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Hi Daw,
Welcome. I'm glad to hear that you believe Jesus is God. That's great.
As a Trinitarian, I have to urge you to believe that the Holy Spirit is not just a manifestation of God, but is God Himself.
Tim
Don't understand your question Nick. Are you a christian Nick?
Tim can you urge me with the bible? Is this a salvational issue, from your perspective? What is a Trinitarian?
As I stated (replying to a very old post…sorry) my beliefs are based on my reading of the bible. Nevertheless I am open to enhancing my understanding.
DWH wrote:
when did Jesus tell us not to worship him, but to worship God?
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Matthew 4:10Welcome! May I encourage you to stear clear of any doctrine that uses un-biblical terminology. Stick with clear statements of the bible such as: 1 Cor 8:6 and John 17:3. God bless you as you seek him
Quote (dawebhead @ May 23 2007,17:35) Don't understand your question Nick. Are you a christian Nick? Tim can you urge me with the bible? Is this a salvational issue, from your perspective? What is a Trinitarian?
As I stated (replying to a very old post…sorry) my beliefs are based on my reading of the bible. Nevertheless I am open to enhancing my understanding.
Hi Daw,
Yes sirree.
God is one and is the God of the OT and the Father of Jesus.
Men would try to help you confuse the Son with his Dad and his God.
I try to abide in the Word which trinity theory would force us to put aside.Quote (Not3in1 @ May 23 2007,17:41) DWH wrote:
when did Jesus tell us not to worship him, but to worship God?
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Matthew 4:10Welcome! May I encourage you to stear clear of any doctrine that uses un-biblical terminology. Stick with clear statements of the bible such as: 1 Cor 8:6 and John 17:3. God bless you as you seek him
Thanks for the welcome not3.Jesus was talking with Satan here? That relationship is somewhat different?
Where did I use “unbiblical terminology”?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 23 2007,17:55) dawebhead,May wrote:Don't understand your question Nick. Are you a christian Nick?
Hi Daw,
Yes sirree.
God is one and is the God of the OT and the Father of Jesus.
Men would try to help you confuse the Son with his Dad and his God.
I try to abide in the Word which trinity theory would force us to put aside.
Great to hear Nick, thanks.I still am unclear in regards to the question of the vine and me?
“God is one and is the God of the OT and the Father of Jesus.
Men would try to help you confuse the Son with his Dad and his God.”Trinity aside am I ok to worship Jesus?
Hi Dawe,
Welcome. As you can see, you're already under fire from people here who deny that Jesus is the true Son of God. I hope you can stomach their attacks, as we need more people here who confess that Jesus is God. Very quickly, Not3in1 believes that Jesus only began to exist as a person when he was conceived in Mary by a literal copulation of **** with Mary, which is so abhorent I can't even say it. Nick believes that the Word used to be God, back in the beginning in John 1:1, but that the Word literally emptied Himself of His Godhead and became a normal man, Jesus Christ, and remains such. And they say the Trinity doesn't make sense!
Regarding the Holy Spirit, I think the clearest proof that He is a separate person/subsistence apart from the Father and the Son is in Jesus' discussion with the disciples in John 14-17. He refers to the Spirit as someone distinct in John 14:16, 26, 15:26, and 16:13-15. I think this shows that the Spirit is not a manifestation, as a manifestation doesn't have an existence of its own.
Tim
Hi DAW,
Here you will find honest searchers willing to go back beyond denominations and their creeds to the original texts from which faith is formed to build truth from what we have been given.Quote (Tim2 @ May 24 2007,04:57) Hi Dawe, Welcome. As you can see, you're already under fire from people here who deny that Jesus is the true Son of God. I hope you can stomach their attacks, as we need more people here who confess that Jesus is God. Very quickly, Not3in1 believes that Jesus only began to exist as a person when he was conceived in Mary by a literal copulation of **** with Mary, which is so abhorent I can't even say it. Nick believes that the Word used to be God, back in the beginning in John 1:1, but that the Word literally emptied Himself of His Godhead and became a normal man, Jesus Christ, and remains such. And they say the Trinity doesn't make sense!
Regarding the Holy Spirit, I think the clearest proof that He is a separate person/subsistence apart from the Father and the Son is in Jesus' discussion with the disciples in John 14-17. He refers to the Spirit as someone distinct in John 14:16, 26, 15:26, and 16:13-15. I think this shows that the Spirit is not a manifestation, as a manifestation doesn't have an existence of its own.
Tim
Hey Tim thanks,
I don't feel as much attacked as I do excited. I love to discuss the word of God.Nick and Not has Tim accurately summerized your positions/thinking or understanding?
Ok Tim, can we say that the spirit is not a physical being (without calling it a manifestation)? Is it clear that we are not going to see the counselor, though we will know him?
Is the spirit in Genesis 1, the very same as promissed byJesus/God?Hi DAW,
Tim said
” Nick believes that the Word used to be God, back in the beginning in John 1:1, but that the Word literally emptied Himself of His Godhead and became a normal man, Jesus Christ, and remains such.”Believing scripture I say this;
The Word WAS God.
The Word WAS WITH God.
Christ had such origins but emptied himself and partook of flesh so, as a man anointed by God he did the works of God, or rather God did them through him, as they lived in compete unity. He died and was raised by the Spirit ever living in him and, as the man from heaven lives and works for those in him.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2007,09:20) Hi DAW,
Tim said
” Nick believes that the Word used to be God, back in the beginning in John 1:1, but that the Word literally emptied Himself of His Godhead and became a normal man, Jesus Christ, and remains such.”Believing scripture I say this;
The Word WAS God.
The Word WAS WITH God.
Christ had such origins but emptied himself and partook of flesh so, as a man anointed by God he did the works of God, or rather God did them through him, as they lived in compete unity. He died and was raised by the Spirit ever living in him and, as the man from heaven lives and works for those in him.
“He died and was raised by the Spirit ever living in him and, as the man from heaven lives and works for those in him.”This is a little criptic to me. Where is Jesus now? What is his current role in regards to christianity?
Hi DAW,
Christ is in heaven at the right hand of God.
He is the head of his body, the church and those in him by rebirth are united to him and to God in the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Ephesians 1:22
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Colossians 2:10
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Colossians 2:19
And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
1Cor 12
4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14For the body is not one member, but many.
15If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
25That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
Quote (olive @ May 17 2007,04:45) Blessings Ken: Quote When I was a “babe” in Christ and realized who I was I used to play with insects commanding them to get out the way or to come close. I'm talking warsp that could sting me! But I had faith that I was above those insects. Sadly over the years of religion, I began to doubt “only Jesus could do that”. The Lord is trying to re-kindle that fire I once had. ASKING IN THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES, YAHUSHA SEND KEN THE SPIRIT TO UPLIFT HIM, SO WHEN THEY SEE HIM, THEY SEE YOU, THAT HIS FIRE NEVER BURNS LOW, SO ALL MAY SEE YOUR YOUR GLORY THROUGH THE FIRE YOU GIVE HIM. WHOOAA, PRAISE YAH, THANK YOU YAHUSHA. MOVE THOSE MOUNTIANS !!!!!!!!! FAN HIS FLAME !!!!!!!!!11
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Thank You Sister!Jesus was talking with Satan here? That relationship is somewhat different?
Where did I use “unbiblical terminology”?
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Hi Daw,
I never said you used unbiblical terminology; I said watch out for teachings that do.And if Jesus taught it -it's good enough for me! I don't care who he was talking to.
Tim2 wrote:
Very quickly, Not3in1 believes that Jesus only began to exist as a person when he was conceived in Mary by a literal copulation of **** with Mary, which is so abhorent I can't even say it.
**********************************************Tim2, before you feel free to share with others what *I* believe…………MAKE SURE YOU GET IT RIGHT, please.
Correction for all who care: I do not believe that God had sex with Mary. Good grief.
Nick and Not has Tim accurately summerized your positions/thinking or understanding?
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DAW, thank you for caring enough to ask if Tim's summary was true before you attempted to comment. Tim does not have a right to speak for other people. I'm sorry, that is just rude. We all check in here on the boards fairly regularly and I am more than able to give you an account of what I believe.
Nick is right in that we are all seekers here. We all want truth. We all want more of Jesus, and more of God and his holy spirit. Most importantly, we are all willing to give an answer for what we believe, and most are even willing to consider other's theories
Olive wrote:
ASKING IN THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES, YAHUSHA SEND KEN THE SPIRIT TO UPLIFT HIM, SO WHEN THEY SEE HIM, THEY SEE YOU, THAT HIS FIRE NEVER BURNS LOW, SO ALL MAY SEE YOUR YOUR GLORY THROUGH THE FIRE YOU GIVE HIM. WHOOAA, PRAISE YAH, THANK YOU YAHUSHA. MOVE THOSE MOUNTIANS !!!!!!!!! FAN HIS FLAME !!!!!!!!!
******************************Wow, Olive – I know this prayer wasn't for me, but I was blessed just to read it.
It made me want to speak up and say, “Amen, Sister!” and it reminded me of the church I grew up in, where folks would just stand and give praises while the congregation would echo their praises! Whooaa – praise – Yah! Love it. Quote (Not3in1 @ May 24 2007,11:15) Jesus was talking with Satan here? That relationship is somewhat different? Where did I use “unbiblical terminology”?
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Hi Daw,
I never said you used unbiblical terminology; I said watch out for teachings that do.And if Jesus taught it -it's good enough for me! I don't care who he was talking to.
Thanks for clearing up the unbiblical question, sorry I did not pick up on that.Jesus was talking with Satan here?
“And if Jesus taught it -it's good enough for me! I don't care who he was talking to.”My question was pertaining to your post:
“Class of being” may have been a poor way to express what WJ really meant, I don't know? But God is a spirit, not a “being.”
“We are to worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus, on the other hand, was a human being. He told us not to worship him, but to worship God.”In this case (for me) it is important to note who Jesus was talking to.
Do you believe that the church should worship Christ?
Quote (Not3in1 @ May 24 2007,11:20) Tim2 wrote:
Very quickly, Not3in1 believes that Jesus only began to exist as a person when he was conceived in Mary by a literal copulation of **** with Mary, which is so abhorent I can't even say it.
**********************************************Tim2, before you feel free to share with others what *I* believe…………MAKE SURE YOU GET IT RIGHT, please.
Correction for all who care: I do not believe that God had sex with Mary. Good grief.
Not, does that mean you believe the biblical account of the birth of Christ?“she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit”
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