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Hi Tim 2,
If you cannot find ONE clear statement about trinity
why do you bother looking for supportive inferences?DIRECT STATEMENTS of a Trinity – zip, zero, none, keep looking, keep praying!
Tim2, thanks for this thread. You better believe I'm going to be watching it. Considering you have sent me to hell, and told me I'm not a brother to Christ for NOT believing the Trinity. WOW, I better see here that you have CLEAR AND DIRECT proof of the Trinity. Good luck, brother. You're going to need it.
Hi Tim2,
If you cannot find any teaching in the bible that God is a trinity then surely you would not persist in teaching such things. You say you fear God then now is your opportunity to display such respect.Hi guys,
The Trinity is a set of doctrine. It consists of several statement about the nature of God. Statements I've made above. Please discuss them.
Tim
Hi Tim2,
This is a biblical forum and you have not shown any scriptures that state God is a trinity.
The rest is superfluous.Hi Everyone,
I've found some resources I would like to recommend, if you haven't seen them already:
http://trisagionseraph.tripod.com/home.html
-this webpage has a lot on the topics we've been discussinghttp://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf209.html
-Hilary of Poitier's defense of the Trinity. Very good.Tim
Hi Nick,
Then I take it you agree with all the statements I made? Wow, first Not3in1 agrees that God begets God, now you agree that the Son is God and the Spirit is God. This is great.
Tim
Hi Tim2,
No.
I leave the fantasy merchants to their own speculative delights and concentrate on what can be shown from Scriptural teaching.Nick,
Well, at least add, subtract or rearrange the verses in my trinity sheet so that all can see and know where to look.
Tim
Hi Tim2,
As soon as you find one verse that says God is a trinity
I will rush to examine your circumstantial supporting evidenceand see if we can also prove the earth is flat
See, I have read that Jesus is the Son of God, and so I believe it. I have read that the holy Spirit is WHO God is, and so I believe it. I have read that there is only One God, and that is the Father, and so I believe it.
I was ready to give the Trinity a try when I found 1 John 5:7, but then read it was a corruption of scripture, and so I do not believe it. I haven't found any other scripture that says God is three. When I do, I'll believe it.
Hi guys,
Well, I listed several direct statements from Scripture that are the doctrine of the Trinity. A simple agree/disagree for each one would be nice.
Thanks,
TimHiNot3,
When the fullness of deity as the Holy Spirit of God was on earth in the vessel of Christ
Christ told men to pray to God in heaven.
So God is more than His Holy Spirit.
God is a spirit being
of Soul and Spirit.
Ps 11, Is 42.Hi Tim 2,
Here is another thread on the Trinity which sounds like what your looking for. Below is my opinion on how our view of the Trinity should effect our relations.Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 06 2007,12:40) While driving home I believe the Holy Spirit gave me a scripture to share. I know we all have read it before and many will say that it does not apply or I'm “adding to scripture”, but I believe it is the principle behind the example given in this scripture. Romans 14:1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to (understand more things and) eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, (understands less and) eats only vegetables. 3The man who (has more knowledge) eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who (understands less) does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
What “God” is, is definitely a “disputable matter” (over 500 pages on another thread). Why does one “eat everything”, because he has a better understanding, and why does one who is weak “not eat”, because he does not have as good of an understanding. I believe we are taking the trinity dis-agreement beyond what it should be, we are not saved by having a full understanding of what God is, but by what He did for us.
As it says later in this same chapter “13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another.” To me that would include quoting damnation verses to one another (seems like judgment to me). One side, or the other, or possible both, is wrong, let God sort it out. If you've given the truth as you believe it, you've done your job.
May all who love the truth be blessed.
Hi ST,
Trinity theory is forever utterly unproveable.
Truth is established in scripture and it is unwritten
The scriptures do not exist to establish it as doctrine.
It will forever remain as a fascinating intellectual exercise.
Perhaps it is time to put it in the museum of famous heresies.Hi Nick,
You say, “So God is more than His Holy Spirit. God is a spirit being of Soul and Spirit. Psalm 11, Isaiah 42.”
Again, this is your inference. Stop telling me that all inferences are bad when you go ahead and make them yourself. Instead, let's debate the truth and merit of each of our inferences.
By the way, I couldn't tell from your response if you believe in the preexistence of the Son. I thought elsewhere you said you did. Do you? (Just curious, not trying to provoke you.)
Tim
Thanks Wm
So do you guys want to make a list of all Scripture for/against/neutral on this thread or the one I started?
Tim
Hi Tim2,
So long as you give us for/ against / neutral
on god being a anthromorphic dodecahedron.
It is just as likely.Hi Tim2,
Ps 11
” 4The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.5The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.”
Is 42
“1Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. “The Word was WITH God.
The monogenes Son was sent into the world.
The Christ came in flesh.
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