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Tim2 writes:
As far as “God's seed,” I'm curious where you get that from. What does it mean? That He was part of God?
****************************Hi Tim, I am very simple sometimes in my understanding of scripture. And because I am a women, I look at the “conception” of Jesus, and the “birth” of Jesus as a very human act. We know that unless a seed is provided, a women will not conceive. Only when the seed is provided will there be a conception. Therefore, with my understanding of this basic, humanistic process, I have concluded that God provided the seed by which Mary conceived, and eventually gave birth to the Son of God, and the Son of Man.
There are many scriptures that point to the seed. However, the only ones that I can think of off the top of my head are:
1 John 3:9
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
1 John 5:18
We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who WAS born of God keeps him safe…..”
1 Peter 1:23
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.Hi not3,
I have three wonderful sons and none of them is a part of me.
They are not clones of me or of each other and you would soon realise they look quite different and have very individual ideas, attitudes and personalities.**********************************
Nick, you don't give yourself enough credit! Your boys share your DNA!
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.Revelation 19:13
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.So it is even from this perspective easy to understand that the Word of God existed in the beginning as he does now
***************************t8, it's interesting to look at the above scriptures and see that Jesus did not become the WORD “OF” GOD until he was begotten. He was simply “THE WORD” when he was with God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2007,12:15) Hi not3,
I have three wonderful sons and none of them is a part of me.
They are not clones of me or of each other and you would soon realise they look quite different and have very individual ideas, attitudes and personalities.
True Nick.The one thing you do have in common is that you all share the same human nature. That is the only thing that is really the same.
So it stands to reason that Christ is a different being to God, but is like him. He may share his nature, as we are invited to too, but he is a unique being just as your sons are.
So just as you are not the same being as your sons, neither is Christ the same being as his God.
Thanks Nick. I agree.
Amen.
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2007,12:23) Nick, you don't give yourself enough credit! Your boys share your DNA!
Nick's DNA or Nicks dads DNA?
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2007,12:25) t8, it's interesting to look at the above scriptures and see that Jesus did not become the WORD “OF” GOD until he was begotten. He was simply “THE WORD” when he was with God.
Good point Not3in1, but it is hard to picture the Word WITH God. You seem to teach that the Word was IN God. But it says WITH.Of course he is the Word of God now and he is also WITH God. At his right hand in fact.
The one thing you do have in common is that you all share the same human nature. That is the only thing that is really the same.
******************I think you are over-simplifying this a bit. Nature is not the only thing that Nick's boys have in common with him. There is a theory of “Nature versus Nurture” and basically it says that we inherit a lot more than just a basic nature from our parents. There are things that environment and etc. give to us that shape who we are. But what we inherit from our parents (personality etc.) is given in a genetic code that is passed through DNA to our children. Sorry for being so technical.
Good point Not3in1, but it is hard to picture the Word WITH God. You seem to teach that the Word was IN God. But it says WITH
****************************Scripture doesn't really tell us HOW the Word was “with” God – does it? We have filled those blanks in ourselves. But scripture is quite to a large degree on the topic.
How were Nick's son's “with” him before they were born?
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2007,12:32) The one thing you do have in common is that you all share the same human nature. That is the only thing that is really the same.
******************I think you are over-simplifying this a bit. Nature is not the only thing that Nick's boys have in common with him. There is a theory of “Nature versus Nurture” and basically it says that we inherit a lot more than just a basic nature from our parents. There are things that environment and etc. give to us that shape who we are. But what we inherit from our parents (personality etc.) is given in a genetic code that is passed through DNA to our children. Sorry for being so technical.
Sure. It is oversimplification. But if human nature is flesh, then it would probably encompass DNA too.Of course the important part is what fruit and gifts of God we give to our children. For this becomes food and nourishment for them and can forge godly character in them.
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 11 2007,17:23) Hi not3,
I have three wonderful sons and none of them is a part of me.
They are not clones of me or of each other and you would soon realise they look quite different and have very individual ideas, attitudes and personalities.**********************************
Nick, you don't give yourself enough credit! Your boys share your DNA!
Hi not3,
They each have a half.
Is that enough to make them part of me?Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2007,12:39) How were Nick's son's “with” him before they were born?
With him after, surely.So if the Word was WITH God, then he needed to come from God first in order to be WITH him.
My son is with me now. He was born first and then he was with me. I watched him open his eyes for the first time.
Hi not3,
They each have a half.
Is that enough to make them part of me?
*******************************************PART of you – yes!
I'm sure one of your good-looking sons has your eyes, or another one has your big ears? Kidding of course. They are not clones of you (you, reinvented, or like Jesus being God incarnate), no – they “share” your attributes of the eye color, or the big ears! With him after, surely.
So if the Word was WITH God, then he needed to come from God first in order to be WITH him.
My son is with me now. He was born first and then he was with me. I watched him open his eyes for the first time.
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OK, I didn't want to get too personal here, but I'll be frank: are your seed “with” you now?Quote (Not3in1 @ April 11 2007,17:39) Good point Not3in1, but it is hard to picture the Word WITH God. You seem to teach that the Word was IN God. But it says WITH
****************************Scripture doesn't really tell us HOW the Word was “with” God – does it? We have filled those blanks in ourselves. But scripture is quite to a large degree on the topic.
How were Nick's son's “with” him before they were born?
Hi not3,
People love to quote the end of Jn1.1 but the fact that the WORD WAS WITH GOD has two witnesses.Jn1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word was God.Jn 1
2The same was in the beginning WITH God.1Jn 1
2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was WITH the Father, and was manifested unto us;)Yes, Nick, the life was “manifested” and then could be attested to. But before it was “manifested” it was “with” God.
Hi Not3,
He proceeded from
AND
came from God.John 8:42
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.Note also that scripture says the Spirit rather PROCEEDS from God.
John 15:26
“When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me,The Spirit is not begotten.
To “proceed forth” from God does not in any way close the idea of God begetting a literal Son through his own seed. Proceeding forth means just that – coming forward – heading out.
Absolutely not3.
Not another son.
Not another person separate from God
but the amazing Spirit of our God.
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