The Trinity Doctrine

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July 5, 2007 at 3:37 am#58074

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Hi IS1.18 Chap gave you a good answer. But here is my study.
John 10:30 Jesus is saying that the Father and I are one

Ephesians 4:4 says there is only one Holy Spirit and that combines the Father to Jesus

Phil 2:5 THE SPIRIT OF THE FATHER IS IN CHRIST AND BOTH ARE IN US, THAT IS HOW WE ALL BECOME ONE WITH THE FATHER.

Jesus is our new High Priest and Mediator between the Father and us.
Now we can go directly to the Throne of God through Jesus,confessing our Sins,and receive forgiveness's instantly; how wonderful is that!
Also when we worship Jesus, we worship the Father.
The next scriptures show that the Father and Son are one in Spirit and Purpose, not in person.

John 8:28 I do nothing of myself, but as my Father has taught I speak these things.

John7:16 Jesus said:” my doctrine is not mine, but His that send me.”

John5:19 The Son can do nothing of Himself.

one more thought that I just had, since the subject is on the trinity doctrine, the last scriptures also shows you that Jesus is not co-equal with the Father, like the trinity doctrine claims. Thank you for your reply

July 5, 2007 at 12:18 pm#58104

acertainchap

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Exactly. :laugh:

July 5, 2007 at 3:12 pm#58115

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kejonn,not3in1 andWJ Why are you all so confused about who God is? First you have to realize that God is a title

1Corinth. 8:5 and 2 Corinth. 4:4 It means Mighty one, a powerful one etc. Paul called Satan ” God of this World.”
In ancient times Kings were called “Gods.”

The Romans had many Gods like the God of Thunder, God of Lightning, God of rain etc.

Now I like to address some of what kejonn wrote:

First when I study I only us the King James Bible, because I have found that the NIV has added certain words to support the trinity doctrine. We do have a NIV, but we never use it.

I also don't believe that any Scripture is weak. It might seem that way to you, but to others it might be just what they at that time. You have to remember that we all grow in different levels.

I hope you don't mind if I ask you a Personal Question:” Have you been Baptized according to scripture, I mean submerged under water?”

Coming out of the Cath. Church I know it makes a difference. My personal experience was amazing.
But back to your Post!

John 20:28 what sounds so odd to you? Jesus is talking to Thomas that didn't believe that Christ had risen from the Death. There is no problem here, it talks about Jesus nothing or nobody else.

Romans 9:5 Again no scripture is weak or odd.
You have to read before and after 9:5 to get the whole picture, you can't take scripture out of context, Otherwise you can get lost.

Titus 2:13 no weak
Again God is a title. It is speaking about Jesus being the Mighty one, but not THE ALMIGHTY ONE THE FATHER.

I WILL POST THIS, EVENTHO i HAVE NOT ADRESSED VERYTHING YOU WROTE

July 5, 2007 at 3:29 pm#58116

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sorry made a couple of spelling errors on my last post- that is what happens when you are to tired

July 5, 2007 at 5:10 pm#58124

Laurel

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Nick,
When I read these posts of yours, I wonder where your coming from. First I wonder if you know that much of the book of Ez is not yet come to pass, as is the book of Zech. And I ask you nicely, beg you to please refer to Father or the Son, and God as plural as in they are both Elohim through the Spirit. God and theos are Elohim and Elohim can not be the Father only. Does that make sense. I just need you to clarify God every time you write it because as I understand, God is plural. I think you refer to God as the Father when you say it. Am I correct?
As for Not 3's comments to me, we are on the same page as far as YHWH Father/Y'shua Son, but the Spirit is One and the same. Y'shua Messiah is fully vested with the authority of the Father.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Yes we may pray dear Father in heaven, but through the Messiah, for He is our mediator. He is the fulfillment of the duty of the high priest of the old covenant, who went before the ark of the covenant, the Holy Seat of Elohim on earth. We no longer go to this priest with our confessions we take it Y'shua Messiah.

Heb. 9:15 says He is the mediator of the new covenant.
Heb. 2:17 says Y'shua is the faithfull high priest to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Finally, if we do not recognize the Son when we pray to the Father, He can't hear our prayers.

July 5, 2007 at 5:28 pm#58129

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Hi Laurel,
Sorry but we do not write posts according to your understanding as it is unscriptural.
God is one.
There could not be true agreed unity unless God and His Son had been two beings.

July 5, 2007 at 5:37 pm#58130

TimothyVI

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Quote (IM4Truth @ July 06 2007,03:30)

sorry made a couple of spelling errors on my last post- that is what happens when you are to tired

Yeah, you double post.

Tim

July 5, 2007 at 5:44 pm#58133

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Quote (IM4Truth @ July 06 2007,03:12)

Now I like to address some of what kejonn wrote:

First when I study I only us the King James Bible, because I have found that the NIV has added certain words to support the trinity doctrine. We do have a NIV, but we never use it.

I also don't believe that any Scripture is weak. It might seem that way to you, but to others it might be just what they at that time. You have to remember that we all grow in different levels.

I hope you don't mind if I ask you a Personal Question:” Have you been Baptized according to scripture, I mean submerged under water?”

You may find it interesting that Billy Graham's wife, Ruth, was never baptized; that is, “fully submerged under water.”

Do you think she will enjoy Paradise when she is raised (she just recently died)?

IM4Truth – thank you for sharing the truth you know!

July 5, 2007 at 5:49 pm#58135

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Quote (Laurel @ July 06 2007,05:10)

Laurel,

I have to agree with Nick. I've thought about your teaching with “God being plural” and “Elohim is both God and Jesus” and I just don't get it. Sorry.

July 5, 2007 at 6:00 pm#58138

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Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 03 2007,21:50)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 03 2007,21:32)

Hi Is 1.18,
You constantly insist that Jesus is the God YHWH who is his Father.
So when this God introduced Himself here
Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, ” I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'”

Who was speaking.

The Father,

The Son,

The Spirit

or a trinity?

Okay Nick, prove to me that this was the Father speaking. Give me scriptural evidence, not your personal theology.

Isaiah,
I would still like to hear your answer to Nick's question when you have time?

WJ – would you care to answer too?

Thanks, brothers.

July 5, 2007 at 6:03 pm#58140

Laurel

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Not 3 I already had that figured out about you, Nick I wasn't so sure of. I do not want any one to change things for me, I just want to know exactly who it is you mean when you say God.
And so I'll ask one more time, to please define for me, so I know exactly whrer you stand.

July 5, 2007 at 6:07 pm#58141

Laurel

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Not 3,
Simply put, the power of the Spirit makes them One.

July 5, 2007 at 6:13 pm#58143

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Quote (Laurel @ July 06 2007,06:07)

Not 3,
Simply put, the power of the Spirit makes them One.

God is the Father – WHO he is.
God is spirit – WHAT he is.

Jesus is the Son of God – WHO he is.
Jesus is a divine man – WHAT he is.

July 5, 2007 at 7:24 pm#58152

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Not3in1 That was a personal experience and has nothing to do if someone is going to Paradise or not. We will all sleep in the grave, and so will Mrs. Graham until Christ returns. Read in Rev., you probably have,what will happens next.
I hope I didn't open a can of worms.
you didn't answer what I wrote why you have a problems with what God is? Mrs.IM4Truth

July 5, 2007 at 7:41 pm#58157

Worshipping Jesus

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Quote (Not3in1 @ July 06 2007,06:13)

Quote (Laurel @ July 06 2007,06:07)

Not 3,
Simply put, the power of the Spirit makes them One.

God is the Father – WHO he is.
God is spirit – WHAT he is.

Jesus is the Son of God – WHO he is.
Jesus is a divine man – WHAT he is.

not3

I see you have been learning from t8.

Well you do know that you just called Jesus God dont you.

You say…

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God is the Father – WHO he is.
God is spirit – WHAT he is.

So the Spirit is “What God is”.

There is “One Spirit” correct?

Now we know that Jesus is the Spirit according to the following…

Eph 2:18
For through him we both have access by *one Spirit* unto the Father.

2 Cor 3:17
Now the Lord(Kurios) is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord(Kurios) is, there is liberty.

1 Cor 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

2 Cor 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus (Yeshua)Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Rom 8:
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

If the Spirit is “What God is” then Jesus is What God is!

The Word was with God and the Word was God!

July 5, 2007 at 7:42 pm#58158

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Quote (Not3in1 @ July 06 2007,05:44)

Quote (IM4Truth @ July 06 2007,03:12)

Now I like to address some of what kejonn wrote:

First when I study I only us the King James Bible, because I have found that the NIV has added certain words to support the trinity doctrine. We do have a NIV, but we never use it.

I also don't believe that any Scripture is weak. It might seem that way to you, but to others it might be just what they at that time. You have to remember that we all grow in different levels.

I hope you don't mind if I ask you a Personal Question:” Have you been Baptized according to scripture, I mean submerged under water?”

You may find it interesting that Billy Graham's wife, Ruth, was never baptized; that is, “fully submerged under water.”

Do you think she will enjoy Paradise when she is raised (she just recently died)?

IM4Truth – thank you for sharing the truth you know!

Hi not3,
Are you sure the mason BG was a true servant of God?
Did you ever read his salvation message?
I did and it was different to the gospel.

July 5, 2007 at 7:44 pm#58159

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Quote (Not3in1 @ July 06 2007,06:13)

Quote (Laurel @ July 06 2007,06:07)

Not 3,
Simply put, the power of the Spirit makes them One.

God is the Father – WHO he is.
God is spirit – WHAT he is.

Jesus is the Son of God – WHO he is.
Jesus is a divine man – WHAT he is.

Hi not3
You say
“Jesus is a divine man – WHAT he is.”
Is this written?

He is a man.
There are no divine men or women in scripture.

July 5, 2007 at 7:45 pm#58160