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Hi 2Besse,

I know that you and Devo are debating Zechariah in the hot seat, so I can't go there. I have a few questions myself, and I hope they are not the same questions Devo is asking you.

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Zechariah 13:9
In the whole land[/b], says the LORD, two thirds shall be cut off and perish, and one third shall be left alive. And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name, and I will answer them. I will say, `They are my people'; and they will say, `The LORD is my God.'”

What is this whole land?

Two thirds will be cut off and perish, and one third left alive.
Who are these two thirds who be will cut off?
and who is this one third that will be put through the fire and kept alive?

I think this was your explanation to Zechariah 13:9? Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Jesus' first coming.
Next Chapter follows on..

Zech.14:1-3.

Behold, a day of the LORD is coming, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in the midst of you. For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle.

My question is;
Are you saying that this happened in 70AD when Rome attacked Jerusalem?,
then why does the Lord say that he will gather all the nations?

and if so, when did the Lord fight against all those nations?

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Matt 24

“You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another, that will not be thrown down………

I agree that this happened in 70Ad. Jerusalem was flattened by the Romans.

but we go down further and you quote this;

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Mat 24
[15]So when you see the desolating sacrilege spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
[16]then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains;
[17]let him who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house;
[18]and let him who is in the field not turn back to take his mantle.
[19]And alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days!
[20]Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath.[/b] “

but you failed to quote the next verses;
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved, but for the elects sake those days will be shortened.

Also at the beginning of this chapter in Matthew, before Christ answered, you did not quote this question asked by his disciples.

[3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, …..Tell us, when shall these things be? and ….what shall be the sign of thy coming?….. and of the end of the world.

This is a pretty important clue.

February 13, 2013 at 8:24 pm#335514

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Journey,

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Zech 13:6-7.

Hi 2Besse,

Is this a typo error?

Zech 13:6-7

And if one asks him, `What are these wounds on your back?' he will say, `The wounds I received in the house of my friends.'” “Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, against the man who stands next to me,” says the LORD of hosts. “Strike the shepherd, that the sheep may be scattered; I will turn my hand against the little ones.

John 1:11

He came to his own creation, yet his own people did not receive him.

Isaiah 53:5

But he was wounded for our transgressions, and he was crushed for our iniquities, and the punishment that made us whole was upon him, and by his bruises we are healed.

John 19:1

Then Pilate had Jesus taken away and whipped.

Matt 26:31.

Then Jesus told them, “All of you will turn against me this very night, because it is written, 'I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'

February 13, 2013 at 8:49 pm#335516

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Journey,

Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 14 2013,02:09)

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Zech 13:6-7.

Hi 2Besse,

Is this a typo error?

Zech 13:6-7

John 1:11

He came to his own creation, yet his own people did not receive him.

Isaiah 53:5

But he was wounded for our transgressions, and he was crushed for our iniquities, and the punishment that made us whole was upon him, and by his bruises we are healed.

John 19:1

Then Pilate had Jesus taken away and whipped.

Matt 26:31.

Then Jesus told them, “All of you will turn against me this very night, because it is written, 'I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'

2Besee.

And the sheep of the flock are scattered indeed.
Scatterred in 3000 denominations,all disagreeing with each other. The Holy spirit is not found in them.
And you belong to one of them.

Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art WRETCHED, and MISERABLE, and POOR, and BLIND, and NAKED:

Therefore the land is DESOLATE.
Nothing can grow on parch soil.

wakeup.

February 13, 2013 at 9:28 pm#335522

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Wakeup,
What are your fruits of your congregation?
Who is leading whom?
The younger or the older.
Did the younger lead the older?

February 13, 2013 at 9:59 pm#335527

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Journey,
I have gone over your questions in Ed's thread, I think it was.
Matthew 24 is a dual prophecy.

February 13, 2013 at 10:01 pm#335528

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Wakeup,
What are your fruits of your congregation?
Who is leading whom?
The younger or the older.
Did the younger lead the older?

2Besee.

My fruits is all the knowledge that has been given me.
And my land is fruitful land,with all manner of fruits growing.And the Lord is leading and we just follow.

No thorns will grow in this land.
Your land is parched land. Sad to say.
Its desolation,and refused to be watered.

wakeup.

February 13, 2013 at 10:08 pm#335529

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Devo,
The fruit is what is grown, what is produced.
A good tree produces good fruit, a rotten tree produces bad fruit.
Control your sheep.

February 13, 2013 at 10:11 pm#335530

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Quote (2besee @ Feb. 14 2013,10:08)

Devo,
The fruit is what is grown, what is produced.
A good tree produces good fruit, a rotten tree produces bad fruit.
Control your sheep.

Typo, that was to Wakeup.

February 13, 2013 at 10:29 pm#335533

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Quote (2besee @ Feb. 14 2013,08:08)

Devo,
The fruit is what is grown, what is produced.
A good tree produces good fruit, a rotten tree produces bad fruit.
Control your sheep.

2Besee.

I agree with that.A bad tree produces bad fruits.
3000 bad trees all producing bad fruits.

So show us your good fruits.
So far its only sugar coated words that chocked
the truth.

The land is desolate indeed,and still refused to be watered, because of pride.

wakeup.

February 13, 2013 at 10:52 pm#335536

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Wakeup,
Control your sheep.

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So show us your good fruits. So far its only sugar coated words

Wakeup, the fruit comes from the tree, it is what is produced. A good tree produces good fruit (good people) and a bad tree produces bad fruit (bad people). Sometimes a tree may appear to be good, but it is what is produced by it.

For all of those who you say are desolate, they have produced children for the kingdom of God, which are good fruit, often times.

February 13, 2013 at 11:09 pm#335539

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2Besee.

Its sad to say that they have produced corrupt fruits.
They have denied the spirit of the hungry,by feeding them with junk food.

The gospel will be preached in all the earth.FOR WHAT?
not knowledge,BUT FOR A WITNESS ONLY.

The jews have been blinded,and so have the gentiles been blinded; untill he comes,and HE alone will feed us with the truth,and this will be in his 1000yr kingdom.

Chistians have been duped by their shepherds,for personal gain. They have turned the word of God into merchandise. Just as the jews did in the temple court,and Jesus was very angry,and turn over the tables.

And so is God angree today,they are doing the same.

wakeup.

February 14, 2013 at 12:22 am#335552

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2besee,Feb. wrote:

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Hi 2Besse,

Is this a typo error?

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Zech 13:6-7.

Hi 2Besse

We know it's speaking of Christ, but my translation reads like this;

Zechariah 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

Why would they change the words from hands to back? Did the original translators make a mistake? We know Christ was whipped. He was even spat on and made to drink vinegar, but was hung on the cross, died and resurrected. He showed his hands to his apostles as proof, he was back from the dead. Not his back.

February 14, 2013 at 2:38 am#335573

http://biblos.com/zechariah/13-6.htm

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Hi 2Besse,

Is this a typo error?

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Zech 13:6-7.

Hi 2Besse

We know it's speaking of Christ, but my translation reads like this;

Zechariah 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

Journey,
What are these distractions?

I was merely showing Devolution how chapter 13 shows us the first coming of Jesus, and how it then continues on into the next chapter – chapter 14.

The translation differences, is due to the Hebrew, because the Hebrew does not mention where the wounds are. So the translators translated it as either “Hands”, “Arms”, “Chest” or “Body”

It is a pity that you cannot see what is hidden in that chapter.
Never mind.

February 14, 2013 at 3:05 am#335581

http://biblos.com/zechariah/13-6.htm

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 14 2013,10:01)

Its desolation,and refused to be watered.

Do you blame anyone for not really listening after a while.
Look what happens.
You taunt, as you admit, and so do I sometimes too, with the motive to get you to listen, as you say too.
But then look what happened yesterday. What was that?

You are in agreement, it appears with that type of behaviour.

February 14, 2013 at 3:08 am#335583

terraricca

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Hi 2Besse,

Is this a typo error?

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Zech 13:6-7.

Hi 2Besse

We know it's speaking of Christ, but my translation reads like this;

Zechariah 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

Journey,
What are these distractions?

I was merely showing Devolution how chapter 13 shows us the first coming of Jesus, and how it then continues on into the next chapter – chapter 14.

It is a pity that you cannot see what is hidden in that chapter.
Never mind.

2bee

Zechariah 13:6
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NET ©
Then someone will ask him, ‘What are these wounds on your chest?’ 1 and he will answer, ‘Some that I received in the house of my friends.’
NIV ©
If someone asks him, ‘What are these wounds on your body?’ he will answer, ‘The wounds I was given at the house of my friends.’
NASB ©
“And one will say to him, ‘What are these wounds between your arms?’ Then he will say, ‘ Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.’
NLT ©
And if someone asks, ‘Then what are those scars on your chest?’ he will say, ‘I was wounded at the home of friends!’
MSG ©
And if someone says, 'And so where did you get that black eye?' they'll say, 'I ran into a door at a friend's house.'
BBE ©
And if anyone says to him, What are these wounds between your hands? then he will say, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
NRSV ©
And if anyone asks them, “What are these wounds on your chest?” the answer will be “The wounds I received in the house of my friends.”
NKJV ©
“And one will say to him, ‘What are these wounds between your arms?’ Then he will answer, ‘ Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.’

all those are good and not totally accurate but it reflect the truth .

February 14, 2013 at 3:11 am#335585

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T, yes, it does reflect the truth.

February 14, 2013 at 3:17 am#335587

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2besee,Feb. wrote:

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Journey,
I have gone over your questions in Ed's thread, I think it was.
Matthew 24 is a dual prophecy.

Hi 2Besse

I don't know which thread you are speaking about. (takes so long to find)

Can we look at Matthew 24 honestly 2Besse

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying Tell us, WHEN shall these things be? ..and WHAT shall be the SIGN of THY COMING, and OF THE END OF THE WORLD?

I can't see how this can be dual, considering Christ was there already, and Christ had obviously told them he was coming back, and they knew it would be at the end of the world (as we know it) and wanted the signs.

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then the end shall come
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whosoever READETH, let him understand)

Daniel 11:31 And arms (ARMIES, POWER, 10 KINGS) shall stand on his (THE FALSE PROPHET) part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength (CHRIST, SPRITIUAL HOLY TEMPLE), and shall take away the daily sacrifice, (KNOWLEDGE TO REFUSE EVIL…CHRIST WAS SACRIFICED ONCE, BUT WE HAVE BEEN SACRIFICING HIM OVER AND OVER AND OVER DAILY) and they shall.. place the..abomination that maketh desolate.(PUT SOMETHING IN CHRIST'S PLACE, RIGHT THERE IN JERUSALEM,…A PHYSICAL TEMPLE WHERE THE FALSE PROPHET WILL SIT. WE KNOW THE FALSE PROPHET WILL SET UP IN JERUSALEM, AND THIS IS THE ABOMINATION THAT MAKES DESOLATE, THAT HE HAS DECIEVED ALL THE WORLD INTO THINKING THAT HE IS GOD AND DONE IT IN HOLY JERUSALEM TO COME.)

Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant(THOSE THAT IGNORE THE NEW COVENANT, FORGIVENESS OF SINS, CHRIST) shall he corrupt by flatteries:(SWEET TALK THEM) but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits WARN OTHERS. THE 144,000, THE ONES THAT FOLLOW THE LAMB WHERESOEVER HE GOES, AND FEED ON HIS FLESH. THESE ARE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE EARTH.

Daniel 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, and by captivity, (PERSECUTED) and by spoil many days.

Daniel 11:34 Now when they shall fall (persecuted), they shall be helped with a little help: …
Matthew 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

..but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.(THE ONES WITH NO KNOWLEDGE REALISE THAT THOSE OTHER ONES KNEW THE TRUTH THE WHOLE TIME BECAUSE IT'S PANNING OUT EXACTLY AS THEY SAID IT WOULD, AND THEREFORE THEY WILL CLING ONTO THEM WITH THEIR LIVES OUT OF FEAR…NOT PREPARED)

Daniel 11:36 And the king (THE FALSE PROPHET) shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above EVERY god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper, till the indignation be accomplished:

Daniel 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land (JERUSALEM) , and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon (JORDAN)

So when we see the abomination that makes desolate set up (the false prophets own temple) standing where it ought not to (in Jerusalem) know that the end is very very near. And when that temple is declared finished (fully built) and he sits in there, we know we have 45 days till the Lord comes. (Daniel 12:12)

Matthew 24 is speaking of the END. Just like Daniel did.

February 14, 2013 at 3:20 am#335588

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Wakeup,
Control your sheep.

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So show us your good fruits. So far its only sugar coated words

For all of those who you say are desolate, they have produced children for the kingdom of God, which are good fruit, often times.

2Besse,

I am not Wakeup's disciple, but Christ's disciple. We are all brethren and we all follow Christ and preach the truth. Christ is our shepherd, and he should be yours too. We are feeding off Christ's flesh, not each others flesh. There is a big difference.

February 14, 2013 at 3:28 am#335589