The Trinity Doctrine

[NickHassan]

Hi,
From wikipedia

“The Council of Nicaea was reluctant to adopt language not found in Scripture, and ultimately did so only after Arius showed how all strictly biblical language could also be interpreted to support his belief that there was a time when the Son did not exist. In adopting non-biblical language, the council's intent was to preserve what the Church had always believed: that the Son is fully God, coeternal with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

The Confession of the Council of Nicaea said little about the Holy Spirit.[22] The doctrine of the divinity and personality of the Holy Spirit was developed by Athanasius (c 293 – 373) in the last decades of his life.[24] He both defended and refined the Nicene formula.[22] By the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of Basil of Caesarea, Gregory of Nyssa, and Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine had reached substantially its current form.[22]”

The false church was forced to go beyond scripture in defense of it's dogma.

[martian]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2008,07:16)

Hi martian, I do not think you offend anyone here but you do raise concerns about yourself.

Now you speak of me calling people stupid when I did not. And you turn to a personal reference to speak of me as if to say you have concerns about me. LOL You know the same exact thing was said to me by a Moonie cult member that came to my door years ago. LOL

But thank you for helping me to gauge my walk with God. If you have concerns that I am straying from your personal opinion of truth, then I take that as I am doing pretty darn good with God.

[NickHassan]

Hi martian,
I believe you do have some useful insights to share.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
From CARM ministry
“In Christianity, God is a Trinity. This means that God is three persons, not three gods. Technically, the doctrine of the Trinity states that in the one God is the person of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each is not the same person as the other; yet there are not three gods but one. This is similar in analogy to the nature of time. Time is past, present, and future. The past is not the same as the present, which is not the same as the future. But, there are not three times. There is only one thing called time.
The reason the word “person” is used in describing the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is because each exhibits attributes of personhood — not in a body of flesh and bones, but in personality. In other words, each has a will, loves, speaks, is aware of others, communicates with others, etc. These are attributes of personhood and we see the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit each demonstrate these qualities.
Because of the Trinity, God can become flesh in the form of the Son, and still exist in such a way so that He can run the universe. Therefore, the Son can communicate to us on our level.
Following are a couple verses that hint at the Trinity.

Matt. 28:19, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.”
2 Cor. 13:14, “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.”

So we only have HINTS?
God BECOMES FLESH and DIES?

And one of those verses quoted is of dubious origin according to Eusebius.

[martian]

Hey lightenup. Where are you? I was enjoying our discussion.

[Lightenup]

Hi Martian,
I hope that your friend is doing better. My dad has had years of heart trouble and some major surgeries. I know that is hard.

Truly, Martian, I'm not sure that I want to be part of your “game” if you are not going to consider my input and take it to heart and then have kind responses whether in favor or against my views. I understand what you want us to do as far as getting to know the Hebrew mindset better and that is good. Let me show you abit about my mindset:

I would be more interested in discussion with those who were taking this more seriously (not as a game) and writing with the love of Christ. But you think that is not possible on a message board. I do, and take that as my challenge-to show God's love for others while reasoning together on this board and seeking truth together with those that are like-minded to show God's love. If I don't sense love in responses from others then they lose credibility with me. I am looking for someone to really impress me with wisdom and agape love. They will be someone to listen to. If you are willing to show God's love in your posts then I will be willing to discuss things with you otherwise it is not worth my time. I hope that you understand.

[martian]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 29 2008,04:53)

Hi Martian, I hope that your friend is doing better.  My dad has had years of heart trouble and some major surgeries.  I know that is hard. Truly, Martian, I'm not sure that I want to be part of your “game” if you are not going to consider my input and take it to heart and then have kind responses whether in favor or against my views.  I understand what you want us to do as far as getting to know the Hebrew mindset better and that is good.  Let me show you abit about my mindset: I would be more interested in discussion with those who were taking this more seriously (not as a game) and writing with the love of Christ.  But you think that is not possible on a message board.  I do, and take that as my challenge-to show God's love for others while reasoning together on this board and seeking truth together with those that are like-minded to show God's love.  If I don't sense love in responses from others then they lose credibility with me.  I am looking for someone to really impress me with wisdom and agape love.  They will be someone to listen to.  If you are willing to show God's love in your posts then I will be willing to discuss things with you otherwise it is not worth my time.  I hope that you understand.

I realise that I might come accross that way to you, however that is nt my heart or my intentin. There are several factors that ##### my heart and draw an incensed reaction.
1.When people insist on promoting doctrines that insult the character of my heavenly father or my brother Jesus.
2. When people on this board couch their arrogance throgh words of seudo-love
3.When people assume a knowledge of scriptue and have no reasonable principles by which to interpret that word. This is not only irational but also leads to my belief that this is a game. If someone wants to do this seriously then we should establish a criteria by which to interpret scriptue that we all agree on and then proceded to discuss scriptur on that basis. I tried to do that and was ignored because with a honest standard those in false doctrine would be defeated soundly. Without a standard or set of principles by which to interpret scripture it is just opinions which have no real value. Opinions only have value if the person giving it has proven to me by their character and walk with God that they are worthy of noting. That character and obsrvance of their walk with God cannot be seen on a mesage board. It is unwise to follw a person's opinion that has not proven their trustworthyness.

That being said — Would you like to list your principles by which yu intrpret scripture and we can begin to come to agreement on how to interpet the scriptures in question.

[martian]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 29 2008,04:53)

Hi Martian, I hope that your friend is doing better.  My dad has had years of heart trouble and some major surgeries.  I know that is hard. Truly, Martian, I'm not sure that I want to be part of your “game” if you are not going to consider my input and take it to heart and then have kind responses whether in favor or against my views.  I understand what you want us to do as far as getting to know the Hebrew mindset better and that is good.  Let me show you abit about my mindset: I would be more interested in discussion with those who were taking this more seriously (not as a game) and writing with the love of Christ.  But you think that is not possible on a message board.  I do, and take that as my challenge-to show God's love for others while reasoning together on this board and seeking truth together with those that are like-minded to show God's love.  If I don't sense love in responses from others then they lose credibility with me.  I am looking for someone to really impress me with wisdom and agape love.  They will be someone to listen to.  If you are willing to show God's love in your posts then I will be willing to discuss things with you otherwise it is not worth my time.  I hope that you understand.

I tried to say p-r-i-c-k my heart. Guess that is a no no word.

[martian]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 29 2008,04:53)

Hi Martian, I hope that your friend is doing better.  My dad has had years of heart trouble and some major surgeries.  I know that is hard. Truly, Martian, I'm not sure that I want to be part of your “game” if you are not going to consider my input and take it to heart and then have kind responses whether in favor or against my views.  I understand what you want us to do as far as getting to know the Hebrew mindset better and that is good.  Let me show you abit about my mindset: I would be more interested in discussion with those who were taking this more seriously (not as a game) and writing with the love of Christ.  But you think that is not possible on a message board.  I do, and take that as my challenge-to show God's love for others while reasoning together on this board and seeking truth together with those that are like-minded to show God's love.  If I don't sense love in responses from others then they lose credibility with me.  I am looking for someone to really impress me with wisdom and agape love.  They will be someone to listen to.  If you are willing to show God's love in your posts then I will be willing to discuss things with you otherwise it is not worth my time.  I hope that you understand.

I might add one more expansion on my previous post.
You say you want to discuss issues with those that take this sriously. I submit that not one on this board does that because no one has ever gotten agreement with any one else on principles of interpretation. That makes everything posted on here opinions and guesswork. No facts are established. How can I accept this as a ministry if it is only based on opinion? How can I trust my walk with God or the teachings I follow to someone elses opinions?

[martian]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 29 2008,04:53)

Hi Martian, I hope that your friend is doing better.  My dad has had years of heart trouble and some major surgeries.  I know that is hard. Truly, Martian, I'm not sure that I want to be part of your “game” if you are not going to consider my input and take it to heart and then have kind responses whether in favor or against my views.  I understand what you want us to do as far as getting to know the Hebrew mindset better and that is good.  Let me show you abit about my mindset: I would be more interested in discussion with those who were taking this more seriously (not as a game) and writing with the love of Christ.  But you think that is not possible on a message board.  I do, and take that as my challenge-to show God's love for others while reasoning together on this board and seeking truth together with those that are like-minded to show God's love.  If I don't sense love in responses from others then they lose credibility with me.  I am looking for someone to really impress me with wisdom and agape love.  They will be someone to listen to.  If you are willing to show God's love in your posts then I will be willing to discuss things with you otherwise it is not worth my time.  I hope that you understand.

Hey lightenup,
I have not received a response from you. Do you disagree with me that we should all follow honest interpretation principles?

It is a very profound act of love on my part to point out to others that they are going down the wrong path with dishonest interpretations. Should I let them go on to distruction? I do not even ask them to just follow my principes but ask them to show me theirs. The reason why most will not show me theirs is because they have no solid principles to follow. The only rule most follow is the rule of doctrine. They will only go as far as supports their doctrine. No farther! though same say they are atttempting to establishing a scriptural foundation on here they are really trying to establish their doctrinal stand on here. They have become doctrinal instead of scriptural. Tell me is that honest? Does that show love to another? Is that the love of God that leads them to Christ as truly seen in scripture or does it lead them to the Christ they have conjured in their doctrine.

[martian]

I will assume there are some that read these forums that are actually interested in truth more then proof. For them I will post a set of interpretation principles I have found usefull.

In order to properly understand scripture one must first understand the purpose for scripture. Scripture is the broad outline of God’s general plan to bring about His purpose for His creation. All scripture interpretation must serve that purpose. God does not deal with intellectual data exchange that does not serve His overall plan.
Ultimately we will not be judged by how we followed our particular interpretation of scripture, but on how much we became like Christ.

Here is a list of simple and basic principles to follow to derive at proper interpretation of scripture.

1.First pray that God will guide you into the truth.
2.There is only ONE truth.
3.God wants us to know His plan and His truth.
4.All scripture is inspired in the original text. No particular later translation is inspired of God.
5.All scripture can be used for teaching. No particular book or testament has precedent over the others.
6.The cannon of scripture was complete with the death of John.
7.God used the personalities, knowledge and culture of those that He inspired to pen the words.
8.Be more interested in truth then in proof. Be willing to set aside all preconceived ideas of doctrine to ascertain what the scriptures really say.
9.Never assume that an English translation of scripture is 100% accurate. (Even if it agrees with your particular preconceived idea of doctrine) In some cases scriptures have been added and words wrongly translated to support a particular doctrine or belief. English translations are a good starting place, but when a question arises about a particular verse it must be researched in the original language.
10.Never assume an understanding outside of the Hebrew Eastern Culture of Biblical times. The mindset of the ancient Hebrew people is vastly different then those of us raised in Western cultures. They perceived their world and related to it in ways that are very foreign to us. Because of this their writings carry different meanings for words then those we now assign to them. Since all scripture, both old and New Testaments were written by Hebrews, the mindset and culture of those writers is reflected throughout the entire Bible.
11.Keep your sources current. A great deal of archeological material has been discovered in the last 100 years. Some of this material clearly and honestly contradicts previously held concepts. In addition great work has been done in the realms of linguistics and language reconstruction.
12.Give more credence to clear scriptures over ambiguous ones. Never base a conclusion on ambiguous scriptures, especially when those interpretations contradict very clear scripture. When it is not possible to resolve all contradictions always side on the preponderance of evidence in clear scriptures.
13.Never take a particular verse out of context. The meaning of a scripture must hold within the context of that portion of verse and in the overall context of scripture.
14.Many understandings can come from understanding the climate, geography, the writer and to whom it as written,
15.The original text had no divisions into chapter and verse. Many verse are joined together by words such as “for” or “and”.
16.In the New Testament, those portions originally written in Greek were all in capitols and had no punctuation. All small case letters and punctuation was added at a later date and can reflect the bias of the editor.
17.When defining a particular word in scripture, first assume the primary definition of the word is correct, as can be found in a Bible dictionary. This should be supported by the vast majority of ways it is used in scripture. If a word carries an obvious meaning in a large majority of times it is used, do not assign another meaning to that word. Not even if it supports your doctrine.
18.God uses word stories and parables to teach. He also uses the physical realm to point to spiritual truth. God lives out of our linear time frame and speaks from that perspective.
19.Mental/intellectual understanding is worthless without experiential understanding of the truth.

Once a verse has been properly understood from these principles, it can be tested. In order to do this certain assumptions must be drawn from scripture.
1.God has certain attributes among them are omniscience, eternal, omnipotent, He is Spirit, He cannot be tempted, die or sin. God also has certain character traits. He is just and a fair judge. He loves all of His children. He is a father with a father’s heart. God’s motive is always love.
2.God has a plan for His creation, including man.
3.God wants us to now His plan for us, so that we can cooperate with Him to accomplish it.
4.Jesus Christ is the Messiah. His mission was two fold.
A.To be a blood sacrifice to purchase us back from our state of sin.
B.To be an example to humanity on how to perfectly walk with God and live a Godly life.
5.God wants us to know Jesus so that we can become like him. This includes knowing how he accomplished what he did so that we can do likewise.

If a person can agree with this general outline of God’s nature and plan then the conclusions are easy to test.

Once a person has come to a conclusion about a particular verse, one can test that conclusion by honestly seeking answers to the following questions.

1.Does the conclusion make Christ a more viable example for me or not?
2.Does the conclusion contradict the attributes or character/motives of God?
3.Does the conclusion bring the plan of God into more clarity or less.
4.Does the teaching/doctrine made from your interpretation produce fruit. Does it actually accomplish something within God’s plan for us to become like Christ, or is it just a mental exercise?

There are other principles that can be applied but this general overview is a very good starting place. If an interpretation can stand these proofs and tests, then that interpretation should be safe to accept.

[Lightenup]

Hi Martian,
I think that maybe you have much more time to be on here than I do. I am a busy mom with limited time. I have spent alot of time on here initially and now see the need to wrestle with truth more on my own. So, a rapid response discussion is not what you will get from me. I want to study more about the ancient Hebrew ways but I do not believe that the Holy Spirit is locked into that mindset and only inspires within that mindset. For instance an ancient Hebrew wrote that His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts. Who can give us understanding of the scriptures in a way that breathes meaning into them except the Holy Spirit?

Isa 55:8-9
8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.
9 “Foras the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
NASU

I agree with alot of your translation principles but disagree with some also. I think that you limit the Son of God's mission as two fold. Also, as I stated above, I think that you place too much weight on the ancient Hebrew mindset.

This is all I have to say for now.

[martian]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 30 2008,06:22)

Hi  Martian, I think that maybe you have much more time to be on here than I do.  I am a busy mom with limited time.  I have spent alot of time on here initially and now see the need to wrestle with truth more on my own.  So, a rapid response discussion is not what you will get from me.  I want to study more about the ancient Hebrew ways but I do not believe that the Holy Spirit is locked into that mindset and only inspires within that mindset.  For instance an ancient Hebrew wrote that His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts.  Who can give us understanding of the scriptures in a way that breathes meaning into them except the Holy Spirit? Isa 55:8-9 8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD. 9 “Foras the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts. NASU I agree with alot of your translation principles but disagree with some also.  I think that you limit the Son of God's mission as two fold.  Also, as I stated above, I think that you place too much weight on the ancient Hebrew mindset. This is all I have to say for now.

It is true that I have time on my hands. I am recovering from several surgeries and am sitting in a wheel chair. (temprarily I hope)

I would be curious to know what points in the interpretation principles you dissagree with and why.Of course I am willing to compromise to some degree, however there are many that would ignore almost all of them.
Of course there are aspects of Christ' ministry not included. The coment was meant to be in general.

I appreciate that you are at least willing to look at the Hebrew culture. That is more then many on here.

[Samuel]

This much debate about one topic should lead you to believe one thing.

There is truth in both of these Doctrines.

The only “True” doctrine is the one GOD made.

Not the one Man made.

When it comes down to the end…its gonna be GODS word against everyone elses.

I guess that goes without saying that GODS word will prevail.

[NickHassan]

Hi Samuel,
I disagree because the debate is not from the same foundation for both sides.
Those who offer that God is a trinity draw that teaching from inference and sources outside of scripture.
Those who protest this teaching do so on the basis that it is not taught in scripture and that truth is only found there.

[Samuel]

Ok its obvious that I failed to express my thoughts sufficiently, because I did not get the expected response.

Yes the Trinity is wrong I believe…at least in the sense that I've seen people try to explain it. However I do still believe there are three…or…at least there have been three different representations of GOD….obviously from what the bible says.
We can discern that GOD was Represented as GOD the Father, GOD the Son or the Son of GOD, and the Holy Ghost the Comforter…the Spirit of GOD. Well…GOD is Spirit.

Trust me…I don't understand it all. I know that GOD loves me…His son Jesus Christ Died on the Cross…spilled his blood as a payment for my foolish sins. And the Holy Ghost sure makes me feel better.

Thats what I know.
How to explain it all?

…

Lol…you can't.

There was a song I once heard that made a good attempt at it…
I believe it was called “Joy Unspeakable…and full of Glory”

Thats about right. We just can't even begin to fathom the things that GOD is capable of. Because with him ALL things are possible.

All Things.

Not just a couple…or a few…All Things are possible…nothing is to great for my GOD.

[NickHassan]

Hi Samuel,
God the Son is not a scriptural term.
It was added by those who added the trinity theory of God.

[Lightenup]

Hi Martian,
I'm sorry that you have had to deal with alot of health issues.  I hope that you are done with surgeries for a good while now.  One of my best friends is in a wheelchair because of MS or mold we aren't sure.  I hope you get out of it soon.  It does slow life down abit and give you more time for spiritual reflection, I'm sure.  I imagine that you will appreciate those in a wheelchair more having to be confined to one yourself.

Regarding your list of guidelines for Bible interpretations, I think that these three points need to be rewritten:
You wrote:

10. Never assume an understanding outside of the Hebrew Eastern Culture of Biblical times. The mindset of the ancient Hebrew people is vastly different then those of us raised in Western cultures. They perceived their world and related to it in ways that are very foreign to us. Because of this their writings carry different meanings for words then those we now assign to them. Since all scripture, both old and New Testaments were written by Hebrews, the mindset and culture of those writers is reflected throughout the entire Bible.

4. Jesus Christ is the Messiah. His mission was two fold.
A. To be a blood sacrifice to purchase us back from our state of sin.
B. To be an example to humanity on how to perfectly walk with God and live a Godly life.

5. God wants us to know Jesus so that we can become like him. This includes knowing how he accomplished what he did so that we can do likewise.

I would say it more like this:

10. It is important to consider the culture and customs of the times, and mindset of the writers of the scripture but remember that the meaning belongs to God. The Holy Spirit brings understanding and the mindset of God is the ultimate mindset to seek. The mindset of the ancient Hebrew people is vastly different then those of us raised in Western cultures and it is possible to be different than God's mindset also. They perceived their world and related to it in ways that are very foreign to us. Because of this their writings carry different meanings for words then those we now assign to them. Since all scripture, both old and New Testaments were probably written by Hebrews, the mindset and culture of those writers is reflected throughout the entire Bible.

4. Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the only begotten Son of God, our Savior, conceived by the Holy Spirit, and born of a virgin when He became flesh,  and had other roles not listed. Part of His mission was:
A. To be a blood sacrifice to purchase us back from our state of sin.
B. To be an example to humanity on how to perfectly walk with God and live a Godly life.

5. God wants us to know Jesus so that we can become like him. This includes knowing how he accomplished what he did so that we can also do whatever God wants us to do.

How's that??

[Samuel]

I know GOD the Son is not in the bible.

However where do you think such a notion was derived from?

There are scriptures that insinuate that Jesus was equal to GOD…

Philipp 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Luke 4:12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

3Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

John 13 (King James Version)

14If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.

15For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

16Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

17If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

18I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.

19Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.

20Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

I know I do a lot of “Preaching” on people that take scriptures and say “This is what this really means”. Well if people had the Holy Ghost…and were to read the bible or these scriptures…and better yet…have prayed earnestly that GOD would open their eyes and show them the meaning of his word to them. We would probably not have to explain everything to everyone…We could do more “Support” “Preaching” rather then instructional “Preaching” …the Holy Ghost is a wonderful teacher.

He can show you some stuff.

There are others that the Oneness have pointed out to me where they have said that Jesus said that he was the I am…at least thats what I think they were saying that it said.

Luke 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

Then I've had people try to explain all sorts of things to me all sorts of ways.

Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

I'm not super sure on this…but If Jesus was in fact GOD himself Why did not Peter answer with such? And, furthermore…Jesus would have surely corrected him had he been wrong in his answer…instead Jesus congratulates him for answering correctly.

Matthew 16:17
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Mark 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.

Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

I would peradventure to say its safe to say, that the Unclean spirits most certainly knew who he was…should they not have addressed him as GOD? Yet, they address him as the Son of GOD.

Now…my belief is this:

I would venture to say that Jesus got the Holy Ghost at the time that he was Baptized. Thus, the very spirit of GOD was in him. Because their are several scriptures where Jesus states that the Father dwells in him, and he in the Father.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 14:11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

I believe that being as it were…the Holy Ghost was with him…or at the very least the very spirit of GOD was with him. In any event it was to show how that what he was doing was going to open the door for us to have the same. Which is to be in direct fellowship with GOD again.

Now…I've most likely got some stuff wrong…maybe. But I can tell you this that GOD loves me, Jesus Christ died for my sins…and has confessed me to the Father…thus allowing me to have the Holy Ghost and fellowship directly with the Father.

And it feels Greeeeeeat!
That is the truth that I do know.

[NickHassan]

Hi Samuel,
You say that Jesus was equal with God.
No the Son was never said anywhere to be equal to his God.
Inference is the weakest form of evidence when the standard is that it is written.

You quote
“Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Luke 4:12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.”

Well of course if Jesus had jumped off the top of the temple he would have been testing his God.

He was allowed to be tempted and in fact scripture says was tested in every way we are.

Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

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