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Quote Evolution. Not a global flood as depicted in the OT. Are you sure your god, mazda, even exits Kejonn? Has he done anything?
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 15 2008,10:09) Quote (Stu @ April 14 2008,21:23) The score then stands at Reality 2 – Biblical literalists 0. Next question:
What evidence is there that homosexuality is especially damaging?
Stuart
Stu,I have read that the rectum was not made to sustain the pressure and friction of sex. Along with that, there are “unclean” issues surrounding feces and infection. Also the rectum does not produce a natural body-signal lubrication for sex. Rectum's have been known to tear due to this lack of lubrication, also the wall of the rectum is thinner than that of the vagina. Besides that, I can't think of what would be damaging to the body.
I have also read that for some it is damaging to their mind, but these cases vary with respect to social and religious ideas.
Best explanation that I have ever heard. To unnatural. True.
Love Irene
Quote What evidence is there that homosexuality is especially damaging? A controversial U.S. government study, titled Report of the Secretary's Task Force on Youth Suicide, found that homosexual youth are two to three times more likely to attempt suicide than other young people. Several researchers suggest that bisexual and youth uncertain of their sexual orientation may be at higher risk for suicidal behavior than homosexual teenagers. Many homosexual teenagers who commit suicide may also suffer from mental illnesses or substance abuse disorders, making the connection more complicated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_suicideOf course, this is controversial, and even if it was true, it could just be because of the way they're treated.
Quote (david @ April 15 2008,07:35) Quote This thread is entitled “The Too Hard Basket, What biblical literalists can't explain”. It is not called “what biologists know”. Can you explain how the Kiwi got from Mt. Ararat to Auckland or not? stu, I thought you would actually enjoy injecting some science into this. But if there is no science to be injected, then what are you blabbering on about?
If you feel it's too much work for you to explain it scientifically, why should anyone else try? You should not demand more than you are willing to give yourself.
Please read the title of the thread. If you are not happy with it, you are free to start a new one.Stuart
Quote (david @ April 15 2008,07:40) Quote Not interested in 'proof of evolution of the species' (whatever on earth that is). Just want to know how biblical literalists explain the fossil record that shows changes in morphology of species over very long periods of time. The actual changes that happened would be explained much as you would explain them.
God created us and animals with the ability to adapt. Whereas you would say nature did it.
But the imaginary links between species for which there isn't any actual evidence for….
I might as well ask you what you would consider to be a false question as well:Stu, why don't you explain to us: If Jesus wasn't the Messiah, how do you explain all the miracles he did?
Of course, to you, he did no miracles, there is something very biased and wrong in the question itself, as there is in your question.david.
OK. Nothing new here. No explanation. Shall we move on?Stuart
Quote (david @ April 15 2008,07:44) Quote Can you explain how the Kiwi got from Mt. Ararat to Auckland or not? Stu, as of yet, there are a lot of things scientists cannot explain. That doesn't mean they're wrong or stupid. It simply means they don't have enough information yet.
While I can suggest several things, and can point out the assumptions that lead to what at first appears to be a conflict with the Bible, I cannot explain what I do not know. I can only provide possibilities.It seems very strange to me that you're not willing to attempt to support or explain how the scientists arrived at the dates they did.
david
Groundhog day. The bible makes a truth claim. You seem unable to defend it. That is fine, we know it is mythology.Stuart
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 15 2008,10:09) Quote (Stu @ April 14 2008,21:23) The score then stands at Reality 2 – Biblical literalists 0. Next question:
What evidence is there that homosexuality is especially damaging?
Stuart
Stu,I have read that the rectum was not made to sustain the pressure and friction of sex. Along with that, there are “unclean” issues surrounding feces and infection. Also the rectum does not produce a natural body-signal lubrication for sex. Rectum's have been known to tear due to this lack of lubrication, also the wall of the rectum is thinner than that of the vagina. Besides that, I can't think of what would be damaging to the body.
I have also read that for some it is damaging to their mind, but these cases vary with respect to social and religious ideas.
OK. So anal sex should be done with care. having discussed it in not much detail with a gay friend, I believe anal sex is not the primary focus of a male – male sexual relationship.It is the “damaging to the mind” bit that was of more interest I think. You hit the head on the nail about religious views. Homosexuality is damaging because bigots persecute gay people for what they do in private, trying at least to guilt trip them. Hardly a biblical justification though!
Stuart
Quote (942767 @ April 15 2008,14:02) Quote (Stu @ April 09 2008,18:58) There was mention of the Too Hard Basket in another thread. There are many very good questions that have been asked in these fora for which no one has produced a good answer. Science has a Very Hard Basket and a We Think It Could Be Impossible Basket but no 'Too Hard Basket'. First item:
How did the Kiwi get from Mt. Ararat to Auckland after the supposed flood?
Stuart
So, you tell us how the Kiwi got there.
The kiwi's ancestry and evolution is fascinating, but it is not relevant here. This is about questions that biblical literalists can't answer, and this question is one of those. Mt. Ararat is irrelevant to the history of the Kiwi, but the bible makes a truth claim about it which cannot be defended.Stuart
Quote (david @ April 15 2008,19:12) Quote What evidence is there that homosexuality is especially damaging? A controversial U.S. government study, titled Report of the Secretary's Task Force on Youth Suicide, found that homosexual youth are two to three times more likely to attempt suicide than other young people. Several researchers suggest that bisexual and youth uncertain of their sexual orientation may be at higher risk for suicidal behavior than homosexual teenagers. Many homosexual teenagers who commit suicide may also suffer from mental illnesses or substance abuse disorders, making the connection more complicated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_suicideOf course, this is controversial, and even if it was true, it could just be because of the way they're treated.
Absolutely, of course it is the way they are treated. The reservoir of hatred for young gay people is unquestionably religious in origin. It takes religion to make a good man do evil, to persecute someone for a private matter of no concern to anyone else.Stuart
Hi Stu,
You are right.
False religion leads to this evil fruit.Rom1
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,21:27) Hi Stu,
You are right.
False religion leads to this evil fruit.Rom1
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
So are you agreeing that there is no reason to suppose that homosexuality is damaging?Are we looking at Reality 3 – Biblical literalism 0 yet?
Stuart
Hi Stu,
You may win all the games and competitions you can imagine
but final reality comes eventually to all.
tick tockQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,21:59) Hi Stu,
You may win all the games and competitions you can imagine
but final reality comes eventually to all.
tick tock
OK. It's Reality 3 – Biblical fantasy world 0.Next question. Where to go next, there is so much material.
http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=07549
Where is the firmament, to which scripture says stars are attached, and which has windows that open to allow rain to fall? Why do spacecraft not require some special attachment to blast though this firmament?
Stuart
Hi Stu,
You may even be clever enough to rate your contest at 1000 to nil by the time you have to stand before the Master.We do not need to know too much and being too clever is often an obstacle.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2008,07:38) Hi Stu,
You may even be clever enough to rate your contest at 1000 to nil by the time you have to stand before the Master.We do not need to know too much and being too clever is often an obstacle.
3 – 0 is fine for now.Could be a long meeting if it will all be 'made clear' as you put it before. Of course if the bible is wrong in 1000 places then there is no reason to believe there will be such a meeting. unless voices have told you there will…
The firmament?
Stuart
Quote (charity @ April 15 2008,16:34) You know, perhaps you need to debate yourself, and that way you can’t lose 94
win the battle, but the wars still contuues
It has magnificent outcomes as you search the ins and outs of your own thoughts.
Hi Charity:I am not trying to win a debate. I know the truth, and so, I don't need to debate anyone. About the Kiwi, I don't know how it got to New Zealand, but apparently, somehow it did. I do know that my God is responsible for all of His creation.
Quote (942767 @ April 17 2008,13:42) Quote (charity @ April 15 2008,16:34) You know, perhaps you need to debate yourself, and that way you can’t lose 94
win the battle, but the wars still contuues
It has magnificent outcomes as you search the ins and outs of your own thoughts.
Hi Charity:I am not trying to win a debate. I know the truth, and so, I don't need to debate anyone. About the Kiwi, I don't know how it got to New Zealand, but apparently, somehow it did. I do know that my God is responsible for all of His creation.
so long as we do what we believe is true and right,
then that is accounted as righteousness to us 94
it doesn’t matter when we arive and are at end of the Law?
for you make your choices as a good person, only able to judge using the knowledge we have received.And what was wrong yesterday then may right to day
94 thank you so much for answering me; I only wish to be of help, if not then its better to ignore than absorb the God given energy to search from each other.
God thankyou for the Kiwi
Quote (942767 @ April 16 2008,20:42) Quote (charity @ April 15 2008,16:34) You know, perhaps you need to debate yourself, and that way you can’t lose 94
win the battle, but the wars still contuues
It has magnificent outcomes as you search the ins and outs of your own thoughts.
Hi Charity:I am not trying to win a debate. I know the truth, and so, I don't need to debate anyone. About the Kiwi, I don't know how it got to New Zealand, but apparently, somehow it did. I do know that my God is responsible for all of His creation.
But is your God accurately represented as Yahweh of the OT? Do you worship Yahweh, knowing what was written about him?
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