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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2009,09:47) Hi BD,
Does it say ALL PEOPLE?
No, so does the “All” in romans mean only “some”?Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2009,09:48) Hi BD,
You call Jesus the CHRIST , the anointed one of God, yet you would judge even the holy one of God?
You must feel quite safe from God's retribution but should you?
So Judging paul is pointing out his inconsistent verses?And you consider errors of Paul attributed Jesus?
Hi BD,
If you knew Jesus you would know Paul was his servant.
Even the demons in the man whom the sons of Sceva knew of him.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2009,11:47) Hi BD,
If you knew Jesus you would know Paul was his servant.
Even the demons in the man whom the sons of Sceva knew of him.
Did you know some called Paul a god and he did not correct them. Is paul also a god?Acts 28 (Young's Literal Translation)
3but Paul having gathered together a quantity of sticks, and having laid [them] upon the fire, a viper — out of the heat having come — did fasten on his hand.
4And when the foreigners saw the beast hanging from his hand, they said unto one another, `Certainly this man is a murderer, whom, having been saved out of the sea, the justice did not suffer to live;'
5he then, indeed, having shaken off the beast into the fire, suffered no evil,
6and they were expecting him to be about to be inflamed, or to fall down suddenly dead, and they, expecting [it] a long time, and seeing nothing uncommon happening to him, changing [their] minds, said he was a god.
Now regarding this:
Acts 19 (King James Version)
13Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the LORD Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
14And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
15And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
16And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
Jesus said:
Mark 9:39-41 (King James Version)
39But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
40For he that is not against us is on our part.
So according to these verses the name of Jesus had no effect but Paul out of all the apostles was mentioned by name by the evil spirit.
But Jesus disagrees.
So now you also worship Paul?
Hi BD,
Is it recorded that he knew they were saying these things about him?
You should not assume so.The name of Jesus is rightly and safely used by those who are in him and in his authority.
Hi BD,
Paul acted when he did hear such matters.
Acts 14 11
And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.12And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
13Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
14Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
15And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
16Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
17Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
18And with these sayings scarce restrained they the people, that they had not done sacrifice unto them.
Attacking the servants of God does your cause and your motives a disservice.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2009,21:04) Hi BD,
Is it recorded that he knew they were saying these things about him?
You should not assume so.The name of Jesus is rightly and safely used by those who are in him and in his authority.
Jesus said “forbid him not”Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2009,21:08) Hi BD, Paul acted when he did hear such matters.
Acts 14 11
And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.12And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
13Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
14Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
15And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
16Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
17Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
18And with these sayings scarce restrained they the people, that they had not done sacrifice unto them.
Attacking the servants of God does your cause and your motives a disservice.
Paul didn't correct those who believed he was a God because he survived a snake bite.In your example paul wasn't by himself.
Also, I am not attacking Paul I am discussing scripture with you. I can only comment on what is written, I never met Paul.
Hi BD,
Do you know this?
Paul was not the author of Acts.
You clearly have no respect for scripture.
You also judge the works of the Spirit of God among men.
Sowing doubts in the vulnerable so that you can offer your meagre meal?Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2009,07:08) Hi BD,
Do you know this?
Paul was not the author of Acts.
You clearly have no respect for scripture.
You also judge the works of the Spirit of God among men.
Sowing doubts in the vulnerable so that you can offer your meagre meal?
WJ,Paul was also called a god, does that make it so?
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2009,13:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2009,07:08) Hi BD,
Do you know this?
Paul was not the author of Acts.
You clearly have no respect for scripture.
You also judge the works of the Spirit of God among men.
Sowing doubts in the vulnerable so that you can offer your meagre meal?
WJ,Paul was also called a god, does that make it so?
HI BDNo of course not, but what does the example of unbelieving men calling Paul a god have to do with the Apostles and followerers of Jesus calling Jesus God?
Jesus never rebuked them for worshipping him or calling him God did he?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2009,05:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2009,13:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2009,07:08) Hi BD,
Do you know this?
Paul was not the author of Acts.
You clearly have no respect for scripture.
You also judge the works of the Spirit of God among men.
Sowing doubts in the vulnerable so that you can offer your meagre meal?
WJ,Paul was also called a god, does that make it so?
HI BDNo of course not, but what does the example of unbelieving men calling Paul a god have to do with the Apostles and followerers of Jesus calling Jesus God?
Jesus never rebuked them for worshipping him or calling him God did he?
WJ
Of course those people believe, they saw Paul get bit by a poisonous snake and waited for him to die and when he didn't they realized it was a miracle and believed and called him a god and he did not rebuke them.and in another verse Paul heals on his own power just like Jesus:
Acts 14
9 this one was hearing Paul speaking, who, having stedfastly beheld him, and having seen that he hath faith to be saved,10 said with a loud voice, `Stand up on thy feet upright;' and he was springing and walking,
Notice how it was not needed that Paul should use the name of Jesus or God. He just says “stand up on thy feet”
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 04 2009,07:22) Hi BD,
You could do that too if Christ was in you.
You obviously missed the point. However, God has allowed me to do such things.What I said was that if they wanted to call Jesus “God” because of his miracles and some thinking he was God then paul qualifies as well because he did miracles and didn't even have to invoke Christ at all.
Let me ask you though, since I have been by God's permission to do certain wonderous things what does that tell you?
Hi BD,
Yes those who call Jesus God because of what he did should also call God any servant like Paul or his brothers.
Many have done wondrous things but will not be known by the Lord Jesus.
That is the most important issue not miracles.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 04 2009,08:53) Hi BD,
Yes those who call Jesus God because of what he did should also call God any servant like Paul or his brothers.
Many have done wondrous things but will not be known by the Lord Jesus.
That is the most important issue not miracles.
exactly, but they will not call Paul “God” even though he did not forbid some who said it.I only bring it up because some say that Jesus was God based upon him not stopping people from worshipping him or because they called him God.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2009,16:43) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 04 2009,07:22) Hi BD,
You could do that too if Christ was in you.
You obviously missed the point. However, God has allowed me to do such things.What I said was that if they wanted to call Jesus “God” because of his miracles and some thinking he was God then paul qualifies as well because he did miracles and didn't even have to invoke Christ at all.
Let me ask you though, since I have been by God's permission to do certain wonderous things what does that tell you?
HI BDNo you are obviously missing the point!
Why don't you show a scripture where an Apostle or follower of Jesus called any other being “their God” other than Jesus?
So take your white out and blot those scriptures out and then justify it by calling the scriptures corrupt and run to the choran which you exalt above the scriptures.
How weak!
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 03 2009,17:42) Hi BD,
When did Paul hear men calling him God and not correct them?
Show evidence that he heard them.
Hi HNGood point. For we know what happened to one who didnt give God the Glory, he was eaten up with worms!
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 04 2009,09:42) Hi BD,
When did Paul hear men calling him God and not correct them?
Show evidence that he heard them.
The evidence is the scripture that is written shows that the author of the book must have witnessed hearing them and if that author witnessed them saying such a thing Paul would have known they said it, right?Books don't write themselves so whoever the author is, is saying what happened from what they experienced or what someone told them if Paul told the story to him then Paul heard them and if the author witnessed the event then the author who was with Paul heard them and if that is the case Paul would have known.
I have now given you sufficient and reasonable proof.
There is however a chance that the author was writing from what another person told him but even so that person still would have had to acknowledge Pauls response or lack thereof.
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