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terraricca,July wrote: [/quote] Pierre, Quote so what is your point © 2001 by David W. Daniels Question: What is wrong with the New King James Version (NKJV)? All it does is modernize the words of the King James Bible, right? Why should I read the King James and not the helpful New King James? Answer: The New King James is not a King James Bible. It changed thousands of words, ruined valuable verses, and when not agreeing with the King James Bible, it has instead copied the perverted NIV, NASV or RSV. And this you must know: those who translated the NKJV did not believe God perfectly preserved His words! I have gotten more letters on this question than almost any other. This is very important to those who want God's truth in the English language. I myself used the NKJV for a decade before I learned the truth about the preserved words of God. Here is some of what convinced me to switch to the King James Bible from the “New King James.”    Changed Words Means Changed Meanings    We know that Bible versions disagree on how to translate certain words. Here is an example: Is Jesus God's “Son” or God's “servant”? If He is God's Son, then we all need to listen to what He said! Changed words like this make a great deal of difference in how we understand a passage.        Loss of “thee” and “thou”        Please decide what God is saying to Moses:        “And the LORD said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws?” (Exodus 16:28, NKJV)        It looks like God is saying, “Moses, you are continuing to refuse to keep My commandments and My laws.” But look carefully at the accurate King James:        “And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?”        Now we understand! It was the people, not Moses, that God was upset with. “Ye” and “you” mean more than one person. “Thee,” “thou,” “thy,” “thine,” “doeth,” “hast,” etc., only mean one person. How do we know? The “y” is plural. The “t” is singular. Isn't that easy? Now you know what Jesus meant when He said to Nicodemus, “Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again” (John 3:7).        What Jesus said was, “Nicodemus, marvel not that I said unto thee, all of you need to be born again.” This is very important. Not only Nicodemus needed to be saved. But everybody, including him, needed to be born again. That's why Jesus used the plural.        But there is more of a problem than the thousands of times “thee” and “thou” are removed from God's words. What does a word mean? This is very important, as you shall see.        Go to Gehenna?        The NKJV claims to be “more accurate” because it leaves untranslated words like “Gehenna,” “Hades” and “Sheol.” What do they mean? You will know from the King James the exact meaning: “hell.” We know what that means. Meaning is very important. When's the last time you heard someone told to “Go to Gehenna”?        Which is correct?        The NKJV consistently uses terms that don't mean the same as in the King James Bible. Here are some examples:      King James Version New King James Version    2 Corinthians 2:17 “For we are not as many which corrupt the word of God” “peddling the word of God” (like the NIV, NASV and RSV)    Titus 3:10 “A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject” “Reject a divisive man” (like the NIV)    1 Thessalonians 5:22 “Abstain from all appearance of evil.” “Abstain from every form of evil.” (like the NAS, RSV and ASV)    Isaiah 66:5 “Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.” [This means that the LORD shall appear, which shall occur at the Second Coming of Christ.] “Hear the word of the LORD, you who tremble at His word: “Your brethren who hated you, who cast you out for My name's sake, said, 'Let the LORD be glorified, that we may see your joy.' But they shall be ashamed.” (Like the NIV, NASV, RSV and ASV, the Second Coming is wholly omitted from this scripture.)    Both translations cannot be correct. If one is right, the other has to be wrong. No matter how you slice it, the NKJV does not have the same meaning as the accurate King James Bible.    2. Changed Affections    There is a lot of evidence that the translators and publishers did not believe God preserved His words.        Thomas Nelson Publishers        The NKJV was translated and is printed under the watchful eye of Thomas Nelson Publishers. Here is part of a timeline they published.        1969        Sam Moore purchases Thomas Nelson Publishers, vowing to return it to its once proud place among the leading publishers of the world.        1976        Nelson initiates the creation of a new Bible translation–The New King James Version.        1980's        Nelson reclaims its place as a premier publisher of Bibles and Christian Books, expands into international markets, and establishes Markings® as Nelson's Gift division.        It is clear the NKJV made Thomas Nelson Publishers a lot of money. Did a King James-type Bible renew their hearts to God? Note the following facts:            They are also the publishers of the American Standard Version, the American revision of Westcott and Hort's perverted English Revised Version.            They are also the publishers of the Revised Standard Version, the revision of the American Standard.            To this day they continue to sell at least six Bible perversions. The NKJV was just one moneymaker that helped Nelson “reclaim its place” as a major publisher.            The NKJV repeats the lie that “There is only one basic New Testament used by Protestants, Roman Catholics, and Orthodox, by conservatives and liberals.” In fact, there are two: the perverted Alexandrian line that was continued by the Roman Catholic religion and the preserved, apostolic, Antiochian line that progresses from the Christians at Antioch of Syria (Acts 11:26) to our precious King James Bible.        The New King James translators        Marion H. Reynolds Jr. of the Fundamental Evangelistic Association reveals a little-known fact:            “The duplicity of the NKJV scholars is also a matter for concern. Although each scholar was asked to subscribe to a statement confirming his belief in the plenary, divine, verbal inspiration of the original autographs (none of which exist today), the question of whether or not they also believed in the divine preservation of the divinely inspired originals was not an issue as it should have been. Dr. Arthur Farstad, chairman of the NKJV Executive Review Committee which had the responsibility of final text approval, stated that this committee was about equally divided as to which was the better Greek New Testament text-the Textus Receptus or the Westcott-Hort. Apparently none of them believed that either text was the Divinely preserved Word of God. Yet, all of them participated in a project to “protect and preserve the purity and accuracy” of the original KJV based on the TR. Is not this duplicity of the worst kind, coming from supposedly evangelical scholars?”        Not “the real thing”        What Mr. Reynolds points out is very important to understand. There were basically two groups of translators working on the NKJV. One half believed that the perverted 45 Alexandrian manuscripts, from which came the Roman Catholic Bibles and the modern perversions, were better than the manuscripts behind the King James. The other group believed the thousands of manuscripts supporting the King James were better. This is a big problem: No one believed that they held God's words in their hands, only a “better” or “worse” text! The translators believed they had something close, but not an accurate Bible. It is a sad thing when a Bible translator doesn't even believe he has God's words in his hands. It sounds like they don't believe God kept His promise:            Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. (Mark 13:31)        Perhaps that is why some of them had no problem working on other perversions, both before and after working on the NKJV. This is so unlike the 54+ Bible men who faithfully translated the King James Bible from preserved manuscripts of God's words. The difference between the King James and the “New” King James is the difference between day and night. Compromising God's Words Many Christians are discovering the miracle of God's words in English. But the enemy has tried to insert a monkey-wrench: the NKJV. Pastors approve it, “scholars” promote it, but the NKJV is a wolf in sheep's clothing. The New King James is just a compromise between the liberal, perverted Bible versions floating around and the rock-solid, accurate and preserved words of God, the King James Bible. Brothers and sisters, don't settle for anything less than God's words.

devo

should we not then learn ancien Greek ???what would be closer that the Old English version of KJV

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ July 30 2012,05:28) Quote (Wakeup @ July 30 2012,10:01) Quote (terraricca @ July 30 2012,01:44) Quote (Wakeup @ July 30 2012,07:42) Quote (terraricca @ July 30 2012,00:00) wakeup Quote Terra. Daniel was very clear when he says; And I watch till the thrones (as many,not one)were cast down; and the ancient of days did sit(in the kingdom). So before the kingdom is set up; all the thrones must be cast down first.(babylon no more). wakeup. what scripture do you talking about Terra. Dan.7:9. And I watch till the thrones(thrones as many) were cast down,and the ancient of days did sit(sit in his throne)— wakeup. wakeup Da 7:9 “As I looked, “thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze. what he saw was the thrones (power) was set in place  to the 144k,and the Ancient of days (christ) Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 1CO 6:2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? 1CO 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life? Terra. Cast down(destroyed). not set in place. And the ancient of days(Jesus) did sit.(in his throne),just one throne,not many thrones. This is why I dont use these new translations,as you know mankind has become more wicked. wakeup. wake up show me in “strong” and in the r@mah (Aramaic) hmr r@mah (Aramaic) Pronunciation: rem-aw' Origin: corresponding to 07411 Reference: TWOT – 2997 PrtSpch: verb In Hebrew: amrty 4, amrml 2, anymr 1, wmrw 1, wmr 1, Nwmrtt 1, wymr 1, wymrw 1 In NET: thrown into 7, impose 1, set up 1, throw them into 1, thrown 1, threw 1 In AV: cast 10, impose 1, cast down 1 Count: 12 Definition: 1) to cast, throw 1a) (P'al) 1a1) to cast 1a2) to throw 1a2a) of tribute (fig) 1b) (Peil) 1b1) to be cast 1b2) to be placed, be set 1c) (Ithp'el) to be cast ——————————————————————————– (Aramaic) corresponding to 7411; to throw, set, (figuratively) assess:-cast (down), impose. see HEBREW for 07411 you have to do better than the KJV; the NKJV ;As I watched, thrones were set in place, and an Ancient One took his throne, his clothing was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames, and its wheels were burning fire. so what is your point Terra. As you can see that interpretation contradict the image in Daniel; when the stone from heaven will crush the whole image to dust.then Christ will set up his kingdom.(the ancient of days did sit).(in charge). Equal to;  when the thrones wer CAST DOWN(all kingdoms destroyed). to ashes (not thrones were set). I dont care what those smart intelects are trying to say,if it is contradictory it is a no,no. you have to watch them. Have a good look before you put down the kjv.(your choice). wakeup. w

wakeup

I believe that the KJV is wrong here and should be “set up”

I believe that the translators figure it just like you do now ,” because the stone make the statue crumbled it should be :cast down, but this is not what is true to what it really meant ,

but you are free to believe it ,I will not change that ,only disagree with you on it ,and stay friendly

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ July 29 2012,14:24) wakeup Quote The question again; one more time: If we are in the kingdom of God now for 2000years already; why then is God going to send us great delusions. And why does it say in 2Tim 3.that in the last days things are getting so bad; read it for your self. Is Christ not fit to be a ruler?  Is he incapable. WAITING. Quote So my question is; how come; when we suppose to be in the kingdom for 2000years now? who says so JN 12:32 “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men(true believers) to Myself.” MT 24:9 “ Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. Mt 5:3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mt 5:4 Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Mt 5:6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. Mt 5:7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. Mt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. Mt 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God. Mt 5:10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mt 5:11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Mt 5:12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. all the above words of Christ are addressed to the 144k that will be redeemed from the earth Mt 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven. if a true disciple of Christ make a new disciple He bring that disciple to God and his son ,because all their deeds are made for the glory of God and his son ,so religion can not do this because they serve themselves first and do not deliver the light . each one of those verses can turn into a question ;like verse 8; what is having a pure heart LK 11:2 And He said to them, “ When you pray, say: ‘ Father, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. REV 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. to my understanding the setup of the kingdom was when Christ died because then he had become the Lord of lords and King of kings ,but this was not THE KINGDOM ,many things have to be come trough yet ,and the number of the brothers of Christ have to be complete ,and the ones that are of Christ who have believe in the words of his disciples as also be saved ,and the time set by God as to be there , REV 17:17 “For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled. Terra. Daniel was very clear when he says; And I watch till the thrones (as many,not one)were cast down; and the ancient of days did sit(in the kingdom). So before the kingdom is set up; all the thrones must be cast down first.(babylon no more). wakeup.

wakeup

the scriptures are the words of God of what he intend to bring forward, but hided ,in a way that only true believers can receive from him the true meaning of it ,

so scriptures are written first for GODS PEOPLE to let them know were they are in Gods time ,the world of men is just used as milestone on the way.

[Wakeup]

Terra.

I agree with that statement of yours.

wakeup.

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Pierre,

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should we not then learn ancien Greek ???what would be closer that the Old English version of KJV

© 2001 by David W. Daniels

Question: Why shouldn't I just read the Greek and Hebrew? Why should I use the King James translation?

Answer: It is important that people in each generation learn and read the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts, but there is also a danger some may face in this.

Why to Learn Greek and Hebrew

As questions arise, each generation of believers needs to have Greek and Hebrew scholars that can look at the broad evidence of history. God uses history to testify that He kept His promise: God has indeed preserved His words.

The Danger

The problem is that many people think that a year or two of Greek or Hebrew qualifies them to translate their own Bibles. But they forget that in numerous languages, there are many words that can have one or more meanings, depending on the context. What they really do, though is take a dictionary or lexicon and pick whatever meaning they feel is right. But those who translated the King James Bible knew the Greek and Hebrew, like you or I might know the English language.

The following actually happened:

Shortly after the King James was translated, one of the translators, Dr. Kilbye, an expert in Hebrew and Greek, visited a church with his friend, Bishop Sanderson. In that church a young preacher spent a great deal of time criticizing words in the KJV and telling what he thought the Bible should say. He used up most of his time on one particular word.

That evening the young preacher was invited to dinner, along with Dr. Kilbye. Dr. Kilbye then told how they had looked at the three reasons given by the preacher, but then found thirteen better reasons to translate the word as it is.

This preacher (with more humility than most modern critics) admitted his error to the learned doctor and stopped preaching at that church.

The King James Bible was translated by people who were experts in the Hebrew and Greek. They reviewed every verse of the Bible fourteen times, and had to come to agreement on every word they used. This guaranteed that the Bible didn't just have some person's opinion in the text, like many modern perversions.

The King James Bible is God's expression in the English language, of His preserved words. He preserved them from the creation of the world to the present day. All of my Greek and Hebrew studies to this day have shown me that I can trust what God preserved in the King James Bible.

[terraricca]

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terraricca,July wrote: [/quote] Pierre, Quote should we not then learn ancien Greek ???what would be closer that the Old English version of KJV © 2001 by David W. Daniels Question: Why shouldn't I just read the Greek and Hebrew? Why should I use the King James translation? Answer: It is important that people in each generation learn and read the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts, but there is also a danger some may face in this. Why to Learn Greek and Hebrew As questions arise, each generation of believers needs to have Greek and Hebrew scholars that can look at the broad evidence of history. God uses history to testify that He kept His promise: God has indeed preserved His words. The Danger The problem is that many people think that a year or two of Greek or Hebrew qualifies them to translate their own Bibles. But they forget that in numerous languages, there are many words that can have one or more meanings, depending on the context. What they really do, though is take a dictionary or lexicon and pick whatever meaning they feel is right. But those who translated the King James Bible knew the Greek and Hebrew, like you or I might know the English language. The following actually happened: Shortly after the King James was translated, one of the translators, Dr. Kilbye, an expert in Hebrew and Greek, visited a church with his friend, Bishop Sanderson. In that church a young preacher spent a great deal of time criticizing words in the KJV and telling what he thought the Bible should say. He used up most of his time on one particular word. That evening the young preacher was invited to dinner, along with Dr. Kilbye. Dr. Kilbye then told how they had looked at the three reasons given by the preacher, but then found thirteen better reasons to translate the word as it is. This preacher (with more humility than most modern critics) admitted his error to the learned doctor and stopped preaching at that church. The King James Bible was translated by people who were experts in the Hebrew and Greek. They reviewed every verse of the Bible fourteen times, and had to come to agreement on every word they used. This guaranteed that the Bible didn't just have some person's opinion in the text, like many modern perversions. The King James Bible is God's expression in the English language, of His preserved words. He preserved them from the creation of the world to the present day. All of my Greek and Hebrew studies to this day have shown me that I can trust what God preserved in the King James Bible.

spin,

[Wakeup]

Are we still discussing the prophesies or are we going astray to some other subjects?
Are we being lead away?

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Are we still discussing the prophesies or are we going astray to some other subjects? Are we being lead away? wakeup.

wakeup

did we solve Daniel 7;9 ?? set up , for, cast down

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,15:00) Are we still discussing the prophesies or are we going astray to some other subjects? Are we being lead away? wakeup. wakeup did we solve Daniel 7;9 ?? set up , for, cast down

Terra.

Set up is the OPPOSITE to cast down. Its your choice.
But cast down is in harmony with the destruction of all the kingdoms at the coming; NOT, to set up all the kingdoms.
THE IMAGE WILL BE DESTROYED TO ASHES BY THE STONE,NOT BUILD.

Jesus will set up his kingdom.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ July 31 2012,08:39) Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,15:00) Are we still discussing the prophesies or are we going astray to some other subjects? Are we being lead away? wakeup. wakeup did we solve Daniel 7;9 ?? set up , for, cast down Terra. Set up is the OPPOSITE to cast down. Its your choice. But cast down is in harmony with the destruction of all the kingdoms at the coming; NOT, to set up all the kingdoms. THE IMAGE WILL BE DESTROYED TO ASHES BY THE STONE,NOT BUILD. Jesus will set up his kingdom. wakeup.

wakeup

I have explain it to you ,so if we disagree on this ,there is no need to go any further in our discussion because this understanding in Daniel 7;9 his like black and white so our discussion will end here ,my friend

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,16:36) Quote (terraricca @ July 31 2012,08:39) Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,15:00) Are we still discussing the prophesies or are we going astray to some other subjects? Are we being lead away? wakeup. wakeup did we solve Daniel 7;9 ?? set up , for, cast down Terra. Set up is the OPPOSITE to cast down. Its your choice. But cast down is in harmony with the destruction of all the kingdoms at the coming; NOT, to set up all the kingdoms. THE IMAGE WILL BE DESTROYED TO ASHES BY THE STONE,NOT BUILD. Jesus will set up his kingdom. wakeup. wakeup I have explain it to you ,so if we disagree on this ,there is no need to go any further in our discussion because this understanding in Daniel  7;9 his like black and white so our discussion will end here ,my friend

Now I am waiting for your explanation of Daniel 7:7—>—>27.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

why we are in disagreement and you know that I believe that the kingdom is set up and not cast down,either you do research and stop hanging on version of scriptures but see if what is true no matter what ,

[journey42]

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why we are in disagreement and you know that I believe that the kingdom is set up and not cast down,either you do research and stop hanging on version of scriptures but see if what is true no matter what ,

Pierre,

Why are you fighting God?
You say you only listen to God, and not men?
You are trusting in those men that changed and subtly reworded certain words of the bible.
Their words change the whole meaning of many verses. They turn it upside down. This is the inspiration of the devil. Can you not see how he likes to corrupt everything that is true, and that comes from God?
It's his mission.

You didn't find out for yourself the history of these publishers, it was handed to you on a silver platter.
Yet you ignore?
You also ignore that they are making lots of money out of these new bibles?
You are defending this new version by men?
Come on Pierre, this is what it means to worship in spirit and in truth, not be ignorant. We are showing you something here.

[Ed J]

Hi Georgie,

Thomas Nelson also publishes the “AKJV Bible”; are you not aware of this fact?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

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Pierre, Why are you fighting God?

Hi Georgie,

How is Pierre fighting God?       …please do tell

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[journey42]

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Hi Georgie, Thomas Nelson also publishes the “AKJV Bible”; are you not aware of this fact? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Edj

I'm looking into my KJV and it says it was published by Holman Bible Publishers.
Of course it had to be published by someone, they are still making merchandise out of God's word without a doubt.

Now can you answer me this?
What is the difference between the KJV and the AKJV?
Would it be the fact that words of Christ are highlighted in Red? and that it is a reprint with reference scriptures on the side? If so, are there words changed?
Because Wakeup's KJV uses the word “holpen” where mine says “helped”.
We read together out loud, and this is the only discrepancy I can find.
I threw out my new king james, as it left out something very important in the old testament, so I cannot rely on it.

[Ed J]

Hi Georgie,

There are many differences.
I have some videos you can watch…   here

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ July 31 2012,11:12) why we are in disagreement and you know that I believe that the kingdom is set up and not cast down,either you do research and stop hanging on version of scriptures but see if what is true no matter what , Pierre, Why are you fighting God? You say you only listen to God, and not men? You are trusting in those men that changed and subtly reworded certain words of the bible. Their words change the whole meaning of many verses.  They turn it upside down.  This is the inspiration of the devil.  Can you not see how he likes to corrupt everything that is true, and that comes from God? It's his mission. You didn't find out for yourself the history of these publishers, it was handed to you on a silver platter.   Yet you ignore? You also ignore that they are making lots of money out of these new bibles? You are defending this new version by men? Come on Pierre, this is what it means to worship in spirit and in truth, not be ignorant.  We are showing you something here.

J42

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You are trusting in those men that changed and subtly reworded certain words of the bible.

MT 6:30 “But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith!

Mt 16:15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
Mt 16:16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Mt 16:17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.

2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.
2Co 9:9 As it is written:
“He has scattered abroad his gifts to the poor;
his righteousness endures forever.”

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Come on Pierre, this is what it means to worship in spirit and in truth, not be ignorant. We are showing you something here.

is it

[Wakeup]

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why we are in disagreement and you know that I believe that the kingdom is set up and not cast down,either you do research and stop hanging on version of scriptures but see if what is true no matter what ,

Terra.

Dan.7:9. I BEHELD UNTILL THE THRONES WERE CAST DOWN;
AND THE ACIENTOF DAYS DID SIT.(why thrones)?(what thrones)?

DAN7:12. AS CONCERNING THE REST OF THE BEASTS,THEY HAD THEIR DOMINION –TAKEN AWAY–;(NOT BUILD, OR SET UP) YET THEIR LIVES WERE PROLONGED FOR A SEASON AND TIME.

The dreadfull beast was destroyed but the rest of the beasts.

What rest of the beasts? The other kingdoms; will be saved but their dominion are taken away;(no more power).

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ July 31 2012,11:12) why we are in disagreement and you know that I believe that the kingdom is set up and not cast down,either you do research and stop hanging on version of scriptures but see if what is true no matter what , Terra. Dan.7:9. I BEHELD UNTILL THE THRONES WERE CAST DOWN; AND THE ACIENTOF DAYS DID SIT.(why thrones)?(what thrones)? DAN7:12. AS CONCERNING THE REST OF THE BEASTS,THEY HAD THEIR DOMINION –TAKEN AWAY–;(NOT BUILD, OR SET UP) YET THEIR LIVES WERE PROLONGED FOR A SEASON AND TIME. The dreadfull beast was destroyed but the rest of the beasts. What rest of the beasts?  The other kingdoms; will be saved but their dominion are taken away;(no more power). wakeup.

wakeup

you are making the world kingdoms more predominant than Gods kingdom,

the setup HIS OF GODS KINGDOM ,AND HIS KING JESUS CHRIST ,THE ROCK THAT FALLS DOWN FROM THE MOUNTAIN OF GOD HIS CHRIST ,IT MEANS THAT WHEN CHRIST CAME THE KINGDOM WAS NEAR WHEN HE DIED THE KINGDOM WAS SET UP BUT THOSE WHO RECEIVE A THRONE TO JUDGE ALL OF CREATION (ANGELS AND MEN ) 144K,

THE WORLD POWERS ,REMEMBER ARE JUST A BARE GUIDE LINE
TO UNDERSTAND WERE WE ARE .

AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD WAS SET UP IN THE REIGN OF THE FOURTH BEAST (ROME)THE FACT THAT IT KILLS CHRIST IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THIS IS HOW GOD USES THE WORLD POWERS TO ACCOMPLISH HIS WILL,

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