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Quote (Phoenix @ Mar. 17 2007,06:06) Quote Phoenix, can I ask you to please tell me how you interpret these verses from John’s prologue? I honestly cant because I havent delved deep enough into the Trinity debate. However, I am not truly convinced how accurate the bible really is. Considering I found a few contradicting verses (not related to the trinity) which then made me do a search on the Internet to find out if anyone else had found the contradicting verse and voila! I found a website that states all the contradicting verses in the New Testament alone!! you will see my thread in the biblical doctrine board.
Quote The wonderful truth of God's Word is so refreshing so pure and so true! WJ, you sound like someone with a big ego. Check out my NT Contradictions thread. You will find a website link to the contradictions of the bible which is considered God's Word.
Hugs
Phoenix
PhoenixHUH?
Wow! I praise and exalt Gods word as being so pure and true, and I get scorned for it?
Quote (Phoenix @ Mar. 17 2007,06:06) Quote Phoenix, can I ask you to please tell me how you interpret these verses from John’s prologue? I honestly cant because I havent delved deep enough into the Trinity debate. However, I am not truly convinced how accurate the bible really is. Considering I found a few contradicting verses (not related to the trinity) which then made me do a search on the Internet to find out if anyone else had found the contradicting verse and voila! I found a website that states all the contradicting verses in the New Testament alone!! you will see my thread in the biblical doctrine board.
Quote The wonderful truth of God's Word is so refreshing so pure and so true! WJ, you sound like someone with a big ego. Check out my NT Contradictions thread. You will find a website link to the contradictions of the bible which is considered God's Word.
Hugs
Phoenix
PhoenixSo are you here to find fault in the scriptures or find the truth in them?
Quote (Phoenix @ Mar. 17 2007,06:16) I wasnt scorning you i was pointing something out to you
Well my friend.I suppose I was surprised.
Truly though if you would have made that statement, I would have said Praise God you are right.
Im here to find truth WJ but I keep finding faults. Ironic huh?! Im just about to give up to be honest
Quote (Phoenix @ Mar. 17 2007,06:28) Im here to find truth WJ but I keep finding faults. Ironic huh?! Im just about to give up to be honest
PhoenixSorry to hear that.
It is true that all the confusion here on this forum about the scriptures is not a good witness, and sometime I wonder about the fruit of it.
But then it can be a learning ground in the sence that it can press us to seek the truth like you are.
I suppose that we have to try to understand that no man is perfect or has perfect truth. We are all still flesh, and you are right “Egos” can and does get involved.
I do pray for you though and hope that you dont give up!
God is a big God and he is not limited to our mere doctrines or understanding.
But this one thing is true, and we should hear it more here than we do, and that is God loves us more than we can imagine.
All of us!
Hang in there my friend! Blessings!
Quote (Phoenix @ Mar. 17 2007,06:28) Im here to find truth WJ but I keep finding faults. Ironic huh?! Im just about to give up to be honest
PhoenixDid you check out the writers on that site?
They are “Naturalist”, which are “atheist” who believes that the world can be understood through the physical. A believer in the philosophy of naturalism.
Most of what I could tell of the writings without going in depth
are fabricated lies!Any way here is the link to their main page if you hadnt seen it!
Blessings!
hi phoenix,
please don't give up. God is true. man is not. the internet is certainly not. you truly can find support on the internet to give “undeniable evidence” to any idea under the sun. that does not make it so. keep seeking, keep asking, keep knocking. endure till the end. although i am still seeking and still have many questions… i keep resting in the fact that God is true. and He is faithful.
i think i read somewhere that you have kids. please do not give up… for their sakes.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 15 2007,22:25) Hi w,
You said in another thread
“It is true the word Trinity is not found in the scriptures.I dont like the word myself! Because I dont think it fully explains the nature of God”
Having reached this conclusion will you join with us in exposing this deceptive falsehood which has been espoused as essential doctrine by so many?
Hi W,
If you have realised trinity is not an accurate representation of our God then you must appreciate that it is wrong to preach it and puts men at risk of insulting God? It it is not correct it is evil.Are we still discussing the trinity?
If the ones who wanted and sought to have Jesus put to death didn't think Jesus was God Almighty, I see no reason any of us ever should.
Is 1:18
“Henotheism is similar but less exclusive than monolatry because a monolator worships only one god, while the henotheist may worship any within the pantheon, depending on circumstances.”–Wickipedia link from Is 1:18
Monolatry is “the worship of a single god [Jehovah] but without claiming that he is the only god [in the Bible, there are others where that term does rightfully fit].”–wordnet.princeton.edu
And while Jehovah may not be “the only god” he is the only true God in comparison to all others. The Israelite judges were gods (mighty ones) in reference to the others. Angels are gods in reference to humans. Satan is a god (mighty one) over this world. But none of these are worshiped.
Compared to everyone else, Jehovah is the only one who doesn't have a god (mighty one). We are often told that Jesus has a God. Never that Jehovah has one.
So, that word “henotheism” definitely doesn't apply to my beliefs. Of course, most people don't use words like this and if one said “monotheism” that would
monotheism: The belief that there is only one God
God: Object of worship…
Hence, monotheism fits pretty well too. I believe that there is only one object of worship, one we should worship. If you wanted to get extremely technical, “Monolatry” may be a better word.
Quote (Phoenix @ Mar. 17 2007,06:06) I honestly cant because I havent delved deep enough into the Trinity debate. However, I am not truly convinced how accurate the bible really is. Considering I found a few contradicting verses (not related to the trinity) which then made me do a search on the Internet to find out if anyone else had found the contradicting verse and voila! I found a website that states all the contradicting verses in the New Testament alone!! you will see my thread in the biblical doctrine board.
Hi Phoenix,
I think if the Bible was full of (authentic) contradictions than the belief system would have died a natural death a long time ago. Without scriptural integrity there is no basis for genuine christian faith (save for supernatural experiences of God, I suppose). And yet there are 2-3 billion self-proclaimed christians alive today. Many of them have closely examined the veracity of the christian texts and found no faith-challenging errors. There are translational anomolies – yes…..but there are so many versions, so it's hardly surprising. It's the original autographs that christians hold to be infallible.Why don't you start a thread and annotate the ostensibly problematic contradictions and see if there are reasonable explanations and resolutions. My money is on the Bible.
Blessings
Is 1:18PS, don't know why you think that about WJ – he is passionate, but not arrogant. He's one of the good guys.
Quote (Phoenix @ Mar. 17 2007,06:06) Quote Phoenix, can I ask you to please tell me how you interpret these verses from John’s prologue? I honestly cant because I havent delved deep enough into the Trinity debate. However, I am not truly convinced how accurate the bible really is. Considering I found a few contradicting verses (not related to the trinity) which then made me do a search on the Internet to find out if anyone else had found the contradicting verse and voila! I found a website that states all the contradicting verses in the New Testament alone!! you will see my thread in the biblical doctrine board.
Quote The wonderful truth of God's Word is so refreshing so pure and so true! WJ, you sound like someone with a big ego. Check out my NT Contradictions thread. You will find a website link to the contradictions of the bible which is considered God's Word.
Hugs
Phoenix
Hi Phoenix,You and I are struggling with the same kind of problems in our search for the truth.
I have come to the conclusion that there may have been textural scriptures that were the innerant word of God.
But the bible, whichever one you are reading, is definitely not the innerant word of God. It is a book of stories within which there are things that God wants for us to know. There are also additions made by scribes, changes made by churches to support doctrines of different denominations and translational errors. Even your bible tells you this is true.Jer 8:8 “How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made {it} into a lie.
Not to mention that the bible should have been a translation of the original texts and not an interpretation of them to begin with.
So what is left for us to do? Study the bible, while all the time asking for guidance from the Holy Spirit to descern the truth.
There are many things wrong with our bibles, but they are the closest thing we have to our God speaking to us. And within those pages are scattered the gems of the wisdom of God.God be with you,
Tim
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 17 2007,08:32) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 15 2007,22:25) Hi w,
You said in another thread
“It is true the word Trinity is not found in the scriptures.I dont like the word myself! Because I dont think it fully explains the nature of God”
Having reached this conclusion will you join with us in exposing this deceptive falsehood which has been espoused as essential doctrine by so many?
Hi W,
If you have realised trinity is not an accurate representation of our God then you must appreciate that it is wrong to preach it and puts men at risk of insulting God? It it is not correct it is evil.
Hi W,
Scripture says that what is not of faith in sin.
So if God had shown you trinity is an inadequate description of His nature then it seems wise to not preach it.Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 17 2007,14:05) Quote (Phoenix @ Mar. 17 2007,06:06) Quote Phoenix, can I ask you to please tell me how you interpret these verses from John’s prologue? I honestly cant because I havent delved deep enough into the Trinity debate. However, I am not truly convinced how accurate the bible really is. Considering I found a few contradicting verses (not related to the trinity) which then made me do a search on the Internet to find out if anyone else had found the contradicting verse and voila! I found a website that states all the contradicting verses in the New Testament alone!! you will see my thread in the biblical doctrine board.
Quote The wonderful truth of God's Word is so refreshing so pure and so true! WJ, you sound like someone with a big ego. Check out my NT Contradictions thread. You will find a website link to the contradictions of the bible which is considered God's Word.
Hugs
Phoenix
Hi Phoenix,You and I are struggling with the same kind of problems in our search for the truth.
I have come to the conclusion that there may have been textural scriptures that were the innerant word of God.
But the bible, whichever one you are reading, is definitely not the innerant word of God. It is a book of stories within which there are things that God wants for us to know. There are also additions made by scribes, changes made by churches to support doctrines of different denominations and translational errors. Even your bible tells you this is true.Jer 8:8 “How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made {it} into a lie.
Not to mention that the bible should have been a translation of the original texts and not an interpretation of them to begin with.
So what is left for us to do? Study the bible, while all the time asking for guidance from the Holy Spirit to descern the truth.
There are many things wrong with our bibles, but they are the closest thing we have to our God speaking to us. And within those pages are scattered the gems of the wisdom of God.God be with you,
Tim
Hi Tim,
When the spirit of man conflicts with the written work of the Spirit of God in the scriptures it is better to pray for wisdom than to make a stand that scripture is incorrect surely?The Spirit does not lie and to assume scripture is often untrue and largely unreliable is to make a stand on your own understanding and is to cut your self off from the rock.
2Peter 1
“19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
Seek the morning star-the mind of Christ.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 17 2007,17:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 17 2007,08:32) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 15 2007,22:25) Hi w,
You said in another thread
“It is true the word Trinity is not found in the scriptures.I dont like the word myself! Because I dont think it fully explains the nature of God”
Having reached this conclusion will you join with us in exposing this deceptive falsehood which has been espoused as essential doctrine by so many?
Hi W,
If you have realised trinity is not an accurate representation of our God then you must appreciate that it is wrong to preach it and puts men at risk of insulting God? It it is not correct it is evil.
Hi W,
Scripture says that what is not of faith in sin.
So if God had shown you trinity is an inadequate description of His nature then it seems wise to not preach it.
NHYou should not miss represent me.
I said I dont like the word “Trinity” because it dosnt Fully describe he nature of God!
Do you know any word that fully describes the nature of God?
Besides as you already know “Trinity” dosnt mean the same thing to every one. Some believe that the “Trinity” is three beings in one God!
Some believe there are three persons in One God!
Some believe there are three in One but not all are God!
So you can stop all the accusations and contentious statements of condemnation, which is not becoming of God who is love.
It is also not being honest when you know full well that I have a Trinitarian view of God.
Blessings!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 17 2007,19:52) Hi W,
There is one God and one Spirit that proceeds from God through Christ to us.
No trinity needed.
NHYes three in one!
Right? Are they not One?
Looks like a variation of trinity to me!
Hi Nick,
I never said that scriptures are often untrue. I said that bibles are.
We have undisputed proof of that. I wish I could stick my head in the sand and
pretend that it isn't so. It would be much easier studying the bible.
But unfortunately, it is so.I could show you proof of what I say, but you would not believe absolute, indesputable proof anyway.
I am invious of, and admire that in you, what would I gain by trying to destroy that.Blessings,
Tim
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