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Quote (david @ Mar. 18 2007,10:10) Quote He avoids posting scriptures that teach the Trinity because there are none.
Umm. No, obviously he will post scriptures that he believes supports his beliefs. But he is extremely precise in his words. I imagine he already has his post ready, and has for some time.
You were almost magnanimous in your assessment of me here…you surprise me sometimes David.BTW, no I haven't pre-written any of my rebuttles and will be starting from scratch with those.
Quote You were almost magnanimous in your assessment of me here.
I assure you I have no idea what that means. But to me, you seem like someone who would have about 2000 pages of files on the trinity. So, to find a few scriptures with what seem to be well written arguments shouldn't be too hard. Maybe I'm wrong. But while you will have to start from “scatch,” I can't think you're not just finding arguments you've already made and putting them into presentational form, sharpening everything, with knife like precision. That's what I meant. So please don't call me names. It's uncalled for!
(This is of course, a joke)To WorshippingJesus.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 20 2007,02:11) t8
Are you serious! LOL.And you condemn all the time. You told me once that I was a servant of satan!
Absolutely serious.I may condemn the Trinity doctrine but I haven't condemned you or anyone else.
There was a time I too believed that doctrine and I certainly do not condemn myself, therefore it wouldn't be right for me to condemn you for believing that doctrine.That aside, I have made references to those who teach false doctrine that their judgment will be more harsh. But that is a quote from scripture, therefore I didn't say it, I repeated it.
And for me calling you a servant of Satan, I find that hard to believe that I called you (specifically) a servant of Satan. If you think I did, I deeply apologise for making you feel this way, but I can assure you that I wouldn't do that.
Probably what happend was I may have mentioned something about a servant of Satan and you felt that I was directing it toward you or the way I described it related to something you did.
So that wouldn't count. E.g., if I said that opposing God's work can only be inspired by the Devil and you were opposing that work, then you made the connection yourself. But the statement that opposing God's work is inspired by the adversary is a true statement.
But I can assure you that I haven't called you a servant of Satan. If so, please quote it and in context.
To WorshippingJesus.
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There is more condemnation toward Trinitarians here than towards those who arnt. For one we are out numbered on this site by probably 5 to 1.Constantly accusations are made to even get saved!
Actually what you will find is that we were happily seeking out the truth when all these Trinitarians busted up the party by accusing us of being unsaved and wicked. They were the ones that started the whole thing regarding accusations. Look for example at the beginning of this discussion and it must be noted that this discussion was the first one about the Trinity. If you read further in you will see accusations such as being unsaved from Trinitarians toward myself and others for not believing in that doctrine. At one point even some Trinitarians thought that such an accusation was wrong.
Given that we were accused of being unsaved, I can tell you that I have never said that those who believe in the Trinity doctrine are unsaved because I do not believe that to be the case and never have.
In otherwords I do not make the same judgement toward them that has been made against me.
I condemn the doctrine itself (not the affected people) for the following reason:
2 Corinthians 10:5
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.In light of this, it may be wise for yourself to be careful with your accusations. A prudent person should make sure that such a thing were spoken before making the accusation.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 20 2007,23:37) To WorshippingJesus. Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 20 2007,02:11) t8
Are you serious! LOL.And you condemn all the time. You told me once that I was a servant of satan!
Absolutely serious.I may condemn the Trinity doctrine but I haven't condemned you or anyone else.
There was a time I too believed that doctrine and I certainly do not condemn myself, therefore it wouldn't be right for me to condemn you for believing that doctrine.That aside, I have made references to those who teach false doctrine that their judgment will be more harsh. But that is a quote from scripture, therefore I didn't say it, I repeated it.
And for me calling you a servant of Satan, I find that hard to believe that I called you (specifically) a servant of Satan. If you think I did, I deeply apologise for making you feel this way, but I can assure you that I wouldn't do that.
Probably what happend was I may have mentioned something about a servant of Satan and you felt that I was directing it toward you or the way I described it related to something you did.
So that wouldn't count. E.g., if I said that opposing God's work can only be inspired by the Devil and you were opposing that work, then you made the connection yourself. But the statement that opposing God's work is inspired by the adversary is a true statement.
But I can assure you that I haven't called you a servant of Satan. If so, please quote it and in context.
t8Maybe you are right. It has been a while and I dont remember the exact words, but I remember distintly calling you out on it and was shocked you said it.
If not then I apologise.
However, it is the same thing if you claim that I am inspired by the devil for teaching a trinitarian view.
I teach what the Bible says, maybe it dosnt agree with you as I know it dosnt, but I stick as close to scripture litterally as I can.
So it is fair game then. I believe that teaching a Henotheistic view of God is also contrary to scriptures and is inspired by satan.
Blessings
It would be so nice if we had the capability to print an individual post. Would it be possible to add a “printer” icon in the corner of each post so that we could print out that post, if we wanted to? I've wanted to print several, but found I would have to print the whole thread (and that is just too much). I know this question probably belongs somewhere else, but I see T8 is responding here and you are the owner of this site, are you not? Thanks so much
Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 21 2007,17:22) It would be so nice if we had the capability to print an individual post. Would it be possible to add a “printer” icon in the corner of each post so that we could print out that post, if we wanted to? I've wanted to print several, but found I would have to print the whole thread (and that is just too much). I know this question probably belongs somewhere else, but I see T8 is responding here and you are the owner of this site, are you not? Thanks so much
Hi Not3in1,The easiest thing to do is just copy what you want to print and then paste it in a word document.
Then just print that document.If you are unfamiliar with that function, left click your mouse and drag it across what you want to save. It will turn dark highlighted. Then left click your mouse and a menu will come up on your screen left click the copy.
I am sorry if this was too basic for you. I did not know how familiar you were with the computer.
Tim
Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 21 2007,23:32) Tim – Thanks so much! It works
I am glad it worked.
I noticed that I told you to left click after highlighting what you wanted. I meant to say right click to get the menu to save.My bad
Tim
Well, I confess, I'm just cutting and pasting without the fancy “quote” thing. I'll figure it out eventually!
Thanks, again!!!!I have an interesting question for those of you who are NOT trinitarians:
If you hold the belief in water baptism, can you tell me if you believe we should be baptized in the name of Jesus only, or the formula laid out in Matthew?
Hi Not3,
Let Peter speak
Acts 2
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.Hi Not3,
This comes as a surprise to many but ALL baptisms in the book of Acts are in the name of Jesus.
There are many false baptisms such as infant or trinity baptisms as satan offers alternatives to faith at every turn on the road.Martian – welcome! I'm new, too! I tell ya, you sure don't have to look very far in the history of Biblical Doctrine to find all the definitions that you want on John 1:1.
May I ask what your current belief/understanding is?
May I also point out that t8, Nick, Timothy and Adam Pastor are excellent teachers! Pay attention to their posts in particular.
Nick, thank you. This is what I thought. When I was 9 I was baptized with the trinity formula. Just recently, I have joined a fellowship that meets in houses and decided I wanted to get re-baptized into Jesus (because I denounced the trinity in 2003). I saw this as the perfect time to re-dedicate to Christ and follow the first believer's – and be baptized into the name of Jesus.
Well, guess what? To my surprise, as this brother (who is a Biblical Unitarian), was dunking me, he used the trinity formula! I was so shocked (even while I was under the water), that I didn't know what to say. And guess what else? Others that were present didn't even notice. I mentioned it to several later on and they said they didn't rememeber what the brother said. Which is typical, everyone was caught up in the emotion of it.
At any rate, I'm struggling with this – obviously. What do you think I should do? Do it again? Or just know that God knows my heart? Maybe it doesn't matter at all?
Quote (Not3in1 @ Mar. 22 2007,22:09) Nick, thank you. This is what I thought. When I was 9 I was baptized with the trinity formula. Just recently, I have joined a fellowship that meets in houses and decided I wanted to get re-baptized into Jesus (because I denounced the trinity in 2003). I saw this as the perfect time to re-dedicate to Christ and follow the first believer's – and be baptized into the name of Jesus. Well, guess what? To my surprise, as this brother (who is a Biblical Unitarian), was dunking me, he used the trinity formula! I was so shocked (even while I was under the water), that I didn't know what to say. And guess what else? Others that were present didn't even notice. I mentioned it to several later on and they said they didn't rememeber what the brother said. Which is typical, everyone was caught up in the emotion of it.
At any rate, I'm struggling with this – obviously. What do you think I should do? Do it again? Or just know that God knows my heart? Maybe it doesn't matter at all?
Hi Not3in1:What I have learned through experience is that it does not matter which formula is used but that you believe with a repentant heart.
You are saved by faith and you responded to that faith by water baptism.
There is some question whether or not Matthew 28:19 is a valid scripture, but I understand that the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost is Jesus which means Jehovah is salvation.
If you have received the Holy Ghost, then your sins have been forgiven. It is not the water that washes away your sins but the blood of Jesus.
This is my understanding. I hope that it helps.
God Bless
Hi 94,
Acts 22
” 16'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.'Whose name?
We cannot ignore such verses.
Certainly it is not written that the apostles were baptised and Jesus said to them in Jn 15
” 3″You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. “
But we should try to fulfill all righteousness as Jesus did if we are following him.
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