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The Spirit is One, eminating frome the Father, through the Son to those who believe in the Son and obey the Torah of the Father.
Y'shua Messiah, born of a woman, flesh, who's Father is YHWH. Y'shua Messiah, born of the Spirit, to fulfull the works given to Him by His Father, to make full the promise to those who believe and follow Him.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,09:41) Hi Is 1.18,
Were these men inspired to bring new teachings after the apostles?
The proof is whether or not they referenced the teachings of Jesus as the Spirit does not speak of His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Christ.
So as they brought new teachings the answer is no.
They were guided by some other spirit.
John 16:12-13
12″I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13″But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.Quote (Laurel @ July 15 2007,10:08) Y'shua Messiah, born of a woman, flesh, who's Father is YHWH. Y'shua Messiah, born of the Spirit, to fulfull the works given to Him by His Father, to make full the promise to those who believe and follow Him.
So Yeshua was just a man? Nothing more?Why is it stated that he “existed in the form of God” (Phil 2:6)?
Hi Is1.18,
You want to speak of his nature before he emptied himself and came?
Certainly he was made like to us in all ways on earth so he was not God as we are not.
He did not exist in the form of God on earth did he but in the form of man.
He was not God but God was in him reconciling the world to himself.
The fullness of deity was in him.Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 15 2007,10:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,09:41) Hi Is 1.18,
Were these men inspired to bring new teachings after the apostles?
The proof is whether or not they referenced the teachings of Jesus as the Spirit does not speak of His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Christ.
So as they brought new teachings the answer is no.
They were guided by some other spirit.
John 16:12-13
12″I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13″But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
ExactlyQuote (WorshippingJesus @ July 15 2007,07:25) K True. Trinitarians are being stoned for calling Jesus God!
Wha? Are you trying to say Bob Marley was a Trinitarian?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,10:16) Hi Is1.18,
You want to speak of his nature before he emptied himself and came?
Certainly he was made like to us in all ways on earth so he was not God as we are not.
He did not exist in the form of God on earth did he but in the form of man.
He was not God but God was in him reconciling the world to himself.
The fullness of deity was in him.
Philippians 2:5-7 doesn't state what he emptied Himself of. Isn't it your mantra that we should stick to what is written….Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 15 2007,10:10) Quote (Laurel @ July 15 2007,10:08) Y'shua Messiah, born of a woman, flesh, who's Father is YHWH. Y'shua Messiah, born of the Spirit, to fulfull the works given to Him by His Father, to make full the promise to those who believe and follow Him.
So Yeshua was just a man? Nothing more?Why is it stated that he “existed in the form of God” (Phil 2:6)?
Hi Is 1.18,
Did you think Christ was not a man?
Scripture says he was several times.
Would you make him more than a man?
Perhaps a god/man like not3?
Are there men in scripture who are more than men?
Was Elisha who raised someone from the dead more than an ordinary man empowered by God?
God deserves all the glory from whatever works he does here-He does not share His glory with another..I cannot follow a god/man-can you?
Is 1:18
Now you are doing the same thing Nick does. Taking a piece of the entire meaning, and looking at it.
I said also, Y'shua born of the Spirit. This is why you two do not understand Scripture, the blind, leading the blind.
You will both fall into a ditch.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,10:22) I cannot follow a god/man-can you?
Yes I can. What you can/cannot follow is of no significance to the rest of humanity….Hey everyone,
Y'shua came in the flesh. He lived without sin for a example to us on how we should live also. The Spirit decended on Him from above, and a voice came out of the heavens, “This is MY SON in whom I AM well pleased.” Do not deny the power of the Set-apart Spirit.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,10:23) Hi Is 1.18,
Scripture does say Christ was like us in all ways..
So are you more than a man?
Does it? Name another man that:-1. Existed in the form of God.
2. Was God in the beginning.
3. Was was the result of a conception involving YHWH.
4. Has (or has had) the fullness of theotes in him.
5. is the exact representation of God's nature.
6. Was/is without sin.
7. Is to be honoured “even as” the Father is.
8. Can be described as the Alpha and Omega.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 15 2007,08:17) not3 Of course he is not the Father he has.
No more than you are your husband! but you are still equally human!
Fallacys in an attempt to discredit the very nature of who Jesus is!
Haha. WJ, I'm beginning to think your posts are a ruse. They only make sense to someone who is saying blue is red and won't believe otherwise.The verse has a flow, an equality, here's how it works. Think mathematically.
The Father=My Father=Your Father
My Father=My God
Your Father=Your GodSince all of these are equal, it is like this
The Father=My Father=Your Father=My God=Your GodAnd you just though basic math was a waste
.Quote (Laurel @ July 15 2007,10:24) Is 1:18
Now you are doing the same thing Nick does. Taking a piece of the entire meaning, and looking at it.
I said also, Y'shua born of the Spirit. This is why you two do not understand Scripture, the blind, leading the blind.
You will both fall into a ditch.
Laurel,
Tell me how you understand Phil 2:6.Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 15 2007,10:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,10:23) Hi Is 1.18,
Scripture does say Christ was like us in all ways..
So are you more than a man?
Does it? Name another man that:-1. Existed in the form of God.
2. Was God in the beginning.
3. Was was the result of a conception involving YHWH.
4. Has (or has had) the fullness of theotes in him.
5. is the exact representation of God's nature.
6. Was/is without sin.
7. Is to be honoured “even as” the Father is.
8. Can be described as the Alpha and Omega.
Hi Is 1.18,
Do not confuse his origins with his state on earth.
He brought no advantages with him so we can follow him.Acts 2
“22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
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