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I assume by the context that the word spirit that that you are speaking of the spiritual component more specifically called soul.
The component more commonly known as the Spirit of the Son is the Spirit of God that God gave to Jesus, his servant. (Matthew 12:18)
The human soul comes to indwell the human body sometime during its formation in its mother’s womb; so Jesus being human was formed that way as well. God’s soul encased in human would not a human make. the would be God in human flesh and still incapable of being tempted by sin.
The doctrine that even God would be subject to temptation by evil when encased in flesh is of Gnostic religion not godly as they are the ones who teach flesh is the corrupting influence in humanity. The bible uses flesh to mean beast-like, natural, godless, etc.
In short your conjecture fails.
Nick,
You think God and His servant Abraham are happy to see religions spring up that oppose the way of Jesus Christ?
These words are irrelevant to to the topic we have been discussing so I assume you are finished with it.
Does a righteous doctor feel happiness when she cuts into a patient in order to remove cancer?
I find those words of God to Ezekiel in chapter 18 to be beautiful to my ears.
Ezekiel 18:19-23Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live. 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. 23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
They are about repentance and forgiveness as well as prizes for the righteous and punishment for the wicked.
It does not mention that there is any need for anyone to sacrifice themselves for other’s sins. Yet never the less God required the sacrifice of a soul given to the first death to rescue a soul given to the second. He did it that the one being shown mercy feel compassion for the one that perishes but not only compassion but also remorse and the desire to make amends.
Jesus was not punished for the sins of the wicked but rather for the sins of the whole world for had this not been a world ruled by sin he would not have died for righteous do not die as the wages of sin are death but the wages of righteousness. No other human was qualified for they all have sinned and fallen short of the grace of God.
You’re welcome! The word “Lord” is used towards Jesus in 3 different ways in the NT.
#1 as “sir”
#2 as “master/king”
#3 as the divine Lord.
Jesus, according to His flesh was made both Lord (#2) and Christ. David called Him Lord because He was his promised descendant to sit on the throne of David in the eternal kingdom.
What do you believe qualified the Son to take away the sins of mankind?
you said:
God raised HIS SERVANT according to Acts 3.
Does this fit with your two god theory?
Absolutely!
The spirit and soul of the Son is what would have taken on flesh. The spirit and soul had always existed, imo.
Hi LU!
The Spirit of the Son is the Holy Spirit shared with the Father.
God is Spirit.
The Word was God.
Hi Princess,
Hi Nick!
Yes some find beauty in religion.
Yes, beauty can be found in a lot of things.
Buildings, incense, rituals and music
Yes, but what good does it do in the end.
But is it relevant to the service of the God of Israel?
You are answering your own question Nick.
Partaking of the divine nature is only because the Spirit of the Father and the Son indwells and works through weak human vessels.
walk softly on this Nick, if there cannot be three gods, there cannot be three spirits. One source not many. How can you have such a great spirit and then turn around and call it weak? The spirit rules the flesh, what did I miss, some new teaching?
you’ll have to excuse me Kerwin, late night with paperwork. I had to search for your last post. Not up with the forums.
I cannot speak for the wicked but that is not how things work for the righteous. Instead the righteous change there view of God to be more like God as they learn more. They don’t only change their viewpoint of God but also change their own self to more like him in righteousness and holiness. If they lack the Spirit is remains an unsatisfied craving to become like him in true holiness and righteousness.
I have to admit Kerwin, that is the best change with times for religion paragraph I have ever read. When the viewpoint of God changes by man, then man changes the viewpoint of God?
BD is correct in some ways as Islam is a branch of the Abraham religion and so is Judaism though they are different branches. I am not even sure their prophet would support their anger at the Jews or for that matter non-Trinitarian Christians. He definitely preached anti-Triniarianism though even then he was not always antagonistic to the adherents of that religion.
You did it again! Perfect paragraph. I have not acquired an ear for his faith. I do find the history of the faith a bit interesting.
I have. The answer is a soul redeems a soul. Under the Law the soul of an animal redeemed the soul of a human being but Jesus provided a better thing the soul a truly righteous man. The first death was all that was necessary whether it is an animal or a human being. There is more to it but that answers your question.
Your scribe skills have improved greatly Kerwin. Kudo’s. Please expand I think it would be most interesting.
Hi Princess,
Jesus was the weak vessel spoken of in Is 42 and 53.
The power came with the anointing at the Jordan.
What do you believe qualified the Son to take away the sins of mankind?
He was and is a human that did not sin though tempted as we are.(Hebrews 4:15, Hebrews 2:14)
In addition his mercy led him to sacrifice himself for for the world, and the creatures within, to be free from corruption. (Hosea 6:6)
In that way he condemned the principles of this world of sin. (John 16:11)
The spirit and soul of the Son is what would have taken on flesh. The spirit and soul had always existed, imo.
I assume you are basing this claim on your interpretation of John 1:14. I disagree with that interpretation as logos simply means logos and is not a title for the Christ.
LU….By man sin entered the world, and by man it was atonned for. JESUS WAS THAT MAN, God the Father offered for a sacrifice for the sin of the whole world. GOD did not sacrifice another God morphed i to a human body, but brought forthe from the sons of Isreal a human Son by impregnating HIS MOTHER MARY. Jesus is the only human being ever begotten by GOD THE FATGER HIMSELF, THROUGH A BERTH PROCESS.
HE WAS A 100% COMPLETE HUMAN BEING, BRON EXACTLY AS ALL HUMANS ARE, HE DID NOT HAVE A PREXISTENCE PAST LIFE, HE CAME INTO “BEING” AT THE TIME OF HIS BERTH ON THIS EARTH.
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
LU…..Jesus told us he had a GOD, and that God was also our God as well as his GOD. SCRIPTURE SAY God is “not” a man, that he should lie or a son of man that he should repent. scripture also tells there is “one” God and “one” mediator between that “one” God , and man “the man” JESUS CHRIST.
Again you have a dilemma on your hands it appears, GOD SAID HE WAS NOT A SON OF MAN, AND JESUS SAID OVER 60 TIME HE WAS ASON OF MAN. How do you sort this out in yourmind , do you just ignore some of it, forgetting that it is even in our bible texts.
LU, JESUS IS NOT THE GOD WHO WAS IN HIM BY THE ANOUNTING SPIRIT or Christo’s, GIVEN HIM. Remember what JOHN SAID “little childern keep yourselves from IDOLS”, ANYONE WHO WORSHIPS JESUS AS A GOD OR MAKES ANOTHER GOD IS AN IDOLATAR. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Princess,
Evening Nick
Jesus was the weak vessel spoken of in Is 42 and 53.
He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
My god my god why has thou forsaken me! Pretty sure Jesus was a little zealous over the vendors in the streets outside his father church.
The power came with the anointing at the Jordan.
When Jesus received the holy spirit…or do you mean that is when he became god, god like, demi god status?
john 14 If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
50 thousand year old script- Now I depart from ye, know my commandments, keep them and be them, and I will be with you, helping & guiding your into the light.
What would make you think spirit would be so selfish?
*edited because copy and paste was much easier at one time.
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