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Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 15 2013,15:28) Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. 2 Besse
My whole heart and soul with tears has gone into this post. Please read these scriptures carefully.Who is this chapter 13 speaking to? You have not answered yet when I asked you “who is this land?”
We Refresh ok. (oh no,… not more scriptures again!
)
Lets go back to the beginning of the chapter. We have to do this.Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanliness.
Zechariah 13:2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
IN THAT DAY, THERE WILL BE NO MORE FALSE GODS FOR PEOPLE WHO WILL DWELL IN THAT LAND. ALSO THE PROPHETS (FALSE) AND THE UNCLEAN SPIRITS WILL BE KICKED OUT OF THAT LAND. WHAT LAND? WHO ARE THESE INHABITANTS OF JERUSALEM?
Zechariah 13:3 And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.
WHY CAN'T THEY PROPHESY IN THIS LAND? WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
Zechariah 13:4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
IN THAT DAY 2BESSE, THE PROPHETS (FALSE) SHALL BE ASHAMED. THERE ARE FALSE PROPHETS TODAY, WHO ARE AS CONFIDENT AS HELL. NO SHAME, THEY HAVE MANY FOLLOWERS,AND THEY START ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT RELIGIONS. THEY WEAR A ROUGH GARMENT TO DECIEVE. THEIR COVERING (WORKS) APPEARS HOLY ON THE OUTSIDE BUT INSIDE IS FILTHY. THEY DECIEVE.
Zechariah 13:4 But he shall say I am no prophet, I am an husbandman, for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
THERE NEED NOT BE ANY PROPHETS, BECAUSE THIS IS JERUSALEM WHERE THE ISRAELITE REMNANTS WILL DWELL. THEY RECEIVE THE TRUTH NOW AND THEY WILL MULTIPLY, AND THEY WILL TEACH THEIR CHILDREN THE TRUTH, AND THEY ALSO WILL TEACH THE NATIONS OUTSIDE. FLESH TEACHING FLESH. THEY ARE BEING TAUGHT BY THE LAMB TO TEACH AND NO NEED FOR PROPHETS, OR GIFTS OF TONGUES ETC, BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS A PURE LANGUAGE FLOWING OUT OF ZION. AND IF ONE CLAIM TO BE A PROPHET HE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO ENTER THIS HOLY CITY FOR HE WILL BE A LIAR AS THERE IS NO MORE NEED FOR PROPHETS.
Zechariah 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are the wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
THIS IS JUST SHOWING US, THAT IN THE KINGDOM, WHEN THE JEWS WILL BE TAUGHT, CHRIST WILL TEACH THEM EVERYTHING, E.G. HISTORY….THAT HE WAS WOUNDED BY THEM, BUT NOW THEY ARE HIS FRIENDS. THERE WILL BE MANY NEW GENERATIONS THAT WILL NOT KNOW THIS AND NEED TO BE TAUGHT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THEM, WHAT THEY DID, HOW THEY GOT PUNISHED, AND HOW THEY CAME TO BE DELIVERED.
Zechariah 13:7 Awake oh sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
AGAIN, THIS WILL BE CHRIST TEACHING THEM WHAT THEY DID. HISTORY FOR US NOW, BUT ALSO NEW TO THESE NEW GENERATIONS WHO ARE LEARNING. AWAKE OH SWORD IS A PHYSICAL SWORD AND THE SHEPHERD IS CHRIST. HE WAS WOUNDED BY THE JEWS. THEIR SWORD. IT HAD TO BE FULFILLED. WHEN THIS HAPPENED, THE SHEEP (FAITHFUL) WERE SCATTERED. AND I WILL TURN MY HAD UPON THE LITTLE ONES…THE LAST GENERATION OF THE JEWS, THE YOUNGER DISOBEDIENT ONES, WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FIRE BECAUSE THEY WILL BE HERE DURING THE WRATH OF GOD (7 TRUMPETS) THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PUNISHMENT, CANNOT ESCAPE, FOR THEY ARE EVEN WORSE THAN THEIR FATHERS AND HAVE DISREGARDED GOD AS IF HE NO LONGER EXISTS. AND ONLY A THIRD OF THEM WILL BE SPARED. THE JEWS. THE REST OF THE JEWS WILL BE DESTROYED OR LEFT OUTSIDE OF THE KINGDOM WHERE THEY WILL GNASH THEIR TEETH.. THE THIRD THAT ARE SPARED WILL BE BROUGHT INTO THE KINGDOM AFTER THEIR PUNISHMENT IS FINISHED. THIS IS WHERE THEIR TEARS WILL BE WIPED AWAY, AND THIS IS WHERE RAHEL WHO WAS CRYING FOR HER CHILDREN (HEROD KILLED THEM, ALL BOYS 2 AND UNDER) WILL SEE THEM AGAIN, (Jeremiah 31;15) THEY WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE AND PUT IN THE KINGDOM IN JERUSALEM ON EARTH DURING THE 1000 YEAR REIGN. THEY WILL BE PART OF THE REMNANT. INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER. FOR THE LORD SPOKE IT AND SAID RAHEL WILL BE COMFORTED.
Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction
Journey, those verses are about Jesus come. No matter how emotional you may feel that it is NOT about Jesus, IT IS about Jesus – times past, His first coming.
Journey, why can you not recognize that as Jesus come?
I sat down and read the verse after praying, and I clearly perceived it was about Jesus coming. Nothing future.Why are you not seeing it.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,18:30) Journey, why can you not recognize that as Jesus come?
I sat down and read the verse after praying, and I clearly perceived it was about Jesus coming. Nothing future.Why are you not seeing it.
2Besee.Jesus was inflicted in the first coming.
He will show it to his friends that does not know about the crucifixion.The coming genration.
Therefore they asked the question'; what are these?
or what happened there?We know about the resurrection dont we?
It would be silly for us to ask him that question.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,13:56) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,18:30) Journey, why can you not recognize that as Jesus come?
I sat down and read the verse after praying, and I clearly perceived it was about Jesus coming. Nothing future.Why are you not seeing it.
2Besee.Jesus was inflicted in the first coming.
He will show it to his friends that does not know about the crucifixion.The coming genration.
Therefore they asked the question'; what are these?
or what happened there?We know about the resurrection dont we?
It would be silly for us to ask him that question.wakeup.
2beeWup only sees himself ,what you can show in scriptures is of no concern to him ,his personal understanding is what to him his the sacre truth,
Everything else come from your miss understanding
Right, Journey, be prepared to look at Matthew 24 anew. I will do the same.
First a prayer that all lies and deception be Gone, and Only God's Truth be told – Amen.
Only trust in what is Shown, Only that. Don't look for any More – be satisfied with what is revealed.
Realize that we can be false teachers and we do not want That – we only want Gods Truth.If I am shown anything or see anything I will post it.
Wakeup, you, like a family member of mine, take things too literal, you miss out the important keys, and get too wound up (in it).
There are always clues. The clues point us to where and to when this happened.Anyway, read along! Hush now!
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,19:50) Wakeup, you, like a family member of mine, take things too literal, you miss out the important keys, and get too wound up (in it).
There are always clues. The clues point us to where and to when this happened.Anyway, read along! Hush now!
2Besee.Maybe he/she should join and we can have a good discussion.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,13:56) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,18:30) Journey, why can you not recognize that as Jesus come?
I sat down and read the verse after praying, and I clearly perceived it was about Jesus coming. Nothing future.Why are you not seeing it.
2Besee.Jesus was inflicted in the first coming.
He will show it to his friends that does not know about the crucifixion.The coming genration.
Therefore they asked the question'; what are these?
or what happened there?We know about the resurrection dont we?
It would be silly for us to ask him that question.wakeup.
WupWhat a silly answer ,you have to go back and read scriptures ,it shows you have not read the scriptures for a long time ,you are disconnected with them,
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2013,20:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2013,13:56) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,18:30) Journey, why can you not recognize that as Jesus come?
I sat down and read the verse after praying, and I clearly perceived it was about Jesus coming. Nothing future.Why are you not seeing it.
2Besee.Jesus was inflicted in the first coming.
He will show it to his friends that does not know about the crucifixion.The coming genration.
Therefore they asked the question'; what are these?
or what happened there?We know about the resurrection dont we?
It would be silly for us to ask him that question.wakeup.
WupWhat a silly answer ,you have to go back and read scriptures ,it shows you have not read the scriptures for a long time ,you are disconnected with them,
Terra.Would you ask jesus,what happened to his hands.
Would you?wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,18:10) Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 15 2013,15:28) Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. 2 Besse
My whole heart and soul with tears has gone into this post. Please read these scriptures carefully.Who is this chapter 13 speaking to? You have not answered yet when I asked you “who is this land?”
We Refresh ok. (oh no,… not more scriptures again!
)
Lets go back to the beginning of the chapter. We have to do this.Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanliness.
Zechariah 13:2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
IN THAT DAY, THERE WILL BE NO MORE FALSE GODS FOR PEOPLE WHO WILL DWELL IN THAT LAND. ALSO THE PROPHETS (FALSE) AND THE UNCLEAN SPIRITS WILL BE KICKED OUT OF THAT LAND. WHAT LAND? WHO ARE THESE INHABITANTS OF JERUSALEM?
Zechariah 13:3 And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.
WHY CAN'T THEY PROPHESY IN THIS LAND? WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
Zechariah 13:4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
IN THAT DAY 2BESSE, THE PROPHETS (FALSE) SHALL BE ASHAMED. THERE ARE FALSE PROPHETS TODAY, WHO ARE AS CONFIDENT AS HELL. NO SHAME, THEY HAVE MANY FOLLOWERS,AND THEY START ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT RELIGIONS. THEY WEAR A ROUGH GARMENT TO DECIEVE. THEIR COVERING (WORKS) APPEARS HOLY ON THE OUTSIDE BUT INSIDE IS FILTHY. THEY DECIEVE.
Zechariah 13:4 But he shall say I am no prophet, I am an husbandman, for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
THERE NEED NOT BE ANY PROPHETS, BECAUSE THIS IS JERUSALEM WHERE THE ISRAELITE REMNANTS WILL DWELL. THEY RECEIVE THE TRUTH NOW AND THEY WILL MULTIPLY, AND THEY WILL TEACH THEIR CHILDREN THE TRUTH, AND THEY ALSO WILL TEACH THE NATIONS OUTSIDE. FLESH TEACHING FLESH. THEY ARE BEING TAUGHT BY THE LAMB TO TEACH AND NO NEED FOR PROPHETS, OR GIFTS OF TONGUES ETC, BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS A PURE LANGUAGE FLOWING OUT OF ZION. AND IF ONE CLAIM TO BE A PROPHET HE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO ENTER THIS HOLY CITY FOR HE WILL BE A LIAR AS THERE IS NO MORE NEED FOR PROPHETS.
Zechariah 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are the wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
THIS IS JUST SHOWING US, THAT IN THE KINGDOM, WHEN THE JEWS WILL BE TAUGHT, CHRIST WILL TEACH THEM EVERYTHING, E.G. HISTORY….THAT HE WAS WOUNDED BY THEM, BUT NOW THEY ARE HIS FRIENDS. THERE WILL BE MANY NEW GENERATIONS THAT WILL NOT KNOW THIS AND NEED TO BE TAUGHT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THEM, WHAT THEY DID, HOW THEY GOT PUNISHED, AND HOW THEY CAME TO BE DELIVERED.
Zechariah 13:7 Awake oh sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
AGAIN, THIS WILL BE CHRIST TEACHING THEM WHAT THEY DID. HISTORY FOR US NOW, BUT ALSO NEW TO THESE NEW GENERATIONS WHO ARE LEARNING. AWAKE OH SWORD IS A PHYSICAL SWORD AND THE SHEPHERD IS CHRIST. HE WAS WOUNDED BY THE JEWS. THEIR SWORD. IT HAD TO BE FULFILLED. WHEN THIS HAPPENED, THE SHEEP (FAITHFUL) WERE SCATTERED. AND I WILL TURN MY HAD UPON THE LITTLE ONES…THE LAST GENERATION OF THE JEWS, THE YOUNGER DISOBEDIENT ONES, WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FIRE BECAUSE THEY WILL BE HERE DURING THE WRATH OF GOD (7 TRUMPETS) THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PUNISHMENT, CANNOT ESCAPE, FOR THEY ARE EVEN WORSE THAN THEIR FATHERS AND HAVE DISREGARDED GOD AS IF HE NO LONGER EXISTS. AND ONLY A THIRD OF THEM WILL BE SPARED. THE JEWS. THE REST OF THE JEWS WILL BE DESTROYED OR LEFT OUTSIDE OF THE KINGDOM WHERE THEY WILL GNASH THEIR TEETH.. THE THIRD THAT ARE SPARED WILL BE BROUGHT INTO THE KINGDOM AFTER THEIR PUNISHMENT IS FINISHED. THIS IS WHERE THEIR TEARS WILL BE WIPED AWAY, AND THIS IS WHERE RAHEL WHO WAS CRYING FOR HER CHILDREN (HEROD KILLED THEM, ALL BOYS 2 AND UNDER) WILL SEE THEM AGAIN, (Jeremiah 31;15) THEY WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE AND PUT IN THE KINGDOM IN JERUSALEM ON EARTH DURING THE 1000 YEAR REIGN. THEY WILL BE PART OF THE REMNANT. INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER. FOR THE LORD SPOKE IT AND SAID RAHEL WILL BE COMFORTED.
Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction
Journey, those verses are about Jesus come. No matter how emotional you may feel that it is NOT about Jesus, IT IS about Jesus – times past, His first coming.
Hi 2BesseThat's right, I got emotional reading the Word. These Words are alive and they pump through my veins. I am so passionate about the Word. Not my word, but these scriptures I am quoting to you. I cannot wait till we see this with our very eyes. I want to be there, and hope that I am accepted. It is a marvelous thing that the Lord will do. Yes it brings tears to my eyes. imagine all those who have been weeping, who have lost loved ones, their homes, everything, they are so destitute. Their country is taken from them, and they are forced to bow down to a tyrant who has inflicted harm on them, they call out to God, but he has turned his ear away, and the plagues come (7 trumpets) and they have to endure this also, then the Euphrates river dries up, and the kings of the east cross over, (muslems) and they are invaded AGAIN. These ones are worst than the first intruders. They kill all who get in their way. Their hatred for Israel has not faded. This is their dream come true. To wipe them off the map. There will be a lot of sorrow there. You cannot imagine it, nor will you ever see anything like it again. The tears the sorrow.
Then to see Christ coming, and delivering them from all those armies, and destroying those armies. All those who harmed them, then calling them to his holy Jerusalem. They will come by foot, from everywhere (the remnant) Christ will wipe their tears. They will realise
what a mistake they made. They will never forget this time of awakening, and mercy, knowing they did not deserve it. (like us) It will be so touching. They are our brothers. They come from the same womb. They will be fed and will lie in green pastures. They will never be harmed again, and we will be there to protect them also. If you cannot see this vision from the scriptures, then I feel sorry for you and you are missing out what God is sharing with us. I would give my life to defend this truth. What God has shown us can never be taken away.I can't be hushed up. If you will not listen, I will preach to the wind.
Hello wind, can you answer this?
Who is the land?
Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 16 2013,00:23) Hi 2Besse That's right, I got emotional reading the Word. These Words are alive and they pump through my veins. I am so passionate about the Word. Not my word, but these scriptures I am quoting to you. I cannot wait till we see this with our very eyes. I want to be there, and hope that I am accepted. It is a marvelous thing that the Lord will do. Yes it brings tears to my eyes. imagine all those who have been weeping, who have lost loved ones, their homes, everything, they are so destitute. Their country is taken from them, and they are forced to bow down to a tyrant who has inflicted harm on them, they call out to God, but he has turned his ear away, and the plagues come (7 trumpets) and they have to endure this also, then the Euphrates river dries up, and the kings of the east cross over, (muslems) and they are invaded AGAIN. These ones are worst than the first intruders. They kill all who get in their way. Their hatred for Israel has not faded. This is their dream come true. To wipe them off the map. There will be a lot of sorrow there. You cannot imagine it, nor will you ever see anything like it again. The tears the sorrow.
Then to see Christ coming, and delivering them from all those armies, and destroying those armies. All those who harmed them, then calling them to his holy Jerusalem. They will come by foot, from everywhere (the remnant) Christ will wipe their tears. They will realise what a mistake they made. They will never forget this time of awakening, and mercy, knowing they did not deserve it. (like us) It will be so touching. They are our brothers. They come from the same womb. They will be fed and will lie in green pastures. They will never be harmed again, and we will be there to protect them also. If you cannot see this vision from the scriptures, then I feel sorry for you and you are missing out what God is sharing with us. I would give my life to defend this truth. What God has shown us can never be taken away.
I can't be hushed up. If you will not listen, I will preach to the wind.
Hello wind, can you answer this?
Who is the land?
Journey,
Where are you getting all of this from? When I was in the spirit, I never saw any of this that you write about and I was truly in the spirit I felt sorrow for anyone who was suffering.
However, even though I have Jewish in me, despite my family thinking it to be a wonderful thing, I have felt nothing regarding that, which you speak about.Perhaps it is something that has been shown to you, and God does give things to different people. But, there are too many clear and obvious points that do not go in scripture, such as water baptism, born again, etc.
I am only seeking truth here. I hope you can understand.
What I could see the other day regarding Zechariah 14 made perfectly clear sense to me.
Living waters and everlasting day.
That is what is there on offer, if we take it, and also share it.Journey.
So, the Jews according to Wakeup if I heard him right, will be brought back in the flesh and the Christians will be spirit, and the Jews will be taught by the Christians, who are spirit. So what about the Muslims?
Journey, Jesus said – The Day of Salvation is NOW. Once the door closes, it is closed.
What happened in the days of Noah.Should we not be NOW trying to rescue people?
It appears to me that there is a judgment for those who did not know truth, and they are judged on what they did.
Also, the Meek will inherit the earth.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,23:47) Journey. So, the Jews according to Wakeup if I heard him right, will be brought back in the flesh and the Christians will be spirit, and the Jews will be taught by the Christians, who are spirit. So what about the Muslims?
Journey, Jesus said – The Day of Salvation is NOW. Once the door closes, it is closed.
What happened in the days of Noah.Should we not be NOW trying to rescue people?
It appears to me that there is a judgment for those who did not know truth, and they are judged on what they did.
Also, the Meek will inherit the earth.
Hi 2BesseYes you heard him right. (Ezekiel 37) This is not symbolical, but will actually happen.
Only the flesh Jews will be living in the kingdom (the remnant and they also called the reserved). The land is given back to THEM.
The very few Jews who followed Christ will be spirit (saints)The muslims who are spared will live outside the kingdom along with all the other gentiles that remain.
Of course the day of salvation is now. For the gentiles. God has hardened the hearts of the Israelites because they are stubborn and stiff necked. They have gone their own way, so their eyes are blinded. This had to happen for the door to be opened to the gentiles. Once the fullness of the gentiles come in, then it will go back to them, but only at Christ's coming.
Remember the holy spirit of promise? If we have this, we have the promise. Not all have the holy spirit.
You are right, once the door of the ark is closed, it is closed. No more can come in, because now the wrath of God comes with the seven trumpets. And when these are finished, the door will be opened again for whoever is spared.
Should we be trying to rescue people? Heck, why not, lets give it a go! We should be warning as many people as we can, but it's not a fruitful field out there. Only God can draw them to him, and if he wants to use us, he will draw them to us, so we can share. I've realised this is how he works. You stand on a corner and shout out what you know and see how far you'll get. They will be put off for life. Intimidating. He knows the hearts of the hungry, he will feed them if they answer his call. Everyone has a different walk. It's not my walk to go out and get converts, my walk is to warn the brethren.
Yes those who did not know truth will be judged according to the books. Their deeds will be weighed out. God knows what's inside, and he knows their circumstances. Eg. if you are bought up in a hindu family, you will only know hindu. But that hindu person may of had love in his heart, and was a humble caring person, honest, and never causing harm to anyone. Maybe that hindu person showed kindness to one of the saints. Who know's. Although he was ignorant of the true God, he did his best to what he knew, and love inside a person can only come from God, so he has this special ingredient naturally, that us christians have to work hard on at all times, but for him it's natural to show kindness, therefore God will see that, and he probably show up a few christians also with his meekness.
Yes the meek will inherit the earth. God gives grace to the humble but resists the proud.
Quote The muslims who are spared will live outside the kingdom along with all the other gentiles that remain. So there is division in the kingdom of God?
What do you mean by “The muslims who are spared will live outside the kingdom along with all the other gentiles that remain.”What exactly is “outside”?
Is this in the eternal kingdom?As for the Jews, you say “only a few followed Christ”.
Scripture says at least 144000 sealed.
By “a few” do you mean 144000?Quote (2besee @ Feb. 16 2013,14:08) Quote The muslims who are spared will live outside the kingdom along with all the other gentiles that remain. So there is division in the kingdom of God?
What do you mean by “The muslims who are spared will live outside the kingdom along with all the other gentiles that remain.”What exactly is “outside”?
Is this in the eternal kingdom?As for the Jews, you say “only a few followed Christ”.
Scripture says at least 144000 sealed.
By “a few” do you mean 144000?
2Besee.In the kingdom there will be:
1.In the flesh; jews of all generations from past and now
that God has chosen to be brought back. Non christian
jews included,uless they are the resurrected.This
kingdom will be paradise for them,living in
total peace.2.All the saints that have been resurrected,teaching
those jews,and those jews will also teach all the
gentiles outside.consisting of all kinds of remnants of
armageddon,the survivors. All sorts of people; and
also luke warm christians,and luke warm chistian
jews.
That did not make it in the first resurrection.The saints will also have some christian jews amongs
them.True christian jews;and other true christians.3. Those people outside,will live in groups as small
tribes with no dominions.
Their power of becomming a great
nation as we have today is no more.4. The jews in paradise will become a great nation;they
will multiply.
The nations out side will also multiply.
Many will accept the Lord,and also many will refuse.5. The sealed are all *spiritual* jews of all tribes of
israel.6. Who are the sealed? Read john 6:27. 54.55.56.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 16 2013,14:08) Quote The muslims who are spared will live outside the kingdom along with all the other gentiles that remain. So there is division in the kingdom of God?
What do you mean by “The muslims who are spared will live outside the kingdom along with all the other gentiles that remain.”What exactly is “outside”?
Is this in the eternal kingdom?As for the Jews, you say “only a few followed Christ”.
Scripture says at least 144000 sealed.
By “a few” do you mean 144000?
2besee,When Christ comes, His kingdom will be set up in Israel with greatly expanded borders.
This is the kingdom Christ inherited from His Father.
He will also exercise His direct rule over the whole world, but He only RESTORES His kingdom in Israel first.
The rest are outsiders whom the Jews go forth to teach…this is when Israel finally becomes recognised by the survivors of the world as blessed, as Ministers of God, and become famous in every land.
And the resurrected Christians who teach these Jews will be the voices the Jews hear behind them saying, “This is the way, walk ye in it” when they travel out into the world amongst the survivors.
These outsiders are the heathen of Zechariah 14 who must come to Jerusalem every year and keep the feast of tabernacles and pay respect to the King.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 15 2013,22:59) Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 16 2013,00:23) Hi 2Besse That's right, I got emotional reading the Word. These Words are alive and they pump through my veins. I am so passionate about the Word. Not my word, but these scriptures I am quoting to you. I cannot wait till we see this with our very eyes. I want to be there, and hope that I am accepted. It is a marvelous thing that the Lord will do. Yes it brings tears to my eyes. imagine all those who have been weeping, who have lost loved ones, their homes, everything, they are so destitute. Their country is taken from them, and they are forced to bow down to a tyrant who has inflicted harm on them, they call out to God, but he has turned his ear away, and the plagues come (7 trumpets) and they have to endure this also, then the Euphrates river dries up, and the kings of the east cross over, (muslems) and they are invaded AGAIN. These ones are worst than the first intruders. They kill all who get in their way. Their hatred for Israel has not faded. This is their dream come true. To wipe them off the map. There will be a lot of sorrow there. You cannot imagine it, nor will you ever see anything like it again. The tears the sorrow.
Then to see Christ coming, and delivering them from all those armies, and destroying those armies. All those who harmed them, then calling them to his holy Jerusalem. They will come by foot, from everywhere (the remnant) Christ will wipe their tears. They will realise what a mistake they made. They will never forget this time of awakening, and mercy, knowing they did not deserve it. (like us) It will be so touching. They are our brothers. They come from the same womb. They will be fed and will lie in green pastures. They will never be harmed again, and we will be there to protect them also. If you cannot see this vision from the scriptures, then I feel sorry for you and you are missing out what God is sharing with us. I would give my life to defend this truth. What God has shown us can never be taken away.
I can't be hushed up. If you will not listen, I will preach to the wind.
Hello wind, can you answer this?
Who is the land?
Journey,
Where are you getting all of this from? When I was in the spirit, I never saw any of this that you write about and I was truly in the spirit I felt sorrow for anyone who was suffering.
However, even though I have Jewish in me, despite my family thinking it to be a wonderful thing, I have felt nothing regarding that, which you speak about.Perhaps it is something that has been shown to you, and God does give things to different people. But, there are too many clear and obvious points that do not go in scripture, such as water baptism, born again, etc.
I am only seeking truth here. I hope you can understand.
What I could see the other day regarding Zechariah 14 made perfectly clear sense to me.
Living waters and everlasting day.
That is what is there on offer, if we take it, and also share it.
Hi 2BesseI'm not a trance or anything. I have been reading for a long time and have picked up many things along the way. from all the scriptures. I questioned everything. Every word, every sentence, some things I've read in the past, and couldn't make heads or tails, but the picture is so clear now to me. I don't consult wakeup on everything I read, I have my own mind. I interpret it as I see it. The full picture (plan of God is there already inside me) I didn't get a vision or anything, but I got it out of the scriptures. Sometimes it takes a while to find those scriptures to prove it, because it's strewn about all over the place, especially old testament. The solids are there when it comes to prophesy. The finer details that are not mentioned in the NT are there. The little nitty gritty things.
Like for example, in Revelations it will say that The holy city will be trodden down by the gentiles for 3 1/2 years. This holy city is Jerusalem. Jerusalem now. Not holy according to God now, but will be the holy headquarters. Then we find out in Daniel that someone is going to come and set up HIS headquarters in the glorious land. So we have to find out who this is. Then we read in the old testament that Israel makes an agreement with death, and seals the fate of it's land. What is this agreement with death?, and then we go back to revelations, and it goes on and on. That's how we learn. Back and forth, here and there, many questions, many puzzles to be solved. It can only come by reading, not visions, because the proof is in the holy words given to us. In scriptures. There is so much in there that only God can reveal, and he will reveal if your spirit is hungry and come to his word like a child knowing nothing, ready for him to fill you up and show you things you never knew. It's available to anybody that is hungry. Not just me. I am no one special.
You have helped me whether you know it or not. By your refusal of what I am saying, you have caused me to really delve into certain scriptures, and analyse them again but with new eyes. And what I get out of it is even more clarity and confirmation. I am causing you to look into it also. So our noses are in the scriptures, and not in the Woman's day magazine! This is what God wants. Our noses in his Word. A hunger for truth. But we are reading two different bible versions, and that's fine, but in my version, there are certain keywords that connect. A certain lingo and the way God strings his words, that has really helped. Without this, I wouldn't of picked up half the things, because I know his style of speech now, and there's different tones. It's like music to my ears
Journey
Quote The muslims who are spared will live outside the kingdom along with all the other gentiles that remain. 2Besse
Quote So there is division in the kingdom of God?
What do you mean by “The muslims who are spared will live outside the kingdom along with all the other gentiles that remain.”What exactly is “outside”?
Is this in the eternal kingdom?Hi 2Besse, you asked me what will happen to the muslems.
My answer was probably not clear. I am referring to all those who are ALIVE at the coming of Christ. Whether Muslem or Krishna, or Bhoda, or atheist makes no difference. They are NON CHRISTIANS, and therefore were never one in Christ, so they are separated and cannot dwell in the kingdom. Don't forget they are going to witness the Lord's coming. They are going to realise they made a big mistake, because Allah didn't come, Krishna didn't come, and Bhoda didn't come. But who came, Jesus Christ. They will be shaking at the knees, and every knee will bow.As for the Muslems that fought against Israel, and had hatred for Israel and the christians in their hearts, the scriptures say that they will be destroyed, along with all the other armies that inflicted Israel. God knows the heart. I also know from the scriptures that the muslem lands will be no more, because the kingdom on earth with it's boundaries will cover this area.
Ezekiel 25:15 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the Philistines have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy it for the old hatred;
Ezekiel 25:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast.Zephaniah 2:5 Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast, the nation of the Cherethites! the word of the LORD is against you; O Canaan, the land of the Philistines,….I will even destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant.
Zechariah 9:6 And a bastard shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines.
Isaiah 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina,….art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
GOD IS GOING TO USE THE FALSE PROPHET TO TRAMPLE THIS PLACE, BEFORE HE TAKES THIS LAND OF THEM. WHEN ISRAEL ARE INVADED, PEOPLE WILL FLEE EVERYWHERE. IF YOU READ THE SCRIPTURES SOME WILL FLEE TO PALESTINE AND PALESTINE WILL HARBOUR THEM,THEN SELL THEM AS SLAVES. THIS WILL MAKE PALESTINE FEEL SUPERIOR, HAVING ISRAEL UNDER THEM. THEY WILL REJOICE THAT ISRAEL IS NEEDY. BUT THIS MUST MAKE THE FALSE PROPHET ANGRY THAT PALESTINE HAVE KEPT THEM, HIS PROPERTY, SO HE GOES IN AND TRAMPLES PALESTINE.Joel 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head.
There are also some Christians living in Palestine. They would be closet Christians in fear of their lives. And there are muslems also that do not carry this hatred for Israel or Christians. Many have Christians friends. So this is where God will see inside the heart.
The kingdom of God is ruled by God from heaven. But his son Jesus Christ, faithful and tried in the fire, is appointed to clean up here on earth. So whilst God is still in heaven, he sends Christ here to rule on his behalf. He has entrusted Christ to take charge and rule. They are always in constant communication don't forget. Christ is given this job, to rule the nations. His dwelling will be in Israel. His headquarters will be in Jerusalem. The boundaries of Israel will change. 2414km square. This is a large kingdom. Only the Israelites can dwell in there. The kingdom is God's laws, his rules, his system. It can't be limited, but the area that is protected, where the Israelites will live will have boundaries. There are nations existing outside these boundaries. They can come in and learn, but they can't dwell there. Nothing defiled can enter. They will see it for all it's glory. Remember when Christ destroyed Babylon? Well he only destroyed the system and the very wicked. He also destroyed the material things, like cities, buildings, houses, planes, cars, boats etc.
These survivors are left with absolutely nothing. They have seen war at it's worst, and seen the wrath of God. They will have to build new houses with their hands. They will have to grow their own food. They will go back to basics. The Lord will have messengers, and the nations will still have their leaders. No more industry, or factories to start with, but in time I think technology will slightly advance. They will multiply again, and there will still be evil in men's hearts, but not for the majority. Jesus will rule with a rod of iron, and if a nation will not obey his law, then he will send them no rain.The kingdom of God is eternal. The kingdom on earth is for 1000 years with Christ ruling, teaching flesh. When the thousand years are up, Christ will be in subjection to God again. He will always be beside the Father for ever, and the saints will be too. The kingdom doesn't end. There is a second dominion that is coming after all this. God does not tell us yet what this involves but I'm sure it will be exciting.
Quote As for the Jews, you say “only a few followed Christ”.
By “a few” do you mean 144000?
Scripture says at least 144000 sealed.
The few that followed Christ are going back to the days of the apostles etc. onwards. They are dead now. The scriptures indicate that Israel was stubborn and stiff necked, that's why God had to punish them. So the majority of Jews are and have always been against Christ, and there's a small minority that followed Christ. They will be raised spirit, and not brought back as flesh into the kingdom.The 144,000 are those that are alive DURING THE LAST DAYS. This does not include the dead. These are sealed with the holy spirit of promise. Their destiny cannot change, they are chosen ,and they are the faithful. They have it the hardest because they are of the last generation, living amongst the most evil times in history. They washed their robes white when they followed the lamb everywhere. They are Christ's disciples of the last days. There are no tribes today. These 144K are the spiritual Israelites. Who knows if they have Israel blood in them going way back, only God knows. But whoever obeys Christ, get
s that holy seal of promise, whether Jew or Greek. They get changed to spirit and there is no favouritism when it comes to the resurrection. That is the promise. They are adopted into the family, therefore part of the family. They are sealed right before the trumpets blow, so they are alive. They are protected from the plagues that will come. Two in one field, one gets taken away, two in one bed, one gets taken away, could this be them? Because they are the firstfruits, and it shows that people are working and Babylon not destroyed yet. They are the first to be quickened and must still be alive close to the end. Could these be the ones that never see death?.Then the rest of the dead in Christ will be resurrected shortly after. There will be multitudes of them from all generations after Christ.
Journey, Wakeup & Devo,
God is the God of all flesh, every struggling man woman and child, sinner or non sinner, rich or poor, black or white, all of us are humans, and God loves every one of us, believer or non believer, because God is love, though many may not see His ultimate plan. You do not know it, I do not know it, but God who is love has the well-being of every single one of us summed up, as only God knows.
I do not believe as you do, and I am in the process myself of learning. every day is a day of learning something new, some days are better than others, but every new day is the spiritual eyes are open, there is something new to see.
For every troubled person, God is with them, though they do not know it, God will lead them home, if it is what they want.
For you to say that the saved are not saved is a lie, and I do not buy it.
We do not need your doctrines, we need God and we need the sweet Jesus, the light who shines into the darkness.It is called the human pursuit of happiness.
Nice talking to you.
Thanks you for your time.
God bless.
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