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To make one thing clear.I believe the Hebrew and Greek are truly the word of God and that they were written by the Prophets and the Apostles..But I walk very carefuly when it is translated to English.I thought I let you know that..
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To make one thing clear.I believe the Hebrew and Greek are truly the word of God and that they were written by the Prophets and the Apostles..But I walk very carefuly when it is translated to English.I thought I let you know that..
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When you can have a half a dozen versions of the Bible open on one table, and some of them say Jesus is God in a verse and other's do not say Jesus is God in the same verse………forget Houston – World, we have a problem!Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 19 2007,08:59) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 19 2007,08:36) Hi w,
You say
“God is a class of being.”
Mystery Babylon!!.God is the Father of Jesus [jn8.54].
NHWhat? Do you think God does not stand alone as class of being by himself?
Is there any “Creature” that is compared to him?
Yet, in contrast to the OT scriptures men say that they have a Savior who is their Lord and Master and that they follow him and they pray to him and obey him and his words.
God has given us commandments against having any being before him or besides him that we should bow to or devote our love and adoration to and pray to or through!
Hi W,
Where is this CLASS thing in scripture?Hi Not3,
Thank God He has not just left men a map to read but has given us the light of the Spirit to read by.Tim4 writes:
Hi Nick,
Seriously, you said “None of the creeds were written by anointed men of God.”How do we know for a fact that they were not anointed by God?
**********************Well, Tim, we certainly know from history that these men were under a lot of political pressure. Whether or not they were under the annointing of God's holy spirit, I just don't know. I do believe that because they had to use un-biblical vocabulary that God must have had very little to do with the final creed that came of Nicea. The “final” creed not making it's debut until more than a hundred years later, at that. It's all very curious, if you ask me.
“Class of being” may have been a poor way to express what WJ really meant, I don't know? But God is a spirit, not a “being.”
We are to worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus, on the other hand, was a human being. He told us not to worship him, but to worship God.Hi not3,
Man is body, soul and spirit[1thess5]
God is a spirit being of spirit and soul.Is 42
“1Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. “Ps11
” 4The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.5The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.'
God is in heaven and pours of His Spirit.
God said somewhere (there's my lack of scholarship) that his “soul” was grieved. So, I would agree that he is spirit and he does have a soul. What is the difference between “spirit” and “soul”? Not much talk about “soul” in the NT, huh?
2 Cor. 5 seems to ref the difference between body and spirit/soul.
We knew Jesus according to the body (flesh) and now we no longer do. We long to have what he has which is a heavenly body.
I'm still uncertain about the diff between spirit and soul. Body/soul-spirt is a quick grasp, but are we cutting hairs on the spirit/soul?
Hi Not3,
Heb 4
“12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. “Ah – ha! OK, so there is a difference between soul and spirit. Cool. But I guess my eyes are not open to understanding what, specifically , is the difference. I'll pray about this tonight……thanks.
Maybe the word of God is so SHARP that it can split the hairs between soul and spirit? Maybe that is the point of this passage?
Quote (Not3in1 @ May 19 2007,15:17) Tim4 writes:
Hi Nick,
Seriously, you said “None of the creeds were written by anointed men of God.”How do we know for a fact that they were not anointed by God?
**********************Well, Tim, we certainly know from history that these men were under a lot of political pressure. Whether or not they were under the annointing of God's holy spirit, I just don't know. I do believe that because they had to use un-biblical vocabulary that God must have had very little to do with the final creed that came of Nicea. The “final” creed not making it's debut until more than a hundred years later, at that. It's all very curious, if you ask me.
Hi Not3in1,
I feel the same way. I also have trouble blindly believing that the men that chose the books that canonized the bible we read were anointed by God.
I always wondered if other books should have been included, or left out.Tim
Hey Ambassador, you had a pretty decent post until the end (see below).
While you begin with scripture, you end with your opinion/interpretation. I believe this (not you) is the major cause for the confusion on this issue. We don’t have enough confidence in the word of God to let it stand on its own.
(excerpt from your post)
“For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.”
“Those who do not acknowledge that Jesus Christ is fully God are false and are not from God.” In fact, confessing that Jesus is God is how we test if someone is from God or from the adversary (strong statement, but not what is written)Using a verse or two out of the context of the chapter (even still the book) is not the best way to teach (or debate in this instance) doctrine.
Later in the very same chapter we read:Verse 15: If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God.
Which bring us back to square one?
I believe the following (based on what I have learned from the bible)
that Jesus is God and I am to worship him now and forever.
that Jesus was with God prior to creation
that the Holy Spirit is Gods Spirit and thus can be considered a manifestation of GodFor me the most encompassing and clear chapter in the bible in regards to the relationship between God and his son (God as well to me) is John 17.
Here is an excerpt:
JN 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
JN 17:25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”
All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have already attained.
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