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Nick wrote:
When the fullness of deity as the Holy Spirit of God was on earth in the vessel of Christ
Christ told men to pray to God in heaven.
So God is more than His Holy Spirit.
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What you have written is confusing to me.
God is spirit. And there is the “gift” of holy Spirit.
Plus, I do not feel that Christ was only a “vessel” of God's holy Spirit. I believe Christ was his own man; divine man.Hi not3,
Christ is an anointed vessel.
A body, soul and spirit man like us.
A man of origins in the beginning with God
He did nothing of his own powers and abilities.
He was totally dependant on God living within him.
He was filled by God with His own Spirit at the Jordan.
But God is not just amorphous spirit but is a being of soul/spirit
That can share that Spirit with His son and all in the Son for eternity as one.Tim2 – in what WAY was the Word God?
Nick – I think I'm following you now. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
and was with God
so not in God
or as God.
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Of course you and I disagree on this point – as we have discussed several times.There are no verses that clearly disprove that Jesus was the plan/hope that God possessed when he made all things. In this way, John 1:1 says that the Word was God. Then, the plan/hope was born through the zeal of the LORD who accomplished his plans. Jesus was born. He became flesh. He was given a name, and everyone rejoiced at his birth. God beget a Son – the only Son he ever “begat.” Keep it simple. Keep on track.
There are plenty of verses that you need to explain away before teaching that Jesus never existed in any form until he was born through Mary.
Here is a list of such scriptures:
https://heavennet.net/answers/answer31.htm
A good place to discuss this in the following discussion:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….=1;t=65
Or you could start one up that is specifically about the non-preexistence or preexistence of Jesus Christ.
This discussion is about the Trinity.
Quote (Tim2 @ April 11 2007,00:02) Hi all, I hope everyone had a good weekend. I hear most people on this thread are from New Zealand. I'm from the USA. I hope you don't mind an American sharing his ideas with you. I know I often get heated and share some angry feelings instead of ideas, so forgive me for doing that. I hope I can calmly discuss this important topic with you.
In my text post I'm going to submit a list of verses that seem to have everything to do with the Trinity, both for and against. Obviously, my version is weighted toward the Trinity. My hope is that we can all add verses to it and update it as we study the Bible more. And of course, we'll discuss it at length.
My goal is for us to have a thread where we can look at the Scriptures as a whole. I apologize if we already have a thread for this.
May the truth set us free.
Tim
We will ignore the fact that you are American.
OK that was a joke. Many Americans and Canadians come here and you are certainly welcome.
You'll see that Tim2 asked about pre-existence and it went from there. Sometimes it is difficult to stay focused on one topic as they always seem to meld together at some point. But, thanks again for the reminder (Nick also reminded me on another board to stay on topic, while I wasn't the one who initially got us off topic there either). I'm beginning to think you boys have it out for me
Quote but do you agree that these clear statements are made: There is only one God. [Yes, and “the Father” is repeatedly said to be the “only true God,” whereas Jesus isn't for some reason.]
We cannot worship or serve any other god. [True]
The Father is God. [Yes.]
The name of the Father is the name of God. [ok]
The name of the Father is the name of the Son and the Spirit. [Well, that's nowhere even close to stated.]
The Son is God. [Yes, that word is applied to the Son, as it is of the angels, etc.]
The Father and the Son are one. (One what?) [Jesus followers are also “one” and Jesus followers are “one” with Jesus. What of it?]
The Spirit is God. [Nowhere does the Bible directly say this.]Quote Many Americans and Canadians come here and you are certainly welcome. Please don't lump us (Canadians) in with them!
This was also a joke.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2007,15:13) Hi not3,
He was the image of God
and was with God
so not in God
or as God.
Hi Nick,One more thing. The Word was God.
Tim
Hi Tim2,
I do not deny his divine origins as the image of God.
I do deny he is God Himself
He is the son of God.Quote (Tim2 @ April 11 2007,07:36) Hi Nick, Was and is. Do you think He was God but no longer is?
Tim
TimOf course he does. He thinks God ceased to be God.
He also thinks that a son is a son before he is born.
He also believes Jesus was born again at the Jordan.
He criticizes every Trinitarian for going “Outside of scriptures” and making “Inferences” and yet he does it all the time.
But, that is his right. He spends a lot of time here defending his false doctrine. Scary.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2007,08:08) Hi Tim2,
Do not add to scripture.
It says WAS.
NHI am confused. I have heard you say the Word was with God but not a part of God and not in God, now you say he “Was God” and is no more.
Please explain!
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