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Hi all,It would be helpful to all to understand that I post concerning the things I see need correction
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Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.Quote (Resting @ Nov. 11 2013,06:53)
The third who came through the fire are the early church, and the term is still used in Rev. to refer to the churches howbeit in apostacy by then.
Although we know that the christian gentiles have and will go through persecution, the prophecy in Zechariah 13:9 is referring to Israel's persecution in the last days.This is how the chapter opens up, and who it is referring to;
Zech 13:1 In “that day” there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.Zech 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace, and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have piereced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Zech 12:11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Meggido.
Zech 13:2 And it shall come to pass “in that day” , saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols “out of the land”, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass “out of the land”.
This “land” talked about here is where the kingdom area will be. Israel, but will be called Jerusalem. It will be cleaned out of all things that offend, and will now be holy.
Zech 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
2 thirds of Israel's population will be killed in the last days. One third will survive.Zech 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
The above is talking to Israel. The inhabitants of Jerusalem. The remnant. Survivors.
To be put through the fire in this instance, is to suffer persecution. They are not suffering because they have kept the Lords words, but are being punished by God himself for their disobedience. They have polluted God's name and punishment on the whole world comes, starting with them.
Quote Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mat 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
This baptising with fire (the holy spirit), is not the same as being put through the fire.
When the wheat is gathered into the barn, this is referring to those who will take part in the first resurrection at the coming. The chaff that will be burn't is those who have come into the kingdom and spread lies, deceit etc. claiming they are on God's side, but pollute the truth. These ones will be taken out. The ones that polluted the truth. The wolves in sheep's clothing who lead the flock astray.Quote Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction
This is when God will have mercy on them, during their affliction (punishment) and will Christ will stop that war there in Israel (Armageddon)Quote You seem to only see Jews of the flesh turning to Christ or being refined.
No I don't. The gentile christians will be refined and put through the fire also in the last days. But Zechariah chapter 13 is specifically speaking of Israel.Quote The Bible does not support that and in fact it is the delusion of the world that the Jews are Gods people and that He owes them something.
The Jews believe that, but it is not according to the truth, but according to pride, for they have no idea what God is going to put them through and what is coming upon their nation. They think they are protected by God and no harm can come to them. They will get a big shock.The true followers of Christ (gentiles) will receive the promise, and will be quickened & resurrected at the coming. The Jews, God will have mercy on for he will stop that war in Armageddon at the very end (the coming), and then he will have mercy on them, only after he has punished them, but they have to come through Christ now, and be taught in the flesh, therefore they missed out on the first resurrection, but will have the saints ruling over them. They will be living in the kingdom, but have not inherited it yet.
Quote This is how the chapter opens up, and who it is referring to;
Zech 13:1 In “that day” there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.The fountain is the Spirit through Christ which was opened up 2000 years ago and the elect began to drink of it on the day of Pentecost.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blindedQuote Zech 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace, and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have piereced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Zech 12:11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Meggido.
They did this in Acts ch 2 oneward–
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Act 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.Quote Zech 13:2 And it shall come to pass “in that day” , saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols “out of the land”, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass “out of the land”. This “land” talked about here is where the kingdom area will be. Israel, but will be called Jerusalem. It will be cleaned out of all things that offend, and will now be holy.
They were all cut off in 70 Ad onward.
Quote Zech 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
2 thirds of Israel's population will be killed in the last days. One third will survive.The one third is a term for the church resulting upon the judgments upon Israel through the early church prophets and Romes destructions.
Quote Zech 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God. No. This refers to the church which included the believers of Israel. The church began with Israel.–
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.Quote The above is talking to Israel. The inhabitants of Jerusalem. The remnant. Survivors. To be put through the fire in this instance, is to suffer persecution. They are not suffering because they have kept the Lords words, but are being punished by God himself for their disobedience. They have polluted God's name and punishment on the whole world comes, starting with them.
The fire of the prophets of the early church was too hot for any correcting of unbelievers, the wicked were burnt.
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Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mat 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.The wheat is saved but the chaff is burnt and not corrected.
Quote This baptising with fire (the holy spirit), is not the same as being put through the fire.
When the wheat is gathered into the barn, this is referring to those who will take part in the first resurrection at the coming. The chaff that will be burn't is those who have come into the kingdom and spread lies, deceit etc. claiming they are on God's side, but pollute the truth. These ones will be taken out. The ones that polluted the truth. The wolves in sheep's clothing who lead the flock astray.The word of those baptized with the Holy Spirit is the fire.
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Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of afflictionThis is when God will have mercy on them, during their affliction (punishment) and will Christ will stop that war there in Israel (Armageddon)
The Armageddon event is too late.
Christians are chosen in the furnace of affliction–
2Th 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
2Th 1:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the k
ingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:Quote
“You seem to only see Jews of the flesh turning to Christ or being refined. “No I don't. The gentile christians will be refined and put through the fire also in the last days. But Zechariah chapter 13 is specifically speaking of Israel.
No. God has one people in one covenant and has one King over them. They are the elect Israel of the Bible.
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“The Bible does not support that and in fact it is the delusion of the world that the Jews are Gods people and that He owes them something. “The Jews believe that, but it is not according to the truth, but according to pride, for they have no idea what God is going to put them through and what is coming upon their nation. They think they are protected by God and no harm can come to them. They will get a big shock.
The true followers of Christ (gentiles) will receive the promise, and will be quickened & resurrected at the coming. The Jews, God will have mercy on for he will stop that war in Armageddon at the very end (the coming), and then he will have mercy on them, only after he has punished them, but they have to come through Christ now, and be taught in the flesh, therefore they missed out on the first resurrection, but will have the saints ruling over them. They will be living in the kingdom, but have not inherited it yet. [/B]
The millennium is strictly Christians of all nations.
The mortal children of Zion are the children of the elect lady.
When Israel of the flesh (and that nation in the middle east is not Gods Israel) turn to God then they become Christians.
The Israel of the OT consisted of men from all nations who believed and came into that covenant to become Israelites themselves.
The same occurs under the new covenant today.
There is yet to come the true gathering of Gods children Israel.
Let me remind that Jacob was a believer, not an unbeliever, and Jacobs trouble refers to believers, not unbelievers in order to cause them to believe.
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Hi Resting,
I appreciate you giving your reasons why you disagree, and this way, I can know where you are coming from, and see how others interpret these scriptures.Resting,Nov. wrote:[/quote]
Quote This is how the chapter opens up, and who it is referring to;
Zech 13:1 In “that day” there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.Quote The fountain is the Spirit through Christ which was opened up 2000 years ago and the elect began to drink of it on the day of Pentecost.
“To the house of David…and to…the “inhabitants of Jerusalem.”There is not doubt there that God is speaking to the Jews. The day of Pentecost was “open day” for the “gentiles” as many heard them speak in their own language. This was the start of a new era, …salvation to the gentiles, because the Jews rejected God, and killed their Messiah.
The Jews who witnessed this said “are they not all mad?” So I could hardly call this “a day” where a “fountain” could be opened for them, for the fountain is the feeding of truth,
and I would hardly call the gentiles “House of David, and “inhabitants of Jerusalem” because there were many men there from other nations.Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
If you want to call the Jews “the house of David” then it still doesn't fit, because both groups are being fed this same fountain at the same time,… “In that day”….
and we know the apostles were Jews who testified of Christ, and it started from them, and they had their[/] disciples, but Israel as a whole nation rejected them that were sent and caused their deaths also by spreading hate and lies.So it doesn't fit so far.
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Quote The fountain is the Spirit through Christ which was opened up 2000 years ago and the elect began to drink of it on the day of Pentecost. Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blindedThe mention of grace doesn't make the message about Christians here.
Verse 7 in the above is not saying what is commonly believed either.
Look at the last comment, “and the rest were blinded”.
What “rest were blinded”?
Unbelieving Israel were.
So who is the below directed at?Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Even then, the rest of Israel did not believe.
So this is still directed at the unbelieving Jews…at them, and not at the believing ones.
We continue…Romans 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Romans 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Still aimed at the unbelieving Jews!
Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
These fallen ones can't be believers, don't forget that God is still speaking about this group: and the rest were blinded….He is still addressing unbelieving Israel here.
Not about converted Jews.
We continue…Romans 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Again, speaking about fallen Israel…”the rest”, not about believing Israel…so while the Gentiles are coming in, those Jews are still in unbelief.
As it still is today.Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Romans 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Speaking about saving some of THEM.
THEM being fallen Israel.
Still speaking about those blinded ones.Romans 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
God is still speaking about them here, the subject has not changed all this time, still speaking about unbelieving Israel here.
NOT about Christians at all.
Israel is still in a state of rejection by God even today.
God has not yet received them because they are STILL in a state of disbelief in Christ.
Israel, them, that group, still have not yet been received by God even today.
But it is coming.We have to remember:
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
This IS a mystery after all.
Again notice God is speaking about blind Israel…them, fallen Israel, God still intends to show grace towards them when it is time…His time.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
When who will be saved?
All Israel, that very same unbelieving group God has just been talking about in those previous verses!!
That group who still did not accept Christ even to that day…even after pentecost
That group.
This is a mystery remember…This is yet to come.
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
which them?
Unbelieving Israel of course, who we have been reading about all these verses! Unbelieving even after Pentecost, even till today…that group!Am i sure?….
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Most definitely, because they are even today enemies of the GOSPEL
So to sum it up, how J42 used those scriptures were actually scripturally sound and in context.
This was about the still unreceived and unbelieving Israelites being the enemy of the GOSPEL who will one day in the near future receive GRACE…So we see it was never about Christians of yesterday.
Thank you.
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Quote Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
The remnant according to grace was at “that time also”, as there are remnants from every generation except from the generation that came out of Egypt.Hebrews 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Hebrews 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest (millennium)If that generation will not enter his rest, then there are generations of them that will. This will be during the 1000 years.
I'm not sure where you're coming from? because I would and have used Romans to back up what I'm saying.
This “election” means that there a chosen Israelites, and it's these “chosen” that will make up “the whole house of Israel.”
It's these chosen ones that will have mercy given to them, from all generations, and is the message of what we are trying to say.
They are given Mercy. It is not of works. God has chosen them for his reasons to finish what he started for his own names sake. They will be a model nation. A perfect example of a nation who's rebellion caused them shame and oppression, and a perfect example of God punishing them with love, just like you would a naughty child, then still having that unconditional love and the patience to correct for the child's sake. It's done out of love, and they will be corrected and see their mistake, and then they will worship the Father like they were supposed to in the beginning, and the blessings will be there for them, for all to see, and this will take place during the thousand years;Jeremiah 31:28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the Lord.
and they will know Christ, and will know that he is the Son of God ….for no man can enter the kingdom now unless he go through Jesus Christ…and this includes them now also, even those who were born before Christ.
They have to feed first and grow just like you and me and be filled with the holy spirit, for this is a requirement needed by all to be quickened and resurrected. Christ is the door. There's a new covenant, and they have to go by that covenant now also, and will be taught it.Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
You could say to me, “that already happened when Christ died and was risen”
And I would say, ok, then read the next verse and tell me honestly, …has this happened to Israel? Because these scriptures are speaking of them and not the gentiles.Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
There's another example here of the remnant (elect)
1Kings 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Romans 11:6 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.The rest of the Jews includes the wicked and the proud, these ones were blinded, and these are the ones who think that God is for them no matter what, but will be in for a surprise when they are not chosen, but only those who are handpicked, will be saved and from the scripture above, we get a clue that even though the elect are saved by grace, and not of works, they did not serve or bow down to any other God.
Quote (Resting @ Nov. 12 2013,06:27) Journey and Devolution. You seem to have something in your mind about Israel that God does not.
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Resting.Jeremiah 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
Jeremiah 23:4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Jeremiah 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jeremiah 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 12 2013,09:06) Quote (Resting @ Nov. 12 2013,06:27) Journey and Devolution. You seem to have something in your mind about Israel that God does not.
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Resting.Jeremiah 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
Jeremiah 23:4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Jeremiah 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jeremiah 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
wakeup.
I have read some of your posts and see you also believe in two Households of God with one being Jew and Gentile and the other being only Jew.God does not plan it or see it that way.
Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.Res.
Quote (Resting @ Nov. 12 2013,11:12) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 12 2013,09:06) Quote (Resting @ Nov. 12 2013,06:27) Journey and Devolution. You seem to have something in your mind about Israel that God does not.
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Resting.Jeremiah 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
Jeremiah 23:4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Jeremiah 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jeremiah 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
wakeup.
I have read some of your posts and see you also believe in two Households of God with one being Jew and Gentile and the other being only Jew.God does not plan it or see it that way.
Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.Res.
Resting.1.At the coming the saints only will be resurrected
Meaning,all the true worshippers(christians).
I'm sure you agree.2.The jews *not in Christ* will not be resurrected.
3.The saints will rule with Christ for a thousand years.
Rule over–whom/what/where?4.What will happen to the jews? In the meantime?
5. Where do you fit Isaiah 11:6–11. and 65:17–25.
Flesh living in paradise where the lion eats straw.
6.The white throne judgement is for Jews and all gentiles
of all generations.(past and present).wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 12 2013,15:28) Quote 1.At the coming the saints only will be resurrected
Meaning,all the true worshippers(christians).
I'm sure you agree.Yes.
Quote 2.The jews *not in Christ* will not be resurrected. True.
Quote 3.The saints will rule with Christ for a thousand years.
Rule over–whom/what/where?All nations.
Quote 4.What will happen to the jews? In the meantime? The believers among them will become Christians and the unbelievers of them are beast worshippers so they will be destroyed.
Quote 5. Where do you fit Isaiah 11:6–11. and 65:17–25.
Flesh living in paradise where the lion eats straw.Same time you do, beginning in Israel and extending.
Quote 6.The white throne judgement is for Jews and all gentiles
of all generations.(past and present).Yes.
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Quote (Resting @ Nov. 12 2013,17:57) Wakeup,Nov. wrote:[/quote]
Quote 1.At the coming the saints only will be resurrected
Meaning,all the true worshippers(christians).
I'm sure you agree.Yes.
Quote 2.The jews *not in Christ* will not be resurrected. True.
Quote 3.The saints will rule with Christ for a thousand years.
Rule over–whom/what/where?All nations.
Quote 4.What will happen to the jews? In the meantime? The believers among them will become Christians and the unbelievers of them are beast worshippers so they will be destroyed.
Quote 5. Where do you fit Isaiah 11:6–11. and 65:17–25.
Flesh living in paradise where the lion eats straw.Same time you do, beginning in Israel and extending.
Quote 6.The white throne judgement is for Jews and all gentiles
of all generations.(past and present).Yes.
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Resting.Your short answers with all confidence,
sound like beautiful music to my ears.
You have got the picture,just some tidying.
Trimming the edges.1. The resurrected saints have inherited heaven and earth.
They rule with Christ,over jews and gentile kings.
2. The jews only: in the kingdom will be taught Chist,
and they also will teach the gentiles outside.
3.Many also will accept Christ,and teach others.
4.Many also will still reject Christ,and live their lives
as they always have done.
5. Every year the christian gentiles,
will be invited in; to celebrate the feast of tabernacles.
Zech. 14:16—21.
6.The kings of the gentiles,have their kingdoms,
but their dominions are taken away.
7.
Daniel 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.8. Season and time=1000years plus time.
9. Then satan will be let loose to do the sifting,
seperating the none believers from the believers.
10.He will gather them to surround the camp of the saints.
This is the battle of gog and magog.
11. Fire will come down from heaven,from God
to destroy them all. Satan and his angels cast in the fire.
12. Death now, is conquered.
13. Now comes the 2nd resurrection of all people,
of all generations; the sheep will be put on the right;
and the goats on the left.
14. The goats will be cast in the fire,where satan and his
angels are.
15. The sheep will be changed/quickened.
16.The earth will be melted,to be purified,and the heavens
will be rolled up as a scroll.
17. New heavens and new earth.
18. God himself will come down to earth.(God all in all).
(rev.21:3) (rev.22:40.Greetings.
wakeup.Wakeup,
Who are these people in your view?
Zep 3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
Zep 3:14 Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.
Zep 3:15 The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.
Zep 3:16 In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack.
Zep 3:17 The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.
Zep 3:18 I will gather them that are sorrowful for the solemn assembly, who are of thee, to whom the reproach of it was a burden.
Zep 3:19 Behold, at that time I will undo all that afflict thee: and I will save her that halteth, and gather her that was driven out; and I will get them praise and fame in every land where they have been put to shame.
Zep 3:20 At that time will I bring you again, even in the time that I gather you: for I will make you a name and a praise among all people of the earth, when I turn back your captivity before your eyes, saith the LORD.(keeping in mind Rev.ch 7.)
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Quote (Resting @ Nov. 13 2013,08:39) Wakeup, Who are these people in your view?
Zep 3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
Zep 3:14 Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.
Zep 3:15 The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.
Zep 3:16 In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack.
Zep 3:17 The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.
Zep 3:18 I will gather them that are sorrowful for the solemn assembly, who are of thee, to whom the reproach of it was a burden.
Zep 3:19 Behold, at that time I will undo all that afflict thee: and I will save her that halteth, and gather her that was driven out; and I will get them praise and fame in every land where they have been put to shame.
Zep 3:20 At that time will I bring you again, even in the time that I gather you: for I will make you a name and a praise among all people of the earth, when I turn back your captivity before your eyes, saith the LORD.(keeping in mind Rev.ch 7.)
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Resting.Those are the jews brought back;they consists of all generations of chosen jews by God.
Their sins are blotted out.
The kingdom will be as paradise for them,and they will walk in Christ. They still die,but live up to a hundred years.
The nations will look up to them.Rev. 7. Is before the first trumpet will sound,the sealing of the special elect. They are the ones that followed the lamb wheresoever he goeth. True worshippers with no guile.
They will be the *first fruits* of the resurrection.Rev.14. They are with the Lord on mount Zion.(near future).
They knew *AS IT WERE* a new song.
Not a new song,but *as it were* a new song.
Meaning: they are the ones with all knowledge,that has always been there, but not known to the rest of the brothers,
because of their luke warmness.They must be purified by fire.
And given white robes. They must go through the great tribulation like their previous brothers.Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
THESE WERE THE PREVIOUS BROTHERS THAT HAVE GONE TRIBULATIONS ALSO, AND SOME KILLED.
Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Revelation 6:11 And *white robes* were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a *little season*, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
THEY WERE TOLD TO WAIT UNTILL THEIR FELLOW BROTHERS ALSO SHOULD BE KILLED.(END TIME TRIBULATION).
*A little season*: this tells us that the previous brothers
were killed just after the second thousand year. Only a few hundred years ago.
A season=a thousand years.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 13 2013,07:25) Quote (Resting @ Nov. 12 2013,17:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 12 2013,15:28) Quote 1.At the coming the saints only will be resurrected
Meaning,all the true worshippers(christians).
I'm sure you agree.Yes.
Quote 2.The jews *not in Christ* will not be resurrected. True.
Quote 3.The saints will rule with Christ for a thousand years.
Rule over–whom/what/where?All nations.
Quote 4.What will happen to the jews? In the meantime? The believers among them will become Christians and the unbelievers of them are beast worshippers so they will be destroyed.
Quote 5. Where do you fit Isaiah 11:6–11. and 65:17–25.
Flesh living in paradise where the lion eats straw.Same time you do, beginning in Israel and extending.
Quote 6.The white throne judgement is for Jews and all gentiles
of all generations.(past and present).Yes.
Res.
Resting.Your short answers with all confidence,
sound like beautiful music to my ears.
You have got the picture,just some tidying.
Trimming the edges.1. The resurrected saints have inherited heaven and earth.
They rule with Christ,over jews and gentile kings.
2. The jews only: in the kingdom will be taught Chist,
and they also will teach the gentiles outside.
3.Many also will accept Christ,and teach others.
4.Many also will still reject Christ,and live their lives
as they always have done.
5. Every year the christian gentiles,
will be invited in; to celebrate the feast of tabernacles.
Zech. 14:16—21.
6.The kings of the gentiles,have their kingdoms,
but their dominions are taken away.
7.
Daniel 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.8. Season and time=1000years plus time.
9. Then satan will be let loose to do the sifting,
seperating the none believers from the believers.
10.He will gather them to surround the camp of the saints.
This is the battle of gog and magog.
11. Fire will come down from heaven,from God
to destroy them all. Satan and his angels cast in the fire.
12. Death now, is conquered.
13. Now comes the 2nd resurrection of all people,
of all generations; the sheep will be put on the right;
and the goats on the left.
14. The goats will be cast in the fire,where satan and his
angels are.
15. The sheep will be changed/quickened.
16.The earth will be melted,to be purified,and the heavens
will be rolled up as a scroll.
17. New heavens and new earth.
18. God himself will come down to earth.(God all in all).
(rev.21:3) (rev.22:40.Greetings.
wakeup.
Wakeup,The mention of Gog and Magog in Rev.20 has thrown you off. It refers there to the wicked and their leader.
The Gog and Magog of Ez.38 and 39 is the wicked under the 6th vial of wrath before the thousand years.
It is impossible that men will be gathering weapons to cleanse the land and bury bodies after the thousand years.
Just look at the text in EZ, the nations still exist round about–
Eze 39:20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.res.
Resting.
Be patient with me and I will explain.
Ezekiel 38:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Ezekiel 38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against *him*, (HIM).
Ezekiel 38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: GOG IS A HIM: THE *CHIEF*PRINCE.
Ezekiel 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
GOD WILL BRING GOG AGAINST THE LAND AT REST.Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
THE THOUSAND YEAR IN NOT HERE YET,BECAUSE THERE IS NO CAMP OF THE SAINTS TO BE ATTACKED WITH ARMIES TODAY. THERE IS NO LAND AT REST TODAY.(CAMP OF THE SAINTS).Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. (NATIONS WILL MULTIPLY IN A THOUSAND YEARS. THEY ARE THE NONE BELIEVING GENTILES OUTSIDE THE KINGDOM.
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down *from God* out of heaven, and devoured them. ( THERE IS NO CAMP OF THE SAINTS TODAY TO BE ATTACKED). THE SAINTS TODAY ARE: TWO SLEEPING IN BED AND ONE TAKEN,ONE LEFT;TWO WORKING IN THE FIELD,ONE TAKEN AND ONE LEFT.
Ezekiel 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
DONT LET THESE NATIONS PUT YOU OFF TRACK.
BECAUSE IN THE THOUSAND YEARS THEY WILL FORM INTO NATIONS AGAIN.(NON BELIEVERS).Ezekiel 38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.NOTE: THESE NATIONS WERE THE ONES SPARED BUT THEIR DOMINIONS ARE TAKEN AWAY.DAN7:12.
Ezekiel 38:7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them. (THOU GOG).
Ezekiel 38:8 **After many days** thou shalt be visited: **in the latter years** thou shalt come **into the land that is brought back from the sword**, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, **which have been always waste**: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and **they shall dwell safely all of them**.
1.THOU WILL BE VISTED: LET OUT OF PRISON.
2.ISRAEL IS NOT DWELLING SAFELY TODAY;BUT WILL BE IN THE THOUSAND YEAR.(FUTURE).Ezekiel 38:9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
AFTER SATAN IS RELEASED FROM PRISON.Ezekiel 38:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
Ezekiel 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of **unwalled villages**; I will go to them that **are at rest**, that **dwell safely**, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
1.UNWALLED VILAGES.
2.THAT ARE AT REST.(1000YR REST).
3.DWELL SAFELY.
NON OF THIS EXISTS TODAY.Ezekiel 38:12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are **gathered out of the nations**, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
1.ISREAL TODAY IS NOT GATHERED OUT OF MANY NATIONS.
2.ISRAEL TODAY IS NOT AT REST.Ezekiel 38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
THOSE NATIONS WILL BE THE GENTILE NATIONS.
THEY HAVE MULTIPLIED DURING THE THOUSAND YEARS.Ezekiel 38:14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of **Israel dwelleth safely**, shalt thou not know it?
ISRAEL IS NOT AT PEACE TODAY. NOT AT REST TODAY.
DOES NOT DWELL SAFELY TODAY,BUT THE OPPOSITE.Ezekiel 38:15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army: NORTH PARTS,NEIGHBOURING NATIONS.
Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up **against my people of Israel**, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be **in the latter days**, and I will bring thee against **my land**, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
1. MY PEOPLE ISRAEL,NOT TODAYS ISRAEL.
2. IN THE LATTER DAYS.
3.MY LAND;GOD'S LAND. NOT ISREAL TODAY.Ezekiel 38:17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in *old time by my servants* the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?
Ezekiel 38:18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that **my fury** shall come up in my face.
Ezekiel 38:19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
THE SHAKING WILL BE IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL ONLY,
NOT IN THE WHOLE EARTH.Ezekiel 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the *men* that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
NOTE:
1. NO BEAST AND FALSE PROPHET MENTIONED.
2.NO BOTTOMLESS PIT OPENED TO LET OUT THE LOCUSTS
TO STINGING MEN MENTIONED.
3.NO SIGN OF SUN AND MOON DARKENED.
4.NO GATHERING OF THE ARMIES IN MEGIDDO.BUT GOG
WILL SURROUND THE CAMP OF THE SAINTS,(NOT AT
MEGIDDO)?
5.NO REAPING OF THE SAINTS.
6. NO MARK OF THE BEAST MENTIONED.
7.NO MOUNTAIN BURNING, CAST IN THE SEA.
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE SAME EVENT.
THEY ARE 1000YEARS APART.Ezekiel 38:21 And I will call for a sword against *HIM* throughout **all my mountains**, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.
1.ALL MY MOUNTAINS:(BABYLON THE GREAT IS NOT
GOD'S MOUNTAIN).
2.THEY WILL TURN AND KILL EACH OTHER.Ezekiel 38:22 And I will plead against *HIM* with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon *HIM*, and upon *HIS* bands, and upon the many people that are with *HIM*, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. (HIM=GOG).NOT THE 10HORNED BEAST.
Ezekiel 38:23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
THE NON BELIEVING GENTILES WILL KNOW THAT HE IS
THE LORD GOD.
SATAN AND HIS ANGELS WILL BE CAST IN THE FIRE,
WHERE THE PREVIOUS BEAST(10 HORNED) AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE CAST INTO; THE PREVIOUS THOUSAND YEARS.
AND SATAN'S ANGELS ARE TO GO WITH HIM.wakeup.
Wakeup,
Ezekiel 38:23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
That is not a picture which follows the thousand years and the fire coming out of Heaven to destroy those who surround the camp of the saints.
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Quote (Resting @ Nov. 14 2013,15:37) Wakeup, Ezekiel 38:23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
That is not a picture which follows the thousand years and the fire coming out of Heaven to destroy those who surround the camp of the saints.
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Resting.The followers of gog only will be destroyed.
The gentiles turn christians will be saved,and they will know
that God is the Lord indeed.When Babylon the great will be destroyed at the coming;
many nations Will know that God is Lord indeed.
There will be gentiles survivors after armageddon.
They will repopulate the earth.wakeup.
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