The Trinity Doctrine

[NickHassan]

Quote (Tim2 @ June 07 2007,05:18)

Student, You've come to the wrong place.  This is not a Christian website.  It is a wicked pagan website full of heretics and blasphemers who deny that Jesus is one with the Father.  Your best bet is to flee from this website, block it from your computer, and never come back.  Instead, talk to the pastor and elders of your church, and read the Christian classics on the Trinity by Athanasius, Hillary of Poitiers, Gregory of Nyssa, and Augustine. Tim

Hi Tim2,
Do you give advice that you do not follow??

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Tim2 @ June 08 2007,00:18)

Student, You've come to the wrong place. This is not a Christian website. It is a wicked pagan website full of heretics and blasphemers who deny that Jesus is one with the Father. Your best bet is to flee from this website, block it from your computer, and never come back. Instead, talk to the pastor and elders of your church, and read the Christian classics on the Trinity by Athanasius, Hillary of Poitiers, Gregory of Nyssa, and Augustine. Tim

Tim2.

Why don't you take your own advice.

Have you heard of the saying “practice what you preach”?

Or could it really be that you are here to persecute us for the truth that is in us and to also stop people from learning that truth.

Remember the Pharisees? That is what they did.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 08 2007,01:09)

Quote (Tim2 @ June 07 2007,05:18) Student, You've come to the wrong place. This is not a Christian website. It is a wicked pagan website full of heretics and blasphemers who deny that Jesus is one with the Father. Your best bet is to flee from this website, block it from your computer, and never come back. Instead, talk to the pastor and elders of your church, and read the Christian classics on the Trinity by Athanasius, Hillary of Poitiers, Gregory of Nyssa, and Augustine. Tim In other words: don't think for yourself. Don't ever question. Don't wonder and ponder the Word of God. Don't ever read anything that isn't officially from the Church. Don't look at the other side of the coin. Do fear. OR, you can simply trust that God has you in his hand and as a child of God, you are free to ask questions and wonder about things. Trust me, you won't lose your salvation for checking out other's beliefs. Tim2 is motivated by fear only. Just watch his posts and you will see how he is afraid to be attacked, and yet he freely attacks. It's sad. Don't let him sour you, Student. Be a student. Learn. Explore. Discover who God is. Have Fun! May you grow in your depth of insight Tim2………chill out, brother.

Amen

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Tim2 @ June 07 2007,05:18)

Student, You've come to the wrong place.  This is not a Christian website.  It is a wicked pagan website full of heretics and blasphemers who deny that Jesus is one with the Father.  Your best bet is to flee from this website, block it from your computer, and never come back.  Instead, talk to the pastor and elders of your church, and read the Christian classics on the Trinity by Athanasius, Hillary of Poitiers, Gregory of Nyssa, and Augustine. Tim

Tim

Keep preaching the truth Brother!

Jn 1:5
*And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.*

Student.

Tim speaks the truth, and if your faith is strong in the Word, hang around. Let the light of Gods truth shine bright!

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
Are you a devotee of the creeds of men too?
Do you agree with Tim2 that those who do not should not be allowed to live?

[Not3in1]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 07 2007,12:00)

Quote (Tim2 @ June 07 2007,05:18) Student, You've come to the wrong place.  This is not a Christian website.  It is a wicked pagan website full of heretics and blasphemers who deny that Jesus is one with the Father.  Your best bet is to flee from this website, block it from your computer, and never come back.  Instead, talk to the pastor and elders of your church, and read the Christian classics on the Trinity by Athanasius, Hillary of Poitiers, Gregory of Nyssa, and Augustine. Tim Tim Keep preaching the truth Brother! Jn 1:5 *And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.* Student. Tim speaks the truth, and if your faith is strong in the Word, hang around. Let the light of Gods truth shine bright!

WJ, I'm disappointed to learn that you, too, think I am a wicked – pagen – heretic.  If you agree with Tim, then I have been wrong about you all along…..

[Not3in1]

Quote (t8 @ June 07 2007,10:35)

Quote (Tim2 @ June 08 2007,00:18) Student, You've come to the wrong place.  This is not a Christian website.  It is a wicked pagan website full of heretics and blasphemers who deny that Jesus is one with the Father.  Your best bet is to flee from this website, block it from your computer, and never come back.  Instead, talk to the pastor and elders of your church, and read the Christian classics on the Trinity by Athanasius, Hillary of Poitiers, Gregory of Nyssa, and Augustine. Tim Tim2. Why don't you take your own advice.

A thousand Amen's!

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,14:50)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 07 2007,12:00) Quote (Tim2 @ June 07 2007,05:18) Student, You've come to the wrong place.  This is not a Christian website.  It is a wicked pagan website full of heretics and blasphemers who deny that Jesus is one with the Father.  Your best bet is to flee from this website, block it from your computer, and never come back.  Instead, talk to the pastor and elders of your church, and read the Christian classics on the Trinity by Athanasius, Hillary of Poitiers, Gregory of Nyssa, and Augustine. Tim Tim Keep preaching the truth Brother! Jn 1:5 *And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.* Student. Tim speaks the truth, and if your faith is strong in the Word, hang around. Let the light of Gods truth shine bright! WJ, I'm disappointed to learn that you, too, think I am a wicked – pagen – heretic.  If you agree with Tim, then I have been wrong about you all along…..

not3

I do believe that there is wicked heretics that come to this site!

Dont you?
I prefer to let the scriptures speak and let God be the judge of the heart.

However, this does not mean that one shouldnt be able to call a spade a spade.

I have not called you such and I am dissapointed at you for saying that I have.

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
Tim preaches creeds.
Do you?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2007,08:21)

Hi W, Tim preaches creeds. Do you?

NH

If the creeds agree with scriptures then Yes!

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
So scripture is not enough?
Sola Scriptura?

[Not3in1]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 08 2007,08:16)

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,14:50) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 07 2007,12:00) Quote (Tim2 @ June 07 2007,05:18) Student, You've come to the wrong place.  This is not a Christian website.  It is a wicked pagan website full of heretics and blasphemers who deny that Jesus is one with the Father.  Your best bet is to flee from this website, block it from your computer, and never come back.  Instead, talk to the pastor and elders of your church, and read the Christian classics on the Trinity by Athanasius, Hillary of Poitiers, Gregory of Nyssa, and Augustine. Tim Tim Keep preaching the truth Brother! Jn 1:5 *And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.* Student. Tim speaks the truth, and if your faith is strong in the Word, hang around. Let the light of Gods truth shine bright! WJ, I'm disappointed to learn that you, too, think I am a wicked – pagen – heretic.  If you agree with Tim, then I have been wrong about you all along….. not3 I do believe that there is wicked heretics that come to this site! Dont you? I prefer to let the scriptures speak and let God be the judge of the heart. However, this does not mean that one shouldnt be able to call a spade a spade. I have not called you such and I am dissapointed at you for saying that I have.

Tim was referring to me (among others) who do not embrace his theology – calling us those terrible names – and then you said, “Keep preaching the truth brother!” Essentially agreeing with his ridicule of us. Whatever, it's no longer important to me. I've cried my little tears and have received love from those who have the love of Christ in their hearts. I am so thankful for those brothers and sisters (you know who you are).

Love will speak louder than any theology.

[kenrch]

A child of God that is deceived is still a child of God. All that believe in Jesus have the right to become children of God.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

I've said that all though I believe I have brothers and sisters in the Catholic church because they are deceived, THEY don't consider me a brother because I refuse to believe in the Trinity and all of their false teachings.

Sad isn't it that the Irish murder one another over doctrine that neither is true.

Their true colors have come out for all to see. This is the love of the Harlot that has not changed since she slaughtered saints that would not adhere to her lies.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kenrch @ June 08 2007,12:56)

A child of God that is deceived is still a child of God.  All that believe in Jesus have the right to become children of God. Joh 1:12  But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: I've said that all though I believe I have brothers and sisters in the Catholic church because they are deceived, THEY don't consider me a brother because I refuse to believe in the Trinity and all of their false teachings. Sad isn't it that the Irish murder one another over doctrine that neither is true. Their true colors have come out for all to see.  This is the love of the Harlot that has not changed since she slaughtered saints that would not adhere to her lies.

Kenrch

LOL. You and others accuse Trinitarians of doing the same thing you are doing right now.

Yet somehow that makes you better?

Now you resort to calling Trinitarians children of murderers?

Do you think that Trinitarians havnt died for their faith at the hands of Arians?

Tell me something how is your ridicule of our faith any different than Tims of yours?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 08 2007,12:33)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 08 2007,08:16) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 07 2007,14:50) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 07 2007,12:00) Quote (Tim2 @ June 07 2007,05:18) Student, You've come to the wrong place.  This is not a Christian website.  It is a wicked pagan website full of heretics and blasphemers who deny that Jesus is one with the Father.  Your best bet is to flee from this website, block it from your computer, and never come back.  Instead, talk to the pastor and elders of your church, and read the Christian classics on the Trinity by Athanasius, Hillary of Poitiers, Gregory of Nyssa, and Augustine. Tim Tim Keep preaching the truth Brother! Jn 1:5 *And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.* Student. Tim speaks the truth, and if your faith is strong in the Word, hang around. Let the light of Gods truth shine bright! WJ, I'm disappointed to learn that you, too, think I am a wicked – pagen – heretic.  If you agree with Tim, then I have been wrong about you all along….. not3 I do believe that there is wicked heretics that come to this site! Dont you? I prefer to let the scriptures speak and let God be the judge of the heart. However, this does not mean that one shouldnt be able to call a spade a spade. I have not called you such and I am dissapointed at you for saying that I have. Tim was referring to me (among others) who do not embrace his theology – calling us those terrible names – and then you said, “Keep preaching the truth brother!”  Essentially agreeing with his ridicule of us.  Whatever, it's no longer important to me.  I've cried my little tears and have received love from those who have the love of Christ in their hearts.  I am so thankful for those brothers and sisters (you know who you are).   Love will speak louder than any theology.

not3

What love?

That you have taken sides with those who agree with you?

Tell me how is that any different than Tim or Isaiah or CB or myself siding with one another.

How is it that you and others now looking down your nose at us is any better?

All this started because I said something about m42 being mean spirited towards Tim.

Of which he was. And you jumped all over me and Isaiah for siding with Tim.

This was about m42s treatment of Tim. Not about you and Tim.

M42 is in your camp isnt he? Check his past and his previous post, and see for yourself.

But somehow the focus has turned on Tim and his doctrine and your hurt from anyone who believes like him.

Suddenly we have no Love or fruit, and as you say, you wouldnt give a dollar for our view.

[Worshipping Jesus]

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Tim was referring to me (among others) who do not embrace his theology – calling us those terrible names – and then you said, “Keep preaching the truth brother!” Essentially agreeing with his ridicule of us. Whatever, it's no longer important to me. I've cried my little tears and have received love from those who have the love of Christ in their hearts. I am so thankful for those brothers and sisters (you know who you are).

Not3

BTW. I think that Isaiah and myself have said we were sorry that you were hurt.

I have prayed for you regularly, and still believe that God is in control!

[Not3in1]

Hi WJ,
Actually I have given more than a dollar for “your” view. Your view was my view too (doesn't that sound like a song? Ha) until a few years ago. I have been in ministry up to my eyeballs at times. I loved my faith and my church, and I have served proudly. I don't look down at the Trinitarian faith, I just don't understand it. Truth be told, I don't believe I ever understood it.

Tim has treated me (personally) very poorly. My feelings towards him are valid whether you think they are or not. It is only natural to want to defend your fellow brother, I understand that now thanks to a few dear brothers who have emailed me.

I believe you do have love, WJ. It was Tim I was directing the “Love will speak louder than any theology.” Anyway, I have to understand that I am here to learn. I am also here to defend the truth that I know. And possibly in defending the truth that I know, I may find that I am incorrect on some points. Those are the points I want to get right so that I can know God better. No one wants to go on believing a lie, do they? I beg for depth of insight, wisdom and understanding every day. I'm doing the best that I can with what God has given me.

I believe in the only true God, the Father. I believe in Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son. I believe in God's Spirit that lives in me (and you), and is my grand deposit for eternal life with him.

If I am labeled “unsaved” because I hold these beliefs close to my beating heart, then so be it.

[Not3in1]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 08 2007,18:08)

Quote Tim was referring to me (among others) who do not embrace his theology – calling us those terrible names – and then you said, “Keep preaching the truth brother!”  Essentially agreeing with his ridicule of us.  Whatever, it's no longer important to me.  I've cried my little tears and have received love from those who have the love of Christ in their hearts.  I am so thankful for those brothers and sisters (you know who you are).   Not3 BTW. I think that Isaiah and myself have said we were sorry that you were hurt. I have prayed for you regularly, and still believe that God is in control!

Thank you, WJ. I am grateful that you are praying for me. I can honestly say that I don't have too many people who DO pray for me…..so I thank you most sincerely for that.

And I have really appreciated you and Isaiah. For being on the “B” team – you guys are alright!

[Not3in1]

STUDENT!

If you are still around……. I have something I would like to share with you. It's a quote from the Rev. Jared Sparks, who was a Victorian era Unitarian (that sounds funny, huh?).

“Those persons who have bound themselves to a written system of faith, in the shape of a creed or confession, which they are resolved never to forsake as in the case of many clergymen, church-members and so on; such persons cannot possibly expect or hope to gain anything by examining their opinions, and comparing them with those of others, and with the standard of the Scriptures.

To change a single sentiment would be a violation of their covenant, and a crime. What conscientious man will allow the suspicion to enter his mind that anything can be wrong in a faith, which, in the most solemn manner, he has pledged his veracity to support? He may defend his adopted creed, and rally round the system to which he is chained, but he cannot go a step further.

He cannot open his mind to a new truth, nor suffer himself to concede, than an opponent's argument can have any weight, or his opinions any claim to respect. This would be to distrust the grounds of his own faith, and to betray the guilt of doubting, where he has made a sacred engagement never to doubt.

What advantage can a person, thus bound and cramped, derive from an examination of religious subjects? The public may be benefited by knowing his sentiments, and his mode of explaining and defending them; but, as for himself, his journey will be a circle; he will end where he began.”

********

I hope this has encouraged you to seek out God, and to not put him in a box lined with creeds of men!

[charity]

Quote (Tim2 @ June 07 2007,05:18)

Student, You've come to the wrong place.  This is not a Christian website.  It is a wicked pagan website full of heretics and blasphemers who deny that Jesus is one with the Father.  Your best bet is to flee from this website, block it from your computer, and never come back.  Instead, talk to the pastor and elders of your church, and read the Christian classics on the Trinity by Athanasius, Hillary of Poitiers, Gregory of Nyssa, and Augustine. Tim

Hi Tim do you like The Book of Enoch?

XLVI. The Head of Days and the Son of Man.
46

1
And there I saw One who had a head of days,
And His head was white like wool,
And with Him was another being whose countenance had the appearance of a man,
And his face was full of graciousness, like one of the holy angels.

2
And I asked the angel who went with me and showed me all the hidden things, concerning that
3
Son of Man, who he was, and whence he was, (and) why he went with the Head of Days? And he answered and said unto me:
This is the son of Man who hath righteousness,
With whom dwelleth righteousness,
And who revealeth all the treasures of that which is hidden,
Because the Lord of Spirits hath chosen him,
And whose lot hath the pre-eminence before the Lord of Spirits in uprightness for ever.

4
And this Son of Man whom thou hast seen
Shall raise up the kings and the mighty from their seats,
[And the strong from their thrones]
And shall loosen the reins of the strong,
And break the teeth of the sinners.

5
[And he shall put down the kings from their thrones and kingdoms]
Because they do not extol and praise Him,
Nor humbly acknowledge whence the kingdom was bestowed upon them.

6
And he shall put down the countenance of the strong,
And shall fill them with shame.

And darkness shall be their dwelling,
And worms shall be their bed,
And they shall have no hope of rising from their beds,
Because they do not extol the name of the Lord of Spirits.

7
And these are they who judge the stars of heaven,
[And raise their hands against the Most High],
And tread upon the earth and dwell upon it.
And all their deeds manifest unrighteousness,
And their power rests upon their riches,
And their faith is in the gods which they have made with their hands,
And they deny the name of the Lord of Spirits,

8
And they persecute the houses of His congregations,
And the faithful who hang upon the name of the Lord of Spirits.

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