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Hi Is 1.18,
We too can be anointed and enabled to follow Christ by the Spirit.
God can be in us too.Eph 3
” 17That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,18May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,10:34) He brought no advantages with him so we can follow him.
scripture please.Is 1:18
Here we are told that Messiah did not esteem Himself as YHWH. Y'shua knows His position and how He came to be in that position.
Y'shua says, “No one comes to the Father, but by me.”
Also, Y'shua says, “Not My will, but yours.”Hi Is 1.18,
Christ was a man.Acts 2
“22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: “A child of God anointed by God to do His works.
Now those in him can continue that work in his name.
Acts 4
27For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,28For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
29And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
30By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus. “
Acts 10
“38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. “Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,10:44) Hi Is 1.18,
Christ was a man.Acts 2
“22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: “A child of God anointed by God to do His works.
Now those in him can continue that work in his name.
Acts 4
27For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,28For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
29And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
30By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus. “
Acts 10
“38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. “
No kidding….
Ph. 2:7
He emptied Himself.
According to the Feast of Unleavened Bread, we, the body and bread of Messiah, are not to be leavened, puffed up, with sinfull pride, as the Pharisees. We are to behave as servants, our bodies not full of sin. We are to empty ourselves of it. Y'shua Messiah saw that and emptied Himself, He put it far away from Himself. He rebuked sin and all who represent it.Laurel,
Let me be specific. What do you think Paul meant when he wrote Yeshua existed in the “form of God”?Zech. 14 speaks of the day when all will see, and none will bicker about trinities or any other man-made doctrine.
Y'shua Himself said, If you want to know who the Father is then get to know Me, because I am in My Father and My Father is in Me.
“I am He.”
YHWH made Y'ashua His likeness, so that all who know Messiah would also know the Father. The power of the Set-apart Spirit at work.YHWH gave Y'shua form. We humans look for forms or physical things because we do not see with our soul. We see with our eyes. Now if the Set-apart Spirit dwells in us, we see with it, and not our eyes.
I'm not having much luck getting any solid answer from you Laurel.
Read Zech 14 carefully. Ask yourself this – whose feet will stand on the Mt of Olives?
It's interesting that Yeshua said “I am in My Father and My Father is in Me”
What do you think He meant by this?
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KejonnYou say…
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No, the President is not greater than any other man. He is just a man, he was born with no more privileges than any other man. He just happen to have more political power than the average person.Look around you are making my point!
Jesus is God in the flesh. John 1:1 1:14. Phil 2
Because he has submitted to the Father does not diminish his nature, does it?
OK, now I know your responses are a ruse. Not clever ones mind you, but ruses nonetheless
.I just got through saying the Prez is not greater than me. But Yeshua did say his Father was greater than he.
John 14:28 – “You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you ' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
“Greater than I” does not equate to “submitted to”. I “submit to” my boss but he is not “greater than” me.
So…what point was I making for you?
Quote Yes Jesus is both God and man! John 1:1 1:14 Phil 2. Heb 1:8.
Zech 14, (Zech 12:10 and John 19:37) and (John 12:37-41 and Isa 6:1-5) and Isa 9:6,7. etc, etc.Exactly. You get “God and Man”. You get the “Monogenes” 'Unique' Son of God.
Son of God. Son of man.
Not merely God! Not merely man! But both God and Man!
Cool, since the Father is just God, and Yeshua is God and Man, then he must be greater than his Father! I mean, after all, the Father can't even pull that off. Yay Yeshua.No wait, if that is the case, we know Man is lower than God, why lower than angels, that makes Yeshua less than the Father because of his mixture with human. WJ, you henotheist you
. So it does go well with the Hebrews 1:4 about him being much better than angels. Thanks for clarifying the math, it looks like this
God>Angels>Man
Son = God X Man
Father>Son>Angels>ManQuote 1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.You should stick with scriptures my friend, they are more trust worthy than the ideas of the carnal mind!
Eww, the word “carnal” hath been tossed about! I find that when people resort to such tactics they are on the ropes. Thats OK, sticks and stones and all.Manifest – “To show or demonstrate plainly; reveal”
Yes, Yeshua was the “image of the invisible God”. So, he would reveal God to those than encountered him. But revealing does not make one that person. Nor does demonstrating. Nor does showing. Now if it had said “God came in the flesh” then you'd have a verse worth using for your doctrine, but, alas, Paul did you no such favor. That Paul!
Quote (Laurel @ July 15 2007,11:00) YHWH gave Y'shua form. We humans look for forms or physical things because we do not see with our soul. We see with our eyes. Now if the Set-apart Spirit dwells in us, we see with it, and not our eyes.
I have no idea how this relates to Phil 2:6.That is like asking which is greater, the Spirit of Truth or the Spirit of the Word. They are both of the Spirit.
I'm not asking which is greater of the Father or Son, that's obvious, I'm asking how is the Father greater than the Son….
Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 15 2007,09:34) Quote (IM4Truth @ July 15 2007,03:14) It is said, that HIS DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY, finds its best expression in his late work “Adversus Praxean”. And it is in this doctrine and in Christology, that he made his greatest contribution to THEOLOGY. STOP! Back up a bit; let's read that again:
HIS DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY?” Well now I'm not surprised anymore, that I can't find it in the Bible.
Why wouldn't Tertullian invent a triune God; all the other religion had more than one, it made Christianity more popular.
Tertullian died after 220A.D.
Paul calls the Gospel that was entrusted to him – “my Gospel” (2 Timothy 2:8). That does not mean he invented it…..It's not proof.
Where is the evidence that Tertullian was the very first person to concieve the doctrine? And even if there was such evidence, you'll still need to show that the Holy Spirit unequivocally did not reveal it to him, for it to be a legitimate “man made” doctrine.Blessings
Haha, there is this reasoning again. I debated with an atheist some time back who used the very same tactics you use. He always felt that lack of admission could be used as evidence. Like you saying that Yeshua never said he wasn't God. Here you are wanting to have someone prove that the Holy Spirit did not reveal something. I suppose one is to scan the writings of Tertullian for a phrase such as “I want you to know, the Holy Spirit did not guide me in writing this”. You know good and well you won't find it.If I read a book that says Paul was really a cross-dresser who was kicked out of the Sanhedrin because he liked to wear women's clothes, I suppose I could believe it since Paul never said he didn't do such a thing. Imagine how many things we can use to come up with a theology based on what isn't written in the Bible. Its all fair game. Let's make it up as we go.
Is 1:18
Here we are told that Messiah did not esteem Himself as YHWH. Y'shua knows His position and how He came to be in that position.
Y'shua says, “No one comes to the Father, but by me.”
Also, Y'shua says, “Not My will, but yours.”
This is how I understand Ph. 2:6Then about asking the same question again about who is greater?
My answer is :You ask foolish questions.Well I just thought you and WJ were arguing at cross purposes. I have yet to see you define how you understand “greatness” in the context in which it is used of the Father relative to Yeshua. Don't you think you should at least explain it to him so that he may know whether he agrees or disagree with you?
In what sense is the Father greater than the Son?
It's a simple question.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 15 2007,11:02) Quote (Laurel @ July 15 2007,11:00) YHWH gave Y'shua form. We humans look for forms or physical things because we do not see with our soul. We see with our eyes. Now if the Set-apart Spirit dwells in us, we see with it, and not our eyes.
I have no idea how this relates to Phil 2:6.
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