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Thanks, WJ.
Tim2, I believe that Jesus is the literal Son of God. There is no way anything is impersonal about that!
God's holy spirit is WHO he is. There is not another “person” who is the “Holy Spirit.” There is a gift of holy spirit.
The Spirit of God is the spirit of God, the aspect of God shown in all creation, fully revealed in Christ, and shared among us.
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Hi not3,
The Spirit must surely be respected as God as Acts 5 shows.
But Christ was filled with the gift of God's Spirit at the same time as he told us to pray to God” in heaven.”
Mt 6
“6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. “
Ok, thanks guys. Here's my update. Keep making changes:
1. Trinitarians (Me, WJ, Is1:8, CB): Jesus and the Spirit are each God and distinct persons along with the Father, yet they are not three gods, but one God.
2. Jehovah's Witnesses (David): Jesus is a created god. The Spirit is … ?
3. TimothyVI: Jesus is a god. He has his own spirit, and God has an impersonal Spirit too.
4. Not3in1: Jesus is a person who was always part of God, God's seed, but his divine nature became fused with man when he was born to Mary, a hybrid God-Man. The Spirit of God is Who He is, an aspect of God, revealed in nature but fully by Jesus, and is shared among us.
5. t8: Jesus is an uncreated divine being who shares some of the nature of the Father but has some different properties from the Father and is not the same God as the Father. The Spirit is …?
6. Nick: Jesus is the Word. The Word was God, but Jesus was never God. Rather, Jesus had divine origins from God. He emptied himself of his power on earth while still retaining his divinity, but now has his full glory and power. The Spirit of God is an aspect of God, revealed through creation but fully through Jesus, and shared among us.
7. Kenrch: Jesus is one person in the Godhead along with the Father. They share the same impersonal Spirit.
8. WhatisTrue: (I forget, sorry.)
9. Charity: (Sorry, I don’t know.)
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 13 2007,07:46) God's holy spirit is WHO he is. There is not another “person” who is the “Holy Spirit.” There is a gift of holy spirit.
not3in1Please read John chapter 14-16 and see what Jesus said about the Holy Spirit the comforter.
Hi Tim2,
Not quite.
you say
“He emptied himself of his power on earth while still retaining his divinity, but now has his full glory and power. “
Christ had divine origins but was not a worshiped deity or divinity. He is the most glorious being under our God.Tim2,
Also add “Adam Pastor” and have him chime in. He also has a unique view (similar to mine on who Jesus is). I know he is busy though.
4. Not3in1: Jesus is a person who was always part of God, God's seed, but his divine nature became fused with man when he was born to Mary, a hybrid God-Man. The Spirit of God is Who He is, an aspect of God, revealed in nature but fully by Jesus, and is shared among us.
*If you'll allow me, I can re-write this for you so it is clear*
Jesus did not pre-exist as a person prior to his human birth. Jesus has always been the plan of God from eternity. God created everything and everyone “through” this plan, and thus, “through” Jesus. Jesus is the literal Son of God, and Mary. He is a combination of both God, and man. Son of God, Son of Man. The Holy Spirit is WHO God is. It is also a gift by which we are sealed, and belong to God and his Christ We fellowship with God, and his Son, and each other by this same spirit.
Wow. I've never had to restrict myself to a paragraph before, but that pretty much sums up what I believe.
1. Trinitarians (Me, WJ, Is1:8, CB): Jesus and the Spirit are each God and distinct persons along with the Father, yet they are not three gods, but one God.
2. Jehovah's Witnesses (David): Jesus is a created god. The Spirit is … ?
3. TimothyVI: Jesus is a god. He has his own spirit, and God has an impersonal Spirit too.
4. Not3in1: Jesus is a person who was always part of God, God's seed, but his divine nature became fused with man when he was born to Mary, a hybrid God-Man. The Spirit of God is Who He is, an aspect of God, revealed in nature but fully by Jesus, and is shared among us.
5. t8: Jesus is an uncreated divine being who shares some of the nature of the Father but has some different properties from the Father and is not the same God as the Father. The Spirit is …?
6. Nick: Jesus is the Word. The Word was God, but Jesus was never God. Rather, Christ had divine origins but was not a worshiped deity or divinity. He is the most glorious being under our God. The Spirit of God is an aspect of God, revealed through creation but fully through Jesus, and shared among us.
7. Kenrch: Jesus is one person in the Godhead along with the Father. They share the same impersonal Spirit.
8. WhatisTrue: (I forget, sorry.)
9. Charity: (Sorry, I don’t know.)
Tim2 -thanks for doing this! This is great to see all our beliefs in one spot. I've tried to keep notes on various members, but this makes it much easier. I'm really glad you joined this forum
Ok, hopefully this time I'll get Not3in1 right:
1. Trinitarians (Me, WJ, Is1:8, CB): Jesus and the Spirit are each God and distinct persons along with the Father, yet they are not three gods, but one God.
2. Jehovah's Witnesses (David): Jesus is a created god. The Spirit is … ?
3. TimothyVI: Jesus is a god. He has his own spirit, and God has an impersonal Spirit too.
4. Not3in1: Jesus did not pre-exist as a person prior to his human birth. Jesus has always been the plan of God from eternity. God created everything and everyone “through” this plan, and thus, “through” Jesus. Jesus is the literal Son of God, and Mary. He is a combination of both God, and man. Son of God, Son of Man. The Holy Spirit is WHO God is. It is also a gift by which we are sealed, and belong to God and his Christ We fellowship with God, and his Son, and each other by this same spirit.
5. t8: Jesus is an uncreated divine being who shares some of the nature of the Father but has some different properties from the Father and is not the same God as the Father. The Spirit is …?
6. Nick: Jesus is the Word. The Word was God, but Jesus was never God. Rather, Christ had divine origins but was not a worshiped deity or divinity. He is the most glorious being under our God. The Spirit of God is an aspect of God, revealed through creation but fully through Jesus, and shared among us.
7. Kenrch: Jesus is one person in the Godhead along with the Father. They share the same impersonal Spirit.
8. WhatisTrue: (I forget, sorry.)
9. Charity: (Sorry, I don’t know.)
10. Adam Pastor: (Also don’t know.)
I've been doing a study on “Word” and “Plan” and other words in the greek and so on that could be translated different ways in regards to John 1:1. Other renderings are possible that make sense, and that point to the “word” that was with God being a plan. As I get more information, I'll relay it to the group. Plans are spoken into existence. We have a plan to add to our house – we are speaking that plan into existence. It's silly, really, to distinguish that much between plans and words. Plans become words. Words become plans. What came first, the chicken or the egg?
Thanks, Tim2, that's right! Hopefully others will look more closely at theirs and redefine and get this as close as possible. I can't wait to see the finished “report.”
Off to guitar lessons……
Quote (Tim2 @ April 12 2007,04:49) Hi Not3in1, Tough question. Most Christians agree that we have to follow all of God's law, but some of the commands to Israel don't apply today. Obviously the 10 commandments do, but then there's the tricky question of the Sabbath, since the church believes that the first day of the week is the new Sabbath, the Lord's Day. So most protestants have said there are moral commandments, civil commandments, and ceremonial commandments in the OT, and we're only bound by the moral commandments. Some also want to reinstate the civil commandments, but they're in the minority. But that still leaves us with, what are the moral commandments? The Bible doesn't spell it out.
Tim
Now Tim2 I gave you scripture explaining your church is in error about Sunday on two counts one the Sabbath and the other the resurrection day.
The reason they give for changing the Sabbath to Sunday(other than changing to show she has the power to do so) is they say Jesus was resurrected on Sunday. Scripture proves that Jesus was resurrected on the Sabbath day not the first day.
The moral Commandments were written by God Deu.10:1-5.
They number one through Ten that encludes the forth commandment unless you are Catholic as they changed the sabbath day commandment to the 3rd so they could not quote the 2nd commandment avout THEIR GRAVEN Images.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 12 2007,03:51) Quote (kenrch @ April 09 2007,13:41) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 09 2007,10:39) I'll look for the Ten commandment thread. This is interesting to me. Because I just cannot imagine keeping the law. I mean, that is why Jesus was sent, is it not? There was something wrong with the first convenant and that is why Jesus was sent with a new convenant. I know that is written somewhere. Paul tells us that the Law produced sin, even (or something like that ) I'll do some digging here. I just cannot stand under the law. I would never feel like I could even worship under the law, because I could never keep one bit of it (if you break one piece – you've broken them all). This doesn't sound like the freedom that Jesus brought?
The freedom Jesus brought is forgivness not permission to sin.That and the fulfillment of the law of Moses. Luke 24:44
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.Nick keeps saying Old Testament. Truth is the Ten commandments are in the New Testament All Ten.
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
What is the love? That we walk after His commandments. This is the Commandment. What is the commandment? That we walk after His commandments. As we have heard from the beginning we should walk in them.
Is that what 2John 1:6 is saying?The endtime church will be keeping the Commandments of God.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.Now what are the saints of the last days doing? The saints keep the commandments of God period.
Is that what Rev. 12:17 and Rev 14:12 is saying? Really read it over if you want but the letters won't change. Neither will the meaning.
Visit the Ten Commandment thread and read all the scriptures given. Ask yourself what the scriptures say. Pray ask God to show you His will. It's His will that matters not our will. Jesus said your will be done not my will Father.
kenrchYou say…
Quote What is the love? That we walk after His commandments. This is the Commandment. What is the commandment? That we walk after His commandments. As we have heard from the beginning we should walk in them.
Is that what 2John 1:6 is saying?Jesus said…
Jn 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.Matt 22:
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.All is fulfilled in Christ by faith as NH said.
If you go about trying to establish right standing with God by keeping the law, ;then you should keep all the law like Passover, all the major feast etc..
We walk by faith. We are not justified by keeping the law.
WJ are you able to keep the Commandments?
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.Is the Law done away with? GOD FORBID!
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Faith without works is dead faith is it not.
You know the scriptures why do you deny them?THIS IS THE COMMANDMENT:
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Do you deny this scripture? The Commandment we have had from the beginning! That we walk after His Commandments!
This IS the LOVE! Or do you just have lip service?Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.Quote (Not3in1 @ April 13 2007,08:38) I've been doing a study on “Word” and “Plan” and other words in the greek and so on that could be translated different ways in regards to John 1:1. Other renderings are possible that make sense, and that point to the “word” that was with God being a plan. As I get more information, I'll relay it to the group. Plans are spoken into existence. We have a plan to add to our house – we are speaking that plan into existence. It's silly, really, to distinguish that much between plans and words. Plans become words. Words become plans. What came first, the chicken or the egg?
Hi Not3,
Put aside the BU framework.
When thoughts and plans are expressed they become words.
You cannot be arrested for your thoughts or plans but words can cause you to go to prison.
We cannot be WITH our plans or thoughts but our words can remain even after we die.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2007,09:13) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 13 2007,08:38) I've been doing a study on “Word” and “Plan” and other words in the greek and so on that could be translated different ways in regards to John 1:1. Other renderings are possible that make sense, and that point to the “word” that was with God being a plan. As I get more information, I'll relay it to the group. Plans are spoken into existence. We have a plan to add to our house – we are speaking that plan into existence. It's silly, really, to distinguish that much between plans and words. Plans become words. Words become plans. What came first, the chicken or the egg?
Hi Not3,
Put aside the BU framework.
When thoughts and plans are expressed they become words.
You cannot be arrested for your thoughts or plans but words can cause you to go to prison.
We cannot be WITH our plans or thoughts but our words can remain even after we die.
The chicken! God didn't speaK an egg into existance. He spoke the chicken thein the rooster and they made the egg
You cannot be arrested for your thoughts or plans but words can cause you to go to prison.
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Nick, this is my point, really, that God's plan was put into words. Anyway, this topic is doomed from the beginning because I need to do more research on this (to catch up to you) before I comment more. Thanks.
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