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2BesseQuote Journey, Wakeup & Devo, God is the God of all flesh, every struggling man woman and child, sinner or non sinner, rich or poor, black or white, all of us are humans, and God loves every one of us, believer or non believer, because God is love, though many may not see His ultimate plan. You do not know it, I do not know it, but God who is love has the well-being of every single one of us summed up, as only God knows.
I do not believe as you do, and I am in the process myself of learning. every day is a day of learning something new, some days are better than others, but every new day is the spiritual eyes are open, there is something new to see.
For every troubled person, God is with them, though they do not know it, God will lead them home, if it is what they want.
For you to say that the saved are not saved is a lie, and I do not buy it.
We do not need your doctrines, we need God and we need the sweet Jesus, the light who shines into the darkness.It is called the human pursuit of happiness.
Nice talking to you.
Thanks you for your time.
God bless.
Thank you for your very polite goodbye speech.Of course God is love, and his love is offered freely to anyone that wants to move close to him and know him through his Son Jesus Christ, the only way, and no other way.
Our aim is to get into the FIRST RESURRECTION. It is not our mission to tell people don't worry about going to Christ, for you just might be spared at the coming, BUT the chances are you just may not also.
We want to be raised spirit and be with our Lord. It would be far less glorious to be “spared” and remain flesh, whilst Christ and the saints are enjoying their inheritance in the kingdom. I am sharing this with the CHRISTIANS. They should be capable of understanding the whole scheme of God. They should be able to take everything in, good or bad no matter what, but everything that is truth.but the fact is that there will be nations and people surviving, and there will be flesh around, and still Our God will have mercy on certain indiduals who did not know him. THIS IS A REAL GOD OF LOVE. THIS IS A GOD OF MERCY. He is not a tyrant, but a fair God that can see inside the heart, and knows the circumstances of their situation. I'm sorry that you see God with a limited type of love. I'm sorry that you cannot accept that he will have mercy to future generations also, to learn of Christ.
Maybe if Christ destroyed all non christians at his coming then this would comfort you? This could be your grandmother, or brother, child, or close friend.
Christ WARNED the LUKEWARM CHURCH. Take heed.
He said they were blind, miserable, poor and naked. These are CHRISTIANS HE IS SPEAKING TO. They think they are saved, covered, full of truth, born again, and therefore they have a place in the kingdom, but Christ says otherwise. If they do not repent, then they will have to go through the fire. The ark is not closed yet. There is still time for them to change. Feed off his flesh (his word) and he will guide you to all truth.You admit that you are still learning, but an expert in interpreting scriptures and proclaiming us false. This goodbye message is nothing but a polite insult. I am sorry you feel this way.
Farewell 2Besse.
Journey,
I do not reject you – or any of you, but your doctrines, the main ones that are in amongst what I would agree with.
Still like to read your posts and discuss, try and persuade…. etc.Quote still Our God will have mercy on certain indiduals who did not know him. THIS IS A REAL GOD OF LOVE. THIS IS A GOD OF MERCY. He is not a tyrant, but a fair God that can see inside the heart, and knows the circumstances of their situation. I'm sorry that you see God with a limited type of love. I'm sorry that you cannot accept that he will have mercy to future generations also, to learn of Christ. Maybe if Christ destroyed all non christians at his coming then this would comfort you? This could be your grandmother, or brother, child, or close friend.
Read my post again please Journey and you will see that I did not say anything of the sort.
Journey,
The gift of God is eternal life. it is your doctrine stating the opposite, is it not? Your doctrine states, I think, that there will be a kingdom no different to what we have here today (men will die, be evil, etc). That is not scriptural – it is not what Jesus taught.2besee,Feb. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Journey,
The gift of God is eternal life. it is your doctrine stating the opposite, is it not? Your doctrine states, I think, that there will be a kingdom no different to what we have here today (men will die, be evil, etc). That is not scriptural – it is not what Jesus taught.2Besse,
My so called doctrine as you call it, IS 100% SCRIPTURAL and fool proof. Do you know why? because it was never my doctrine to begin with, but God's. Do a bit of detective work 2Besse.
The false prophet and the beast are THROWN ALIVE into the lake of fire at the Coming of Christ.
Satan put in prison at the coming of Jesus for 1000 years.
(The strong man is bound)
The kingdom set up here in Jerusalem.
Israel given their land back (the remnant only by election)
They live in peace, and are protected.
There are nations around.After the 1000 years is expired, Satan will be let loose.
from where?
His prison of course, where he has been for the last 1000 years.
Gog and Magog will battle the children who is as the number of the sea (holy camp, saints) and attack the camp.Fire will come down from heaven to destroy Gog and Magog.
Gog will be buried amongst the graves there. (Not thrown alive into the lake of fire), but buried. So he has a body. (Ezekiel 39:11)It will take 7 YEARS to burn all their weapons. No wood is needed from the forests for fuel for the fire.
Why no wood?
Ask yourself this?
Do some detective work!
Be inquisitive!
Because these weapons are MADE OUT OF WOOD.
Are weapons made out of wood today?
They went back to basics when Babylon was destroyed 1000 years ago. Christ destroyed all factories and industry. (Howl all ye merchants)Ezekiel 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the hand staffs, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years.
Ezekiel 39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoilt them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the LORD God. (NOT JOURNEY'S STORY)!Ezekiel 39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying them.
Did this happen at the return of Christ?
No.
We know Christ will destroy Babylon in ONE DAY.
You claim that when he comes to judge, the earth will be melted. Only the saints left. New heaven and a new earth, just like that.So where do they get all this time to burn the weapons for seven years, and bury the dead for seven months?
Where do they get the time to employ people to do the burying?.Ezekiel 39:14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment., passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months, shall they search.
Do some detective work 2Besse, as if you were solving a crime. God's given us the information, now we have to put it together, find the motive, and place the scene of the crimes in the right place.
This is how God wants us to search.
to do our own investigating, and solve the mystery.
He will give us a little help, if that real hunger for truth is there.Be a witness to these scriptures, and let them be for you, not against you.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 19 2013,15:53) Where has Journey got to? 
Hi 2Besee.Journey would be busy for a while.
wakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 15 2013,22:23) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,18:10) Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 15 2013,15:28) Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. 2 Besse
My whole heart and soul with tears has gone into this post. Please read these scriptures carefully.Who is this chapter 13 speaking to? You have not answered yet when I asked you “who is this land?”
We Refresh ok. (oh no,… not more scriptures again!
)
Lets go back to the beginning of the chapter. We have to do this.Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanliness.
Zechariah 13:2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
IN THAT DAY, THERE WILL BE NO MORE FALSE GODS FOR PEOPLE WHO WILL DWELL IN THAT LAND. ALSO THE PROPHETS (FALSE) AND THE UNCLEAN SPIRITS WILL BE KICKED OUT OF THAT LAND. WHAT LAND? WHO ARE THESE INHABITANTS OF JERUSALEM?
Zechariah 13:3 And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.
WHY CAN'T THEY PROPHESY IN THIS LAND? WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
Zechariah 13:4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
IN THAT DAY 2BESSE, THE PROPHETS (FALSE) SHALL BE ASHAMED. THERE ARE FALSE PROPHETS TODAY, WHO ARE AS CONFIDENT AS HELL. NO SHAME, THEY HAVE MANY FOLLOWERS,AND THEY START ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT RELIGIONS. THEY WEAR A ROUGH GARMENT TO DECIEVE. THEIR COVERING (WORKS) APPEARS HOLY ON THE OUTSIDE BUT INSIDE IS FILTHY. THEY DECIEVE.
Zechariah 13:4 But he shall say I am no prophet, I am an husbandman, for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
THERE NEED NOT BE ANY PROPHETS, BECAUSE THIS IS JERUSALEM WHERE THE ISRAELITE REMNANTS WILL DWELL. THEY RECEIVE THE TRUTH NOW AND THEY WILL MULTIPLY, AND THEY WILL TEACH THEIR CHILDREN THE TRUTH, AND THEY ALSO WILL TEACH THE NATIONS OUTSIDE. FLESH TEACHING FLESH. THEY ARE BEING TAUGHT BY THE LAMB TO TEACH AND NO NEED FOR PROPHETS, OR GIFTS OF TONGUES ETC, BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS A PURE LANGUAGE FLOWING OUT OF ZION. AND IF ONE CLAIM TO BE A PROPHET HE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO ENTER THIS HOLY CITY FOR HE WILL BE A LIAR AS THERE IS NO MORE NEED FOR PROPHETS.
Zechariah 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are the wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
THIS IS JUST SHOWING US, THAT IN THE KINGDOM, WHEN THE JEWS WILL BE TAUGHT, CHRIST WILL TEACH THEM EVERYTHING, E.G. HISTORY….THAT HE WAS WOUNDED BY THEM, BUT NOW THEY ARE HIS FRIENDS. THERE WILL BE MANY NEW GENERATIONS THAT WILL NOT KNOW THIS AND NEED TO BE TAUGHT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THEM, WHAT THEY DID, HOW THEY GOT PUNISHED, AND HOW THEY CAME TO BE DELIVERED.
Zechariah 13:7 Awake oh sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
AGAIN, THIS WILL BE CHRIST TEACHING THEM WHAT THEY DID. HISTORY FOR US NOW, BUT ALSO NEW TO THESE NEW GENERATIONS WHO ARE LEARNING. AWAKE OH SWORD IS A PHYSICAL SWORD AND THE SHEPHERD IS CHRIST. HE WAS WOUNDED BY THE JEWS. THEIR SWORD. IT HAD TO BE FULFILLED. WHEN THIS HAPPENED, THE SHEEP (FAITHFUL) WERE SCATTERED. AND I WILL TURN MY HAD UPON THE LITTLE ONES…THE LAST GENERATION OF THE JEWS, THE YOUNGER DISOBEDIENT ONES, WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FIRE BECAUSE THEY WILL BE HERE DURING THE WRATH OF GOD (7 TRUMPETS) THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PUNISHMENT, CANNOT ESCAPE, FOR THEY ARE EVEN WORSE THAN THEIR FATHERS AND HAVE DISREGARDED GOD AS IF HE NO LONGER EXISTS. AND ONLY A THIRD OF THEM WILL BE SPARED. THE JEWS. THE REST OF THE JEWS WILL BE DESTROYED OR LEFT OUTSIDE OF THE KINGDOM WHERE THEY WILL GNASH THEIR TEETH.. THE THIRD THAT ARE SPARED WILL BE BROUGHT INTO THE KINGDOM AFTER THEIR PUNISHMENT IS FINISHED. THIS IS WHERE THEIR TEARS WILL BE WIPED AWAY, AND THIS IS WHERE RAHEL WHO WAS CRYING FOR HER CHILDREN (HEROD KILLED THEM, ALL BOYS 2 AND UNDER) WILL SEE THEM AGAIN, (Jeremiah 31;15) THEY WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE AND PUT IN THE KINGDOM IN JERUSALEM ON EARTH DURING THE 1000 YEAR REIGN. THEY WILL BE PART OF THE REMNANT. INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER. FOR THE LORD SPOKE IT AND SAID RAHEL WILL BE COMFORTED.
Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction
Journey, those verses are about Jesus come. No matter how emotional you may feel that it is NOT about Jesus, IT IS about Jesus – times past, His first coming.
Hi 2BesseThat's right, I got emotional reading the Word. These Words are alive and they pump through my veins. I am so passionate about the Word. Not my word, but these scriptures I am quoting to you. I cannot wait till we see this with our very eyes. I want to be there, and hope that I am accepted. It is a marvelous thing that the Lord will do. Yes it brings tears to my eyes. imagine all those who have been weeping, who have lost loved ones, their homes, everything, they are so destitute. Their country is taken from them, and they are forced to bow down to a tyrant who has inflicted harm on them, they call out to God, but he has turned his ear away, and the plagues come (7 trumpets) and they have to endure this also, then the Euphrates river dries up, and the kings of the east cross over, (muslems) and they are invaded AGAIN. These ones are worst than the first intruders. They kill all who get in their way. Their hatred for Israel has not faded. This is their dream come true. To wipe them off the map. There will be a lot of sorrow there. You cannot imagine it, nor will you ever see anything like it again. The tears the sorrow.
Then to see Christ coming, and delivering them from all thos
e armies, and destroying those armies. All those who harmed them, then calling them to his holy Jerusalem. They will come by foot, from everywhere (the remnant) Christ will wipe their tears. They will realise what a mistake they made. They will never forget this time of awakening, and mercy, knowing they did not deserve it. (like us) It will be so touching. They are our brothers. They come from the same womb. They will be fed and will lie in green pastures. They will never be harmed again, and we will be there to protect them also. If you cannot see this vision from the scriptures, then I feel sorry for you and you are missing out what God is sharing with us. I would give my life to defend this truth. What God has shown us can never be taken away.I can't be hushed up. If you will not listen, I will preach to the wind.
Hello wind, can you answer this?
Who is the land?
bumpQuote (Devolution @ Feb. 13 2013,18:14) All your narky little arrogant comments and you haven't even read Zechariah for yourself!! Who do you think you are with all your snide remarks yet you haven't even read it properly yourself!!
As far as I'm concerned, you're a hypocrite who refuses to HONESTLY answer a straight forward verse because it conflicts with YOUR PERSONAL INTERPRETATION.
Another thing, we are not dispensationalists.
I've recently looked into that, there are varying branches of thought but none of them say exactly what we say okay.
But I will say this, they are closer to the truth than you that's for sure.I wipe the dust off my feet with you.
You are dishonest & cagey, just like nearly every “born again” type I've come across…all of you with that same ARROGANT & HAUGHTY SPIRIT.I should take you to the hot seat and force you to answer & take tiles from you…but you're not worth 1 more minute of my time.
I answered that and this is the kind of abuse that I got back from devolution for no reason. All I was doing was answering scriptures and he did not like the answer.
From page 56 or something.Quote (2besee @ Nov. 10 2013,22:15) So no I'm not going back here.
They have all been answered.I am amillenial.
2Besee.1 Corinthians 15:27 **For he hath put all things under his feet**. But when he saith **all things** are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put **all things** under him.
ARE ALL THINGS PUT UNDER CHRIST TODAY?
THIS CAN NOT BE;BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL EVIL MEN AND WOMEN IN THE GRAVES,TO BE JUDGED IN THE SECOND JUDGEMENT.(WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT)1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
ALL THINGS ARE NOT SUBDUED UNTO HIM TODAY.
THERE ARE EVIL MEN, AND WOMEN ANTICHRISTS/PAGANS LIVING: AND IN THE GRAVES.
PLUS THE SECOND JUDGEMENT IS STILL TO COME.
CHRIST WILL HAND OVER HIS KINGDOM AFTER THE SECOND JUDGEMENT; AND AFTER THE NEW EARTH.SATAN AND HIS ANGELS WILL NOT BE DESTROYED AT THE SECOND COMING.
HOW CAN ALL ENEMIES BE UNDER HIM?
PLEASE ANSWER,AND DONT RUN AWAY FROM GENUINE QUESTIONS. BRING OUT YOUR SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT
TO BACK UP YOUR AMILLENIAL DOCTRINE.wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 10 2013,22:13) So no I'm not going back here.
They have all been answered.
Hi 2BesseI did not bump this post for you.
It is a reminder to myself why I wanted to come on to HN.
To show the christians that they have missed a big part of the picture, and not only that but got that part wrong.
If you want to dwell on your past confrontations with Devo then go ahead, but we should move forward.
If any cannot handle debate, then they should not come on board. We have to be thick skinned here, and not let it get personal.
It's all about truth, and the truth is in the scriptures.journey42,Feb. wrote:[/quote]
Hi all,It would be helpful to all to understand that I post concerning the things I see need correction
, but it does not mean I disagree with everything.
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Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.The third who came through the fire are the early church, and the term is still used in Rev. to refer to the churches howbeit in apostacy by then.
Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mat 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.Quote
2 Besse
My whole heart and soul with tears has gone into this post. Please read these scriptures carefully.Who is this chapter 13 speaking to? You have not answered yet when I asked you “who is this land?”
We Refresh ok. (oh no,… not more scriptures again!
)
Lets go back to the beginning of the chapter. We have to do this.Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanliness.
Zechariah 13:2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
IN THAT DAY, THERE WILL BE NO MORE FALSE GODS FOR PEOPLE WHO WILL DWELL IN THAT LAND. ALSO THE PROPHETS (FALSE) AND THE UNCLEAN SPIRITS WILL BE KICKED OUT OF THAT LAND. WHAT LAND? WHO ARE THESE INHABITANTS OF JERUSALEM?
Zechariah 13:3 And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.
WHY CAN'T THEY PROPHESY IN THIS LAND? WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
Zechariah 13:4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
IN THAT DAY 2BESSE, THE PROPHETS (FALSE) SHALL BE ASHAMED. THERE ARE FALSE PROPHETS TODAY, WHO ARE AS CONFIDENT AS HELL. NO SHAME, THEY HAVE MANY FOLLOWERS,AND THEY START ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT RELIGIONS. THEY WEAR A ROUGH GARMENT TO DECIEVE. THEIR COVERING (WORKS) APPEARS HOLY ON THE OUTSIDE BUT INSIDE IS FILTHY. THEY DECIEVE.
Zechariah 13:4 But he shall say I am no prophet, I am an husbandman, for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
THERE NEED NOT BE ANY PROPHETS, BECAUSE THIS IS JERUSALEM WHERE THE ISRAELITE REMNANTS WILL DWELL. THEY RECEIVE THE TRUTH NOW AND THEY WILL MULTIPLY, AND THEY WILL TEACH THEIR CHILDREN THE TRUTH, AND THEY ALSO WILL TEACH THE NATIONS OUTSIDE. FLESH TEACHING FLESH. THEY ARE BEING TAUGHT BY THE LAMB TO TEACH AND NO NEED FOR PROPHETS, OR GIFTS OF TONGUES ETC, BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS A PURE LANGUAGE FLOWING OUT OF ZION. AND IF ONE CLAIM TO BE A PROPHET HE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO ENTER THIS HOLY CITY FOR HE WILL BE A LIAR AS THERE IS NO MORE NEED FOR PROPHETS.
The children of Zion are not confined to being Jews of the flesh.
The land is synominos with the Kingdom.
and Jerusalem with the Heavenly Jerusalem, so the Kingdom of God exists but yes it is yet to be set up with its children in the land. (Where land is often the same as earth)
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Zechariah 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are the wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.THIS IS JUST SHOWING US, THAT IN THE KINGDOM, WHEN THE JEWS WILL BE TAUGHT, CHRIST WILL TEACH THEM EVERYTHING, E.G. HISTORY….THAT HE WAS WOUNDED BY THEM, BUT NOW THEY ARE HIS FRIENDS. THERE WILL BE MANY NEW GENERATIONS THAT WILL NOT KNOW THIS AND NEED TO BE TAUGHT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THEM, WHAT THEY DID, HOW THEY GOT PUNISHED, AND HOW THEY CAME TO BE DELIVERED.
The NT term of Jew is not really referring to flesh Jews.
Israel of the flesh became the early church, so it is not true that Israel rejected Christ. Only some of them did.
Multitudes followed Christ.
Quote Zechariah 13:7 Awake oh sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones. AGAIN, THIS WILL BE CHRIST TEACHING THEM WHAT THEY DID. HISTORY FOR US NOW, BUT ALSO NEW TO THESE NEW GENERATIONS WHO ARE LEARNING. AWAKE OH SWORD IS A PHYSICAL SWORD AND THE SHEPHERD IS CHRIST. HE WAS WOUNDED BY THE JEWS. THEIR SWORD. IT HAD TO BE FULFILLED. WHEN THIS HAPPENED, THE SHEEP (FAITHFUL) WERE SCATTERED. AND I WILL TURN MY HAD UPON THE LITTLE ONES…THE LAST GENERATION OF THE JEWS, THE YOUNGER DISOBEDIENT ONES, WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FIRE BECAUSE THEY WILL BE HERE DURING THE WRATH OF GOD (7 TRUMPETS) THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PUNISHMENT, CANNOT ESCAPE, FOR THEY ARE EVEN WORSE THAN THEIR FATHERS AND HAVE DISREGARDED GOD AS IF HE NO LONGER EXISTS. AND ONLY A THIRD OF THEM WILL BE SPARED. THE JEWS. THE REST OF THE JEWS WILL BE DESTROYED OR LEFT OUTSIDE OF THE KINGDOM WHERE THEY WILL GNASH THEIR TEETH.. THE THIRD THAT ARE SPARED WILL BE BROUGHT INTO THE KINGDOM AFTER THEIR PUNISHMENT IS FINISHED. THIS IS WHERE THEIR TEARS WILL BE WIPED AWAY, AND THIS IS WHERE RAHEL WHO WAS CRYING FOR HER CHILDREN (HEROD KILLED THEM, ALL BOYS 2 AND UNDER) WILL SEE THEM AGAIN, (Jeremiah 31;15) THEY WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE AND PUT IN THE KINGDOM IN JERUSALEM ON EARTH DURING THE 1000 YEAR REIGN. THEY WILL BE PART OF THE REMNANT. INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER. FOR THE LORD SPOKE IT AND SAID RAHEL WILL BE COMFORTED.
Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction
You seem to on
ly see Jews of the flesh turning to Christ or being refined.The Bible does not support that and in fact it is the delusion of the world that the Jews are Gods people and that He owes them something.
Res.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 10 2013,22:09) Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 13 2013,18:14) All your narky little arrogant comments and you haven't even read Zechariah for yourself!! Who do you think you are with all your snide remarks yet you haven't even read it properly yourself!!
As far as I'm concerned, you're a hypocrite who refuses to HONESTLY answer a straight forward verse because it conflicts with YOUR PERSONAL INTERPRETATION.
Another thing, we are not dispensationalists.
I've recently looked into that, there are varying branches of thought but none of them say exactly what we say okay.
But I will say this, they are closer to the truth than you that's for sure.I wipe the dust off my feet with you.
You are dishonest & cagey, just like nearly every “born again” type I've come across…all of you with that same ARROGANT & HAUGHTY SPIRIT.I should take you to the hot seat and force you to answer & take tiles from you…but you're not worth 1 more minute of my time.
I answered that and this is the kind of abuse that I got back from devolution for no reason. All I was doing was answering scriptures and he did not like the answer.
From page 56 or something.
Why do people often regard others of not being worth 1 minute of their time when Christ thinks otherwise of them, and suffered and died for them?Res.
Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 11 2013,04:01) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 10 2013,22:13) So no I'm not going back here.
They have all been answered.
Hi 2BesseI did not bump this post for you.
It is a reminder to myself why I wanted to come on to HN.
To show the christians that they have missed a big part of the picture, and not only that but got that part wrong.
If you want to dwell on your past confrontations with Devo then go ahead, but we should move forward.
If any cannot handle debate, then they should not come on board. We have to be thick skinned here, and not let it get personal.
It's all about truth, and the truth is in the scriptures.
Journey, okay.ALL THINGS ARE NOT SUBDUED UNTO HIM
TODAY.
THERE ARE EVIL MEN, AND WOMENI know that, Wakeup.
Perhaps you could learn exactly what amillenialists do believe. Because I do not think you really know, and seem to be confusing amillenialism with preterism. Okay?
And no Wakeup. I have nothing further to say in this topic.
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