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Hi soxan,
I tell you what is written in scripture and you call these things lies? If you do not believe scripture then who are you following and where are you going?Trinity is not written in scripture yet you hold fast to it. That makes your teachers greater than Jesus and the Apostles does it not? Such faith and loyalty is admirable but should it not be better placed?
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Quote Wherever anyone does not take you in or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city shake the dust off your feet. Nick said:
Quote Are you listening to yourself david? Nick to Soxan:
Quote I do not think it is possible to convince you about anything. Hi david,
I remain unconvinced that you either have any interest in questioning your JW doctrines. Your ears appear to be stopped and your love of rationalisations of those doctrines seem to show you do not wish to develop your knowledge beyond what you have been spoonfed by the JWs.Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being,…
He is the exact image not a lesser imageQuote (liljon @ Nov. 21 2005,22:04) Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being,…
He is the exact image not a lesser image
Hi liljon,
He is an image but not also the original or part of the original which that image reflects.Nick, my comment was not with reference to you. It was with reference to a certain one who you yourself say that it is not possible to reason with, much less communicate with. It's clear there is no possiblility of any actual discussion with this person, certainly not one based on the Bible.
So my comment was: “Wherever anyone does not take you in or listen to your words, on going out of that house or that city shake the dust off your feet.”
What do these words mean to you? If it's clear that someone isn't capable of listening to you or has no desire to do so, even as you state, what does it mean to shake the dust off your feet? What is the principal involved?Hi david,
I have faith that the Word of God is alive and active and capable of breaking through to even the hardest of hearts. An apostle moves on. A signpost keeps pointing the direction of safety even though it is ignored or has stones thrown at it.Dear Nick,
Quote Your doctrine is that of “universalism” [Jesus died and thus all are saved!] Nonsense my friend. God requires repentance and a sign of your faith before angels and men. You must have me mistaken with someone else, for this is not what I said. God does require repentance and a sign of faith. You must repent before Jesus and by calling out for Him to save you is a sign of your faith.
Luke 24:47 (NLT)
With my authority, take this message of repentance to all the nations, beginning in Jerusalem: 'There is forgiveness of sins for all who turn to me.'These are the words of Christ. “There is forgiveness of sins for all who turn to me.” Have you asked Jesus to forgive your sins?
Let me ask you several questions, and maybe this will help me understand you better.
1) Do you believe Jesus is Lord?
2) In your own belief, what does it mean to be “reborn into the Son”?
3) What does it mean to be saved? How does a person enter Heaven?Blake
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 15 2005,13:13) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 14 2005,09:11) The Word was divine. John 1:1c. Jesus is the son. “Son' is a noun.
Have I passed your test?
No, t8, you didn't. The title “son” tells me nothing about His ontology. Try again.
To Is 1:18He is the Word of God, (Logos). Have I passed your test now?
Quote (liljon @ Nov. 22 2005,17:04) Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being,…
He is the exact image not a lesser image
Lijon,He is still the image of God. No matter how much Christ reflects God, he is God's image and not God himself. He is like God and he is godly. He is a divine being, but he is the son of God, not God. If you want to argue with that, then your argument is with the one who inspired the scriptures that tell us this.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 22 2005,03:30) Quote (liljon @ Nov. 22 2005,17:04) Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being,…
He is the exact image not a lesser image
Lijon,He is still the image of God. No matter how much Christ reflects God, he is God's image and not God himself. He is like God and he is godly. He is a divine being, but he is the son of God, not God. If you want to argue with that, then your argument is with the one who inspired the scriptures that tell us this.
Think Out The Box:
Stay in the book, but think out the box.Life and soul are the same:
LIFE: Root word #5594: to breathe, blow, cool by blowing to be made or grow cool or cold metaph. of waning love
SOUL: Root word #5594 to breathe, blow, cool by blowing ,to be made or grow cool or cold, metaph. of waning love
SPIRIT: Root word #4154 to breathe, to blow, of the wind
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell
Given Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body (that protects the soul/life), but are not able to kill the soul (life/soul).
CONCLUSION: spirit/soul equals Life
And fear not them which destroy the Armour (BODY), but are not able to destroy the life (SPIRIT/SOUL).
Man cannot kill the life (spirit/soul) that God gives. Only God can do that! Right?
The spirit returns to God who gave it!
I BELIEVE THAT SOUL IS THE LIFE GOD GIVES YOU AND SPIRIT IS MY CHARACTER, PERSONALITY, ME.
That's why spirit and soul are so close. They are both LIFE. The soul is the breath of life and the spirit is life belonging to man and is man.
Did Jesus have an advantage by having God's Spirit–spirit. If He did then He was NOT tempted like I am. We inherited Adams spirit did we not? If God gave each individual a spirit then we would not have inherited sin. Or God deliberately gave each and every person a spirit of SIN. Do you see what I'm saying?
In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with God…..
The WORD was the beginning of creation. God spoke things into existence, using the WORD. So the Word was with God and the WORD was God. The WORD is part of GOD. John 1:1-5
GOD, SPIRIT AND THE WORD
In the beginning there was God. The almighty God. Then God thought. God used is Spirit and thought. After God thought He spoke the WORD. There was God, God's Spirit, and God's WORD, Or GOD GOD GOD!
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth.
God's WORD became flesh through Mary. Jesus is the WORD of GOD wrapped in flesh. Jesus developed His own human spirit . Then He was baptized and the Holy Spirit entered Him. Jesus did not have the Holy Spirit from birth. Everything happened after Jesus was baptized. Led into the wilderness by the Spirit. Started His ministry. Began healing etc. Jesus said He does nothing unless the Father does it first. God thought and Jesus spoke.
Since His resurrection Jesus is seated at the right hand of God. Now there is God, God's Spirit, and The Son of God. Being a Son because He has a Human spirit and the Holy Spirit. Before there was God, God, God.THINK OUT THE BOX!
Quote (beenblake @ Nov. 22 2005,00:16) Dear Nick, Quote Your doctrine is that of “universalism” [Jesus died and thus all are saved!] Nonsense my friend. God requires repentance and a sign of your faith before angels and men. You must have me mistaken with someone else, for this is not what I said. God does require repentance and a sign of faith. You must repent before Jesus and by calling out for Him to save you is a sign of your faith.
Luke 24:47 (NLT)
With my authority, take this message of repentance to all the nations, beginning in Jerusalem: 'There is forgiveness of sins for all who turn to me.'These are the words of Christ. “There is forgiveness of sins for all who turn to me.” Have you asked Jesus to forgive your sins?
Let me ask you several questions, and maybe this will help me understand you better.
1) Do you believe Jesus is Lord?
2) In your own belief, what does it mean to be “reborn into the Son”?
3) What does it mean to be saved? How does a person enter Heaven?Blake
Hi been blake,
Jesus is Lord. But is he your Lord yet?Lk 6.46
“Why do you call me Lord, Lord and do not do what I say?”
What did he say?
You must be born again of water and the Spirit.Paul was persecuting Christians when he was thrown off his horse and met Jesus. He said in Acts 26.15
” Who are you Lord?”
Was Jesus his lord at that stage? No, he was an enemy of Christ. In recognising the Lordship of Jesus he was simply reflecting he had met a greater being he did not even know.True servanthood to a Lord involves obedience to him. Indeed forgiveness is available to all who submit to baptism into the Son.
Your no apostle.
Yes, the signpost does keep pointing to safety. Here's another analogy. You are a life boat, searching for ones that are drowning. You help all who you can help. What of someone who yells and screams at you from the water and kicks your boat and says: “I'm fine,” and is unwilling to even discuss why he says this but is only willing to treat you abusively. Others are drowning. Pearls, swine, etc.
“the way I am directing my blows is so as not to be striking the air.” (1 Cor 9:26)
When dealing with some, you might as well be talking to the air. They have chosen to shut their hearts. All I'm saying is: What was Jesus' advice when someone does not take you in or listen to your words?
Oh, I see, I'm sorry. I just read your last post again. This site is not really like an apostle, but more of a signpost (albeit one with graffiti being spray painted on it by some).
Quote I remain unconvinced that you either have any interest in questioning your JW doctrines. Your ears appear to be stopped and your love of rationalisations of those doctrines seem to show you do not wish to develop your knowledge beyond what you have been spoonfed by the JWs.
Nick, I'm constantly questioning everything. No one made me become one of Jehovah's Witnesses. My life would have went on had I chosen not to be one. I would have spared myself certain attacks, mockings, laughter, etc. I chose to become one after much questioning. I question everything. And now, I'm questioning why you choose to tolerate abusive speech from someone who is completely unwilling to discuss the Bible, but only seems to want to tear you down.abusive speech? like that comment you made against the mentally challanged! you….you little man with a dirty little tongue that lies. Go and study your occultist induced translation of the bible with great assitance from your elders. How are your report cards coming along? How are sales? How are your false prophecies coming along, got any new ones? How are the billion dollar profits coming along? Shaking the dust off the feet indeed. Cretan!
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