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Hi S,
Peter also raised the dead.Acts 9:40
But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up.But that did not make him God either.
He was following Jesus in the anointing of God.Peter was clear it was Jesus that did the healing and the raising, not he -Peter
“And Peter said unto him, Aeneas, Jesus Christ maketh thee whole: arise, and make thy bed. And he arose immediately.” (Acts 9:34 KJV)
Peter was quite clear that he was not anything like Jesus and,for example, was not deserving of worship as Jesus was.
And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. (Acts 10:25-26 KJV)
Jesus received and accepted worship from birth.
Matthew 2:11 (KJV)
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him:Matthew 28:17 (KJV)
And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.Jesus knew, as did Peter, that only God is to be worshipped – yet He did not reject it.
Thomas knew who Jesus was even if we struggle with it –
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. (John 20:28 KJV)
Hi S,
Did Jesus tell us to worship him or God?Jn4
21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
Hi S,
God was in Christ.[2cor5]
Indeed Thomas was addressing both.Jn14
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Hi S,
2cor 519To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Was Christ in Christ?
Quote (SEEKING @ Jan. 16 2009,09:13) Peter was clear it was Jesus that did the healing and the raising, not he -Peter “And Peter said unto him, Aeneas, Jesus Christ maketh thee whole: arise, and make thy bed. And he arose immediately.” (Acts 9:34 KJV)
Peter was quite clear that he was not anything like Jesus and,for example, was not deserving of worship as Jesus was.
And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. (Acts 10:25-26 KJV)
Jesus received and accepted worship from birth.
Matthew 2:11 (KJV)
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him:
Matthew 28:17 (KJV)
And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.Jesus knew, as did Peter, that only God is to be worshipped – yet He did not reject it.
Thomas knew who Jesus was even if we struggle with it –
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. (John 20:28 KJV)
What does worship mean?
I fear you have the evengelical concept that worship is restricted to God. Worship means to bow down in respect. It is used both in the Hebrew scriptures and in Greek literature toward kings and other officia,\ls.Quote (SEEKING @ Jan. 16 2009,09:13) Peter was clear it was Jesus that did the healing and the raising, not he -Peter “And Peter said unto him, Aeneas, Jesus Christ maketh thee whole: arise, and make thy bed. And he arose immediately.” (Acts 9:34 KJV)
Peter was quite clear that he was not anything like Jesus and,for example, was not deserving of worship as Jesus was.
And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. (Acts 10:25-26 KJV)
Jesus received and accepted worship from birth.
Matthew 2:11 (KJV)
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him:
Matthew 28:17 (KJV)
And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.Jesus knew, as did Peter, that only God is to be worshipped – yet He did not reject it.
Thomas knew who Jesus was even if we struggle with it –
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. (John 20:28 KJV)
Hi Seeking:This is what Jesus said:
Quote Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
Hi Seeking:
Worship Jesus not as God, but this is what he has said:
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Jhn 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Jhn 5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.To all who have responded to the topic,
I believe the scriptures are plain that Jesus is subservient to God his father. John 14:10 (KJV)
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. (John14:10 KJV)
This and many more scriptures make that clear to me. My dilemna is in what sense, if any, can he be viewed as God? Some passages seem to infer that as cited by UCG and others.
Perhaps some day I will have the Epiphany our brother had about obedience and all will become clear to me. Until then I appreciate all your input. It would be easier for me if Jesus had adamantly rejected the worship of men and directed them to worship the Father when they where worshipping him.
I do trust God will make things clear as I seek Him. All your prayers will be helpful.
Seeking
Quote (SEEKING @ Jan. 16 2009,10:33) To all who have responded to the topic, I believe the scriptures are plain that Jesus is subservient to God his father. John 14:10 (KJV)
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. (John14:10 KJV)
This and many more scriptures make that clear to me. My dilemna is in what sense, if any, can he be viewed as God? Some passages seem to infer that as cited by UCG and others.
Perhaps some day I will have the Epiphany our brother had about obedience and all will become clear to me. Until then I appreciate all your input. It would be easier for me if Jesus had adamantly rejected the worship of men and directed them to worship the Father when they where worshipping him.
I do trust God will make things clear as I seek Him. All your prayers will be helpful.
Seeking
Hi Seeking:I am praying that God would give you revelation knowledge of the truth relative to this matter.
God Bless
Quote This and many more scriptures make that clear to me. My dilemna is in what sense, if any, can he be viewed as God? seeking, because the word “God” is used like 98% of the time with reference to Jehovah, the Father, we tend to think that “God” means “The Creator/the author of the Bible/Father.”
It’s like when we think of facial tissue we think of Kleenex. So much so that some people think “kleenex” means “facial tissue” and they don’t even know it’s a brand of facial tissue.
But kleenex is not the only facial tissue. It may be the best and the only good facial tissue or the only best selling facial tissue. But the word “facial tissue” can be applied to other brands.Similarly, the word “god” is applied to Jesus, angels, judges, Satan, false gods, etc.
(it means “powerful one.”)Hi Seeking:
This is a simple statement, but Jesus can be viewed as God through the works of obedience that he did to God the Father. I hesitated to even say this, but this is the only way that I know that he can viewed as God. God is a spirit of love. Greater love hath no man than this.
Maybe this scripture will help:
Quote 1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. God Bless
Hi 94
Luke 7:16
And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 16 2009,13:32) Hi 94 Luke 7:16
And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.
Hi Nick:That relates to the following scripture:
[QUOTE]Hbr 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hbr 1:3 Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Hi 94,
So Jesus is identified as a great prophet.
Prophets speak for God so God in them as Spirit visits His people.Quote (SEEKING @ Jan. 16 2009,09:13) Peter was clear it was Jesus that did the healing and the raising, not he -Peter
Hi Seeking.LIKEWISE:
Jesus works were not done in his own name but in his fathers. Jesus didn't do anything of his own accord.John 10:25
Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.John 5:20
For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.John 8:28
So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.Quote (SEEKING @ Jan. 16 2009,09:13) Jesus received and accepted worship from birth.
Jesus was never worshiped or honored as God, but as the son of God and the Lamb.Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”Revelation 5: 12-14
12 In a loud voice they sang: “Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!”
13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”
14 The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
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