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And, we also find that Jehovah is called “God” about a thousand times:
Jehovah God–50 times
the [true] God Jehovah–4 times
Jehovah their God–39 times
Jehovah the [true] God–8 times.
Jehovah is in truth God–1 time
Jehovah is God–1 time
Jehovah is my God–1 time
Jehovah is our God–1 time
Jehovah your God–455 times
Jehovah our God–105 times
Jehovah my God–40 times
Jehovah his God–29 times
Jehovah is a God–7 times
Jehovah the God of–204 times
Jehovah a God–1 timeI'm wondering why Jehovah was called God so often, comparitively speaking?
Tim2,
There is a saying that goes like this – you can find out who someone is by knowing who they are not.For example:
My name is Mandy, and my mother's name is Clara.
This tells you that 1) I am Mandy, and 2) I am not Clara.
The same logic would be true for Jesus, and his Father. Would it not? And if not, why?
Mat 1:23 doesn't say that Jesus is God.
It says he would be called Immanual, which means: with us is God.This is what I'm talking about. More than half of the scriptures that apparently say Jesus is God, don't really say that Jesus is God.
Above, I actually checked the times that Jehovah is specifically called God. I counted them.
Quote Tim2,
There is a saying that goes like this – you can find out who someone is by knowing who they are not.For example:
My name is Mandy, and my mother's name is Clara.
This tells you that 1) I am Mandy, and 2) I am not Clara.
The same logic would be true for Jesus, and his Father. Would it not? And if not, why?
The reason Not3 is that normal logic does not apply with God, as they will say.
Who can understand such things they say. It is incomparable they say.
Normal logic is useless when speaking with most such people.Hi Tim
John 20:17: Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
Tim? Jesus said “my Father and your Father; and my God and your God”
Isnt it strange how this scripture conflicts with you? Unless you can tell me exactly what Jesus meant by that considering he is that One God you claim he is.
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PhoenixHi David,
Yes, Jehovah is God. I have no argument with that.
Jesus is also called God. You might dare to dispute John 1:1. Do you dispute John 20:28.
More importantly, do you demand that the Lord call Himself God more than He does?
Tim
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 04 2007,07:27) Tim2,
There is a saying that goes like this – you can find out who someone is by knowing who they are not.For example:
My name is Mandy, and my mother's name is Clara.
This tells you that 1) I am Mandy, and 2) I am not Clara.
The same logic would be true for Jesus, and his Father. Would it not? And if not, why?
Hi Not3in1,I agree. Jesus is not the Father.
Your mother is human, right? You're also human right? Don't sons/daughters tend to have the same nature as their parents? Has a parent ever produced a son of a different nature?
Tim
Hi Tim
John 17:1-3 Jesus prays to God.
Hebrews 2:17,18 Hebrews 3:2 Jesus has faith in God.
Acts 3:13 Jesus is a servant of God.
Mark 13:32 Revelation 1:1 Jesus does not know things God knows.
John 4:22 Jesus worships God.
Revelation 3:12 Jesus has one who is God to him.
1stCorinthians 15:28 Jesus is in subjection to God.
1stCorinthians 11:1 Jesus' head is God.
Hebrews 5:7 Jesus has reverent submission, fear, of God.
Acts 2:36 Jesus is given lordship by God.
Acts 5:31 Jesus is exalted by God.
Hebrews 5:10 Jesus is made high priest by God.
Philippians 2:9 Jesus is given aurthority by God.
Luke 1:32,33 Jesus is given kingship by God.
Acts 10:42 Jesus is given judgment by God.
Acts 2:24, Romans 10.9, 1 Cor 15:15 “God raised [Jesus] from the dead”.
Mark 16:19, Luke 22:69, Acts 2:33, Romans 8:34 Jesus is at the right hand of God.
1 Tim 2:5 Jesus is the one human mediator between the one God and man.
1 Cor 15:24-28 God put everything, except Himself, under Jesus.
Do tell me if any of these are wrong and that they show Jesus is God.
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PhoenixQuote (Tim2 @ April 04 2007,18:43) Hi Phoenix, Yes, Jesus calls the Father His God. This doesn't say that Jesus is not God.
Tim
There is only One God though.Quote Jesus is also called God. You might dare to dispute John 1:1. Hi Tim2.
See:
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/newworldtranslation/john1files.htm
Quote More importantly, do you demand that the Lord call Himself God more than He does? I demand nothing. I only wonder why we are never told to worship the holy spirit or why it isn't specifically shown to be “God,” or why Jehovah is so very very clearly called God a thousand times, whereas Jesus only a few times, if they are all three equal.
Phoenix,
Thanks for the verses. Again, none of them say that Jesus is not God.
Those verses are all consistent with Trinitarian theology, which holds that because each of the three persons is God, it is possible to speak of one of the persons as God and in the same sentence to speak of His relation with one of the other persons.
However, your denial that Jesus is God is not consistent with the verses that declare Him to be God.
Tim
Hi David,
I'm glad you agree that Jesus is called God, if only a few times. Once is enough for me.
We should pray and study the Scripture to understand how God reveals Himself. But we should accept what He says. So yes, we are called to wonder and seek, but also to understand.
Tim
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 03 2007,23:23) It's nice to know that my posts still “catch your eye”, though it seems that there is a certain measure of disdain that comes along with that attention. Yes, Tim answered my general question concerning the Timothy passage quite ably, (though he did leave some of my specific questions unanswered). I don't agree with his answer, but I certainly have no intention of demanding further responses from him on that point. He has given his point of view, and I have given mine. And now, you have given yours as well.
Hi WIT,
Tp be honest I didn't really mean the post I wrote to you to come accross that way. But after reading it again I accept that it did. I apologise. I rate you as one of the most lucid thinkers at HN and certainly you are an excellent communicator of your thoughts, so it would be disingenuous of me to treat anything you write disdainfully. I probably shouldn't have posted anything last night as I was pretty tired (mentally)….I'll have to watch that in future.No hard feelings.
Quote (david @ April 04 2007,07:55) Based on the Bible, what does the word “god” mean?
Hi David,Based on the Bible, there is no god besides YHWH.
Tim
Quote (Tim2 @ April 04 2007,18:53) Phoenix, Thanks for the verses. Again, none of them say that Jesus is not God.
Those verses are all consistent with Trinitarian theology, which holds that because each of the three persons is God, it is possible to speak of one of the persons as God and in the same sentence to speak of His relation with one of the other persons.
However, your denial that Jesus is God is not consistent with the verses that declare Him to be God.
Tim
What? LOLAnyway, I wasnt looking for verses that says he ISNT God. I was looking for verses that showed he didnt consider himself God as well as some other gospel writers.
Mark 10:18
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.I forgot this one
Quote Based on the Bible, there is no god besides YHWH. No, based on the whole Bible, what does the word elohim or God mean?
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