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Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 23 2007,10:42) Timothy, do you have the Holy Spirit?
Hi Is 1:18,I pray each morning that God will fill me with His Holy Spirit so that there is no room left for satan.
Don't get me wrong. I believe in the Father God, His son Jesus the Christ and I believe that God is a spirit and can send His spirit to reside in each of us.
I just can't wrap my mind around the co-equal, three in one concept, when Jesus talked himself hoarse telling everyone that would listen that his Father was greater than He was.
Tim
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 23 2007,10:42) Timothy, do you have the Holy Spirit?
Hi again Is 1:18,I am sorry, I think that I evaded your question.
Do I have the Holy Spirit?
I was convinced that the spirit came into me when I was baptized. Even though it was in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.There has been a period of time when I believe that spirit left me because I turned my back on God. But it was only withdrawn temporarily, so that I could learn the error of my ways.
Tim
God's spirit is given to us as a “deposit.” When we believed in Christ we were “sealed” with the precious holy spirit of God. These were given so that we know our inheritance is secure. Ephesians 1 and others.
Can we lose that seal, deposit, guarantee, and inheritance if we walk away? Isn't a guarantee a guarantee? I've always wondered this. Even Paul said that he presses on towards the goal, not that he has attained it, but that he hopes for it……I wonder?
Tim – interesting what your Pastor said. Do you attend a Trinitarian church?
Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 23 2007,20:21) God's spirit is given to us as a “deposit.” When we believed in Christ we were “sealed” with the precious holy spirit of God. These were given so that we know our inheritance is secure. Ephesians 1 and others. Can we lose that seal, deposit, guarantee, and inheritance if we walk away? Isn't a guarantee a guarantee? I've always wondered this. Even Paul said that he presses on towards the goal, not that he has attained it, but that he hopes for it……I wonder?
Tim – interesting what your Pastor said. Do you attend a Trinitarian church?
Hi Timothy,
N3IO is right, I think. We are “sealed” in Christ Jesus when we recieve the “Helper”. And it's not a conditional gift, withdrwan when we move away from God, but a permanent one. It's our “guarantee” of salvation (not a limited warranty).John 14:16-17
“I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.Does the word “forever” denote something conditional? Not to my mind….
Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 23 2007,11:09) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 23 2007,10:42) Timothy, do you have the Holy Spirit?
Hi Is 1:18,I pray each morning that God will fill me with His Holy Spirit so that there is no room left for satan.
Don't get me wrong. I believe in the Father God, His son Jesus the Christ and I believe that God is a spirit and can send His spirit to reside in each of us.
I just can't wrap my mind around the co-equal, three in one concept, when Jesus talked himself hoarse telling everyone that would listen that his Father was greater than He was.
Tim
The Father is “greater” (Gr. meizon), no one's disputing that….but He is not a greater “being”. Yeshua's “hypostasis” is identical to the Father's (Heb 1:3).Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 23 2007,20:21) God's spirit is given to us as a “deposit.” When we believed in Christ we were “sealed” with the precious holy spirit of God. These were given so that we know our inheritance is secure. Ephesians 1 and others. Can we lose that seal, deposit, guarantee, and inheritance if we walk away? Isn't a guarantee a guarantee? I've always wondered this. Even Paul said that he presses on towards the goal, not that he has attained it, but that he hopes for it……I wonder?
Tim – interesting what your Pastor said. Do you attend a Trinitarian church?
Hi not3in1,I live in a very small community with only one church.
Consequently, it is called a non denominational church.
In reality, it is a multi-demoninational church.
The majority of the church body believes in what Orthadox Christianity teaches though.I am frequently the oddball out. But I love them so I keep going.
TimQuote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 23 2007,21:20) Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 23 2007,11:09) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 23 2007,10:42) Timothy, do you have the Holy Spirit?
Hi Is 1:18,I pray each morning that God will fill me with His Holy Spirit so that there is no room left for satan.
Don't get me wrong. I believe in the Father God, His son Jesus the Christ and I believe that God is a spirit and can send His spirit to reside in each of us.
I just can't wrap my mind around the co-equal, three in one concept, when Jesus talked himself hoarse telling everyone that would listen that his Father was greater than He was.
Tim
The Father is “greater” (Gr. meizon), no one's disputing that….but He is not a greater “being”. Yeshua's “hypostasis” is identical to the Father's (Heb 1:3).
Hi Is 1:18,God gave Jesus all the power in the heaven and the earth. But did not give Him power over Himself.
Therefore Jesus must submit to God and will turn everything back over to Him in the end so that God can be all in all.I used to think that I believed in the trinity. But it was just easier to go along with everyone else.
It was a trinity church within which I came to Christ.
People who belong to trinity churches do immeasurable good for the world. In short, I can find nothing wrong with the people that I know that believe in the trinity. They are just mistaken in my humble opinion. I keep my mind and heart open though. Just in case God is trying to show me, through one of you perhaps, that I am mistaken.Tim
Quote People who belong to trinity churches do immeasurable good for the world. In short, I can find nothing wrong with the people that I know that believe in the trinity. They are just mistaken in my humble opinion.
Okay, thanks Timothy, but precisely how are they mistaken?What is it that I have written (below) that is incorrect in your opinion?
Quote The Father is “greater” (Gr. meizon), no one's disputing that….but He is not a greater “being”. Yeshua's “hypostasis” is identical to the Father's (Heb 1:3). Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 23 2007,21:17) Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 23 2007,20:21) God's spirit is given to us as a “deposit.” When we believed in Christ we were “sealed” with the precious holy spirit of God. These were given so that we know our inheritance is secure. Ephesians 1 and others. Can we lose that seal, deposit, guarantee, and inheritance if we walk away? Isn't a guarantee a guarantee? I've always wondered this. Even Paul said that he presses on towards the goal, not that he has attained it, but that he hopes for it……I wonder?
Tim – interesting what your Pastor said. Do you attend a Trinitarian church?
Hi Timothy,
N3IO is right, I think. We are “sealed” in Christ Jesus when we recieve the “Helper”. And it's not a conditional gift, withdrwan when we move away from God, but a permanent one. It's our “guarantee” of salvation (not a limited warranty).John 14:16-17
“I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.Does the word “forever” denote something conditional? Not to my mind….
Hi Isaiah 1:18:“…He hath said, “I will never leave you nor forsake thee”.(Heb. 13:5) But can we forsake him? Tim said he turned his back on him. Are you in the spirit of holiness if you have unrepentant sin in your life?
“But and if that servant say in his heart, my lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the men-servants and maidens, and eat and drink and to be drunken; the lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers”. (Luke 12:45-46) Also, Matt. 25 relative to the five foolish virgins, John 15:2, 6, 1 John 1:4, and Hebrews 10:26-39)
He indeed is faithful to his promises, but the Holy Ghost does not take away our free will, and so, I believe that we can for-sake him, but I also know from experience that He is indeed a merciful God, and he will take some one who has turned their back on him, if they come back to him with a repentant heart.
God Bless
Tim,
I grew up in a small town, too. We attended one of the only churches there, and it happened to be the Assembly of God church. I would have a very hard time attending that church now. But I also know how it feels to not be a part of a physical body of Christ. It can get lonely, at times. I just recently found some Church of God folks who gather in homes, and it has been a huge blessing in my life. I stopped going to the Foursquare church I was attending back in 2004. Sometimes I miss the people…..but I don't miss the false doctrine being slung from the pulpit. One time the Pastor said that they Trinity was like a “healthy family and we aren't used to healthy families.” Spare me.Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 23 2007,22:41) Quote People who belong to trinity churches do immeasurable good for the world. In short, I can find nothing wrong with the people that I know that believe in the trinity. They are just mistaken in my humble opinion.
Okay, thanks Timothy, but precisely how are they mistaken?What is it that I have written (below) that is incorrect in your opinion?
Quote The Father is “greater” (Gr. meizon), no one's disputing that….but He is not a greater “being”. Yeshua's “hypostasis” is identical to the Father's (Heb 1:3).
Hi Is 1.18,
They are convinced God is not one but three persons in one and despite the fact that they cannot prove it from scripture they dare to boldly teach it.Quote Hi Is 1:18, God gave Jesus all the power in the heaven and the earth. But did not give Him power over Himself.
Therefore Jesus must submit to God and will turn everything back over to Him in the end so that God can be all in all.I used to think that I believed in the trinity. But it was just easier to go along with everyone else.
It was a trinity church within which I came to Christ.
People who belong to trinity churches do immeasurable good for the world. In short, I can find nothing wrong with the people that I know that believe in the trinity. They are just mistaken in my humble opinion. I keep my mind and heart open though. Just in case God is trying to show me, through one of you perhaps, that I am mistaken.
Good one TimothyVI.Quote (942767 @ Mar. 23 2007,23:27) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 23 2007,21:17) Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 23 2007,20:21) God's spirit is given to us as a “deposit.” When we believed in Christ we were “sealed” with the precious holy spirit of God. These were given so that we know our inheritance is secure. Ephesians 1 and others. Can we lose that seal, deposit, guarantee, and inheritance if we walk away? Isn't a guarantee a guarantee? I've always wondered this. Even Paul said that he presses on towards the goal, not that he has attained it, but that he hopes for it……I wonder?
Tim – interesting what your Pastor said. Do you attend a Trinitarian church?
Hi Timothy,
N3IO is right, I think. We are “sealed” in Christ Jesus when we recieve the “Helper”. And it's not a conditional gift, withdrwan when we move away from God, but a permanent one. It's our “guarantee” of salvation (not a limited warranty).John 14:16-17
“I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.Does the word “forever” denote something conditional? Not to my mind….
Hi Isaiah 1:18:“…He hath said, “I will never leave you nor forsake thee”.(Heb. 13:5) But can we forsake him? Tim said he turned his back on him. Are you in the spirit of holiness if you have unrepentant sin in your life?
“But and if that servant say in his heart, my lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the men-servants and maidens, and eat and drink and to be drunken; the lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers”. (Luke 12:45-46) Also, Matt. 25 relative to the five foolish virgins, John 15:2, 6, 1 John 1:4, and Hebrews 10:26-39)
He indeed is faithful to his promises, but the Holy Ghost does not take away our free will, and so, I believe that we can for-sake him, but I also know from experience that He is indeed a merciful God, and he will take some one who has turned their back on him, if they come back to him with a repentant heart.
God Bless
Interesting post SDN, I'll think it over. On the face of it though, I can't see how it challenges Yeshua's clear teaching in John 14:16-17. I don't think the Holy Spirit's indwelling is predicated on our good behaviour….Is that what you think?
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Okay, thanks Timothy, but precisely how are they mistaken?
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In my humble opinion.Tim
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 23 2007,22:41) Quote People who belong to trinity churches do immeasurable good for the world. In short, I can find nothing wrong with the people that I know that believe in the trinity. They are just mistaken in my humble opinion.
Okay, thanks Timothy, but precisely how are they mistaken?What is it that I have written (below) that is incorrect in your opinion?
Quote The Father is “greater” (Gr. meizon), no one's disputing that….but He is not a greater “being”. Yeshua's “hypostasis” is identical to the Father's (Heb 1:3).
Hi Is 1:18If your definition of hypostasis is, to be the essence of,
I agree with that statement. If on the other hand your understanding of the word hypostasis is, one fo the three beings in the trinity, then in my opinion what you have written is incorrect.Please keep in mind these are all my opinions.
As such they are only right or wrong to me.Tim
Hi Is 1.18,
The Son is the image of the Father God.
An image is not exactly the same as the original.
A mirror shows two dimensions, not three.Oh I see…..Yeshua is just a holographic image of the Father….
Is that what you mead Nick?
If not, can you give us your exegesis of Hebrews 1:3?
Hi Is 1.18,
There are not two or three Gods.
If the Son was a God with God then he was begotten before time.
God is one and the monogenes Son is His beloved image, the exact representation of His nature.Right…..so if it's an exact representation – then it could not be in and sense inferior, could it?
So the “hypostasis” (essence/substance) of the Son is identical to the Father.
“… in Heb. 1:3, of Christ as “the very image” of God's “substance;” here the word has the meaning of the real nature of that to which reference is made in contrast to the outward manifestation (see the preceding clause); it speaks of the Divine essence of God existent and expressed in the revelation of His Son. The AV, “person” is an anachronism; the word was not so rendered till the 4th cent. Most of the earlier Eng. versions have “substance;” (Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)
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