happen as Jesus name proves “Jehovah Saves”
According to your twisted logic: Jesus' crucifixion was (Falsely) totally unnecessary; according to your FAULTY reasoning?
Jesus mission here on Earth was to remove your god from the “Godhead”; THE REALITY you don't want to accept!GOD The Father=HolySpirit-(guess who); Theomatics CLEARLY shows this “Bible Truth”=117!
117=151-34
Now Jesus sits at God's right hand (Geometry and Gematria CLEARLY ILLUSTRATE)! Something else you are unwilling to accept!
“The Large Box”=117 represents “GOD The Father”=117, “The Box”=74 inside represents “Jesus”=74: NOW at “GOD The Father's right hand”!
Yes, I agree Jesus is at the right hand of God.There are no “gods”.
The crucifixion of Jesus is crucifiction
“God Saves”
Quote (katjo @ Feb. 12 2010,13:14) B.D. Yes your body dies, we all have to die once, BUT its your soul that is saved. We are a spirit that has a soul that lives in a body! punishment in hell is if your not a folower of Christ. Yes Jesus did come for the lost(souls) Do you read the new testament? katjo
If Jesus paid the PRICE for your sins then what was the price you were going to have to pay?Quote (katjo @ Feb. 12 2010,13:36) Jesus spoke in parrables to teach us about the Father!! Remember the word became flesh? so he humbled Himself to become man. To go threw life like us, to be our redemmer so at that time the Father (role) was greater.(He partially left that authority) But scripture also tell us He returned to the glory He had before the world began. How could anyone do what He did but God? And yet God shares His glory with no one.Also when He talked about Himself He never said “I will have to do.”.. or “I will be”… He always said the “Son of Man” would be, He is the Almighty in Rev. coming. You cant have the Holy Spirit and understand Scripture, if your faith is not in Jesus. That is very clear in the word.I dont know of a religion(desides j.w.) that follows the true word that doesnt preach Jesus! katjo
Then how is it that the Holy Spirit informed others of the coming of Jesus Christ, If you cannot have the Holy Spirit without knowing Jesus Christ?Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 12 2010,14:11) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2010,08:44) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 12 2010,07:19) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2010,03:53) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 11 2010,18:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 11 2010,15:16) Quote (katjo @ Feb. 11 2010,14:48) YES he paid the price for me! why would that mean He would go to hell for eternity? Its all about Jesus, and you cant have the Holy Spirit without Him. katjo
What was the price paid? death? You are still going to die, so in what way is he taking your place or paying for your sins?Jesus went down into hades after death rescued all the souls held there through man's original sin;
and then, because Hades could not restrain him rose from the dead,
thus saving all mankind.Through these events, he released mankind from the bonds of Hades and then came back to the living as man and God.
That each individual human may partake of this immortality, which would have been impossible without the Resurrection, is the main promise held out by God in his New Covenant with mankind,
according to Orthodox Christian tradition.
How did he pay the price if price is not a visit to hell but punishment in hell?
If I understand your question right;It would depend on what your belief is of hell. If you see hell as a burning place where people are tormented you would see that (Eastern) Orthodox belief as hard to understand. If you saw like they do that it mean nearness or distance from God it would make more sense.
Eastern Orthodox although they ended up with Trinity, icons and errors over time, their concept of 'hell' and salvation is as ancient as their church is. They believ our main purpose is Theosis, Union with God
That's not a problem, so if Jesus paid the price then how is it he is at the right hand of God.Sinners will still go to hell in whatever form it is in and before Jesus came sinners would be going to hell in whatever form it is in.
The righteous will still go to heaven and before Jesus came the righteous would be going to heaven even Jesus said he didn't come for the righteous but the lost.
The fact is God does not change and has always been full of Compassion and Mercy and yet HIS wrath for the evil still exists.
Jesus fulfilled his mission of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and he submitted to God.
Crucifixion would not add to or take away the Grace and Mercy of God and it didn't happen as Jesus name proves “Jehovah Saves”
Yahshua means God saves that is correct,
So you think it means – God saved Yahshua from death. And that he didnt die. He wasnt crucified.
Are we all saved from dyeing? No.We all have to die.
Jesus was dead and buried, yet God raised him from that. That is what will happen according to the bible to us all.
God will raise all from their graves. Some to judgment, some to eternal life. Just as what happened to Jesus!
No, God saved NOAH, God Saved JONAH, GOD SAVED LOT…etc.GOD does not kill the innocent in exchange for the guilty.
The soul that sinneth shall die, what sin did Jesus do?
You are in error sister the Messiah did not come to die Jesus said what his mission was:
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:17-19Where is the verse where it says he sent me to DIE FOR YOU
Jesus was not sent to die for anyone. Remember the PLOT was to KILL JESUS it was a PLOT of MURDER
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 12 2010,14:18) And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. -Hebrews 9;27 And Hebrews by the way was written by an unknown Author. It doesnt match the writtings of Paul or his style.
If he beared the sins of many how is it? In what way? Will he go to hell instead of them?Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2010,18:10) If Jesus paid the PRICE for your sins then what was the price you were going to have to pay?
Death.For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son
so all those who believe in him shall not perish
but shall have eternal life.Its for love bod.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2010,18:18) No, God saved NOAH, God Saved JONAH, GOD SAVED LOT…etc. -God saved Noah but the world perished
-God saved Lot but the cities died
-God saved Jonah but Jonah had to save those of Nineveh to repentanceJesus said there would be no sign but the sign of Jonah;
(Matt 12;40)
(Jesus speaking) For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it,
because they repented at the preaching of Jonah;
and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.Quote You are in error sister the Messiah did not come to die Jesus said what his mission was: The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:17-19Where is the verse where it says he sent me to DIE FOR YOU
Jesus was not sent to die for anyone. Remember the PLOT was to KILL JESUS it was a PLOT of MURDER
But:
Jesus Predicts His Death(Mark 8;31)
He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.He spoke to them openly. Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. But he, turning around, and seeing his disciples, rebuked Peter, and said, “Get behind me, Satan! For you have in mind not the things of God, but the things of men.”
He called the multitude to himself with his disciples, and said to them, “Whoever wants to come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it; and whoever will lose his life for my sake and the sake of the Good News will save it.
For what does it profit a man, to gain the whole world, and forfeit his life? For what will a man give in exchange for his life?
For whoever will be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man also will be ashamed of him, when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 12 2010,21:11) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2010,18:18) No, God saved NOAH, God Saved JONAH, GOD SAVED LOT…etc. -God saved Noah but the world perished
-God saved Lot but the cities died
-God saved Jonah but Jonah had to save those of Nineveh to repentanceJesus said there would be no sign but the sign of Jonah;
(Matt 12;40)
(Jesus speaking) For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it,
because they repented at the preaching of Jonah;
and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.Quote You are in error sister the Messiah did not come to die Jesus said what his mission was: The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:17-19Where is the verse where it says he sent me to DIE FOR YOU
Jesus was not sent to die for anyone. Remember the PLOT was to KILL JESUS it was a PLOT of MURDER
But:
Jesus Predicts His Death(Mark 8;31)
He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.He spoke to them openly. Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. But he, turning around, and seeing his disciples, rebuked Peter, and said, “Get behind me, Satan! For you have in mind not the things of God, but the things of men.”
He called the multitude to himself with his disciples, and said to them, “Whoever wants to come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it; and whoever will lose his life for my sake and the sake of the Good News will save it.
For what does it profit a man, to gain the whole world, and forfeit his life? For what will a man give in exchange for his life?
For whoever will be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man also will be ashamed of him, when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”
Quote -God saved Jonah but Jonah had to save those of Nineveh to repentance Jesus said there would be no sign but the sign of Jonah;
(Matt 12;40)
(Jesus speaking) For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it,
because they repented at the preaching of Jonah;
and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.Jonah was in the belly of the great fish ALIVE and we already know that Jesus was not in the tomb according to the scriptures 3 days and 3 nights so the sign of Jonah is God saved Jonah from death and Jonah saved Nineveh through preaching the word as Jesus did.
Jesus did think he was going to be killed that's why he begged God to save him in the Garden and when Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead he said GOD ALWAYS HEARS him. God heard him in the Garden and saved him from death on the cross.
“Jehovah Saves”
Hi BD,
Jonah went to the place of the dead, Hades.
Jesus died. He gave up his spirit [Mt27.50 etc]as happens when men die[Ecc12].
Without the spirit men are dead[Jas2] and he was a man like you and I dead, but kept alive in another way, in the Spirit of the living God.It is our hope too when we die to remain alive in that spirit ready to be raised at the last trump.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 13 2010,05:10) Jonah was in the belly of the great fish ALIVE and we already know that Jesus was not in the tomb according to the scriptures 3 days and 3 nights so the sign of Jonah is God saved Jonah from death and Jonah saved Nineveh through preaching the word as Jesus did. Jesus did think he was going to be killed that's why he begged God to save him in the Garden and when Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead he said GOD ALWAYS HEARS him. God heard him in the Garden and saved him from death on the cross.
“Jehovah Saves”
Sorry I will reply later ok iv run out of time atm. And need to think about it too.Hi:
My post somehow got lost in the shuffle, and so I will ask the following question of WJ and the thethinker:
Does it seem right to you to go out and preach the gospel “Jesus Christ and him crucified” and then when those who confess Jesus as Lord are saved(Because Romans 10:9-10 says that if someone believes and confesses Jesus as Lord they will be saved) to then bring them in to the church and tell them that unless they believe the “trinity doctrine” they cannot be a part of your church?
This doesn't make any sense at all.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 12 2008,13:21)
Hi say, Jesus disagrees with your use of the word 'God'.
We are not family with the god of this world.
Jn8
54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:If Yeshua is *GOD* because he “belongs to the God family”, then that would make those “in Christ” *also* God. (with this kind of reasoning)
What I've noticed in scripture is that “the MOST HIGH God” is the one who can and should be worshiped. The Old testament is clear that if (or when) a person worships someone else, the Most High God YHWH considers it “leaving him” and committing Idolatry.
According to Psalms 82, yes, we are considered by GOD, to be in the god family, but this doesn't mean that other gods can be worshiped except *ONLY* THE MOST HIGH GOD, YHWH.
It is very clear from scripture that Yeshua (Jesus) is placed by GOD, his heavenly Father, in the position of FIRST BORN (among men on earth and also being the FIRST BORN of the DEAD. (The first fruits of the New Creation.) Please see 1 Cor. 15:20-23… Rev. 1:5
“He will cry to me, “Thou art my Father, my GOD, and the rock of my salvation. I SHALL ALSO MAKE HIM MY FIRSTBORN. The HIGHEST of the kings of the earth. My lovingkindness I will keep for him forever, and my covenant shall be confirmed to him. ” Psalms 89:26-28
Besides being placed in the position of “first born”, God also chose (anointed ) him to be our Savior, A Mediator SERVING between men and GOD) and serving as our HIGH PRIEST.
What would the Jews have done to someone if that person stopped worshiping the MOST HIGH GOD of the Jews, and began worshiping the High Priest INSTEAD? Wouldn't it have been considered IDOLATRY?
This, I believe, is the way trinitarians have done to God when they REPLACE Him with Yeshua. (Or claim that Yeshua is YHWH (Or place His Son Yeshua IN EQUAL PLACE)
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 13 2010,05:10) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 12 2010,21:11) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2010,18:18) No, God saved NOAH, God Saved JONAH, GOD SAVED LOT…etc. -God saved Noah but the world perished
-God saved Lot but the cities died
-God saved Jonah but Jonah had to save those of Nineveh to repentanceJesus said there would be no sign but the sign of Jonah;
(Matt 12;40)
(Jesus speaking) For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it,
because they repented at the preaching of Jonah;
and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.Quote You are in error sister the Messiah did not come to die Jesus said what his mission was: The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:17-19Where is the verse where it says he sent me to DIE FOR YOU
Jesus was not sent to die for anyone. Remember the PLOT was to KILL JESUS it was a PLOT of MURDER
But:
Jesus Predicts His Death(Mark 8;31)
He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.He spoke to them openly. Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. But he, turning around, and seeing his disciples, rebuked Peter, and said, “Get behind me, Satan! For you have in mind not the things of God, but the things of men.”
He called the multitude to himself with his disciples, and said to them, “Whoever wants to come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it; and whoever will lose his life for my sake and the sake of the Good News will save it.
For what does it profit a man, to gain the whole world, and forfeit his life? For what will a man give in exchange for his life?
For whoever will be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man also will be ashamed of him, when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”
Quote -God saved Jonah but Jonah had to save those of Nineveh to repentance Jesus said there would be no sign but the sign of Jonah;
(Matt 12;40)
(Jesus speaking) For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it,
because they repented at the preaching of Jonah;
and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.Jonah was in the belly of the great fish ALIVE and we already know that Jesus was not in the tomb according to the scriptures 3 days and 3 nights so the sign of Jonah is God saved Jonah from death and Jonah saved Nineveh through preaching the word as Jesus did.
Jesus did think he was going to be killed that's why he begged God to save him in the Garden and when Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead he said GOD ALWAYS HEARS him. God heard him in the Garden and saved him from death on the cross.
“Jehovah Saves”
Jesus said in prayer to The Father- ' never the less… not MY will BUT YOURS”You understand submission to Gods will and so do I.
Jesus told us that we must likewise do the same.
Even if we are to die.The Prayer in the Garden
Mark 14;32
Then they came to a place which was named Gethsemane; and He said to His disciples, “Sit here while I pray.”
And He took Peter, James, and John with Him, and He began to be troubled and deeply distressed.
Then He said to them, “My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death. Stay here and watch.”
He went a little farther, and fell on the ground, and prayed that if it were possible, the hour might pass from Him.
And He said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for You. Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will, but what You will.”
Then He came and found them sleeping, and said to Peter, “Simon, are you sleeping? Could you not watch one hour?
Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
Again He went away and prayed, and spoke the same words. And when He returned, He found them asleep again, for their eyes were heavy; and they did not know what to answer Him.
Then He came the third time and said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? It is enough! The hour has come; behold, the Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of sinners.
Rise, let us be going. See, My betrayer is at hand.”Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 13 2010,12:59) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 13 2010,05:10) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 12 2010,21:11) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 12 2010,18:18) No, God saved NOAH, God Saved JONAH, GOD SAVED LOT…etc. -God saved Noah but the world perished
-God saved Lot but the cities died
-God saved Jonah but Jonah had to save those of Nineveh to repentanceJesus said there would be no sign but the sign of Jonah;
(Matt 12;40)
(Jesus speaking) For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it,
because they repented at the preaching of Jonah;
and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.Quote You are in error sister the Messiah did not come to die Jesus said what his mission was: The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4:17-19Where is the verse where it says he sent me to DIE FOR YOU
Jesus was not sent to die for anyone. Remember the PLOT was to KILL JESUS it was a PLOT of MURDER
But:
Jesus Predicts His Death(Mark 8;31)
He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.He spoke to them openly. Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. But he, turning around, and seeing his disciples, rebuked Peter, and said, “Get behind me, Satan! For you have in mind not the things of God, but the things of men.”
He called the multitude to himself with his disciples, and said to them, “Whoever wants to come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it; and whoever will lose his life for my sake and the sake of the Good News will save it.
For what does it profit a man, to gain the whole world, and forfeit his life? For what will a man give in exchange for his life?
For whoever will be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man also will be ashamed of him, when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”
Quote -God saved Jonah but Jonah had to save those of Nineveh to repentance Jesus said there would be no sign but the sign of Jonah;
(Matt 12;40)
(Jesus speaking) For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it,
because they repented at the preaching of Jonah;
and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.Jonah was in the belly of the great fish ALIVE and we already know that Jesus was not in the tomb according to the scriptures 3 days and 3 nights so the sign of Jonah is God saved Jonah from death and Jonah saved Nineveh through preaching the word as Jesus did.
Jesus did think he was going to be killed that's why he begged God to save him in the Garden and when Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead he said GOD ALWAYS HEARS him. God heard him in the Garden and saved him from death on the cross.
“Jehovah Saves”
Jesus said in prayer to The Father- ' never the less… not MY will BUT YOURS”You understand submission to Gods will and so do I.
Jesus told us that we must likewise do the same.
Even if we are to die.The Prayer in the Garden
Mark 14;32
Then they came to a place which was named Gethsemane; and He said to His disciples, “Sit here while I pray.”
And He took Peter, James, and John with Him, and He began to be troubled and deeply distressed.
Then He said to them, “My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death. Stay here and watch.”
He went a little farther, and fell on the ground, and prayed that if it were possible, the hour might pass from Him.
And He said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for You. Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will, but what You will.”
Then He came and found them sleeping, and said to Peter, “Simon, are you sleeping? Could you not watch one hour?
Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
Again He went away and prayed, and spoke the same words. And when He returned, He found them asleep again, for their eyes were heavy; and they did not know what to answer Him.
Then He came the third time and said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? It is enough! The hour has come; behold, the Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of sinners.
Rise, let us be going. See, My betrayer is at hand.”Quote And He said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for You. Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will, but what You will.” John 11:41-42 (King James Version)
41Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
If All things are possible to God, then it is of course a possibility that God listened to Jesus and saved him from the cross. Jesus said
Quote thou hearest me always Jesus wanted to be saved from death and he said “God Willing” he would be saved.
Jehovah Saves! God is Great.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Matthew 13:13-15That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to
appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)
That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Mark 4:11-13Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them nor guide them on the way.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #137)That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)
No Bod that is just misunderstood-
They were boasting cause they thought they killed Jesus but allthough they had killed his body it didnt work because He was risen from the dead! and he walked and talked and ate even- in the flesh after, so they killed him not! See! Its all how you see it.
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