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Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,21:22) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,23:10) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,20:01) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,19:43) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,19:23) With the Saints and the Angels.
Regarding the Saints:Jude 1
“And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints“
Hi 2Besee,This has already been fulfilled, it is NOT futuristic; you've been lied to by the systems of religion: (Enoch, then Moses)
“And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; HE
shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.” (Deuteronomy 33:2)God bless
Ed J
Ed,The Heavenly Jerusalem coming down from Heaven onto the New Earth is the coming of the Saints. Believe it or not!
The descent of all of the saints, with Jesus, from the third heaven, into the air, where the living saints will meet them.
Hi 2Besee,So you reject what Scripture actually says
in favor of what it does NOT say; how odd.
The systems of religion have lied to you 2B.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed.“The systems of religion have lied to me”?
No. That was once a moment of revelation for me (months ago),
I was thinking about something and then it all clicked and I posted….THE CAMP OF THE SAINTS THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM – THIS IS THE SAINTS THEM-SELF COMING!
Here:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….st=1010
Don't ask me to explain it to you, but at the time I knew EXACTLY what it meant!
Hi 2Besee,Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your epiphany.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,21:33) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,23:17) One question, “To execute judgment upon all” (Jude 1:15)
Does “The Law” execute judgment upon all?
Please do not attempt top dodge this question,
you may only choose one of the three answers: (HA Ha ha ha ha) after all, it is a fair question, you know!- Yes
- No
- I don't know
THIS IS THE NEW DUMB RULE HERE YOU KNOW, you can thank T8 for it!
God Bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed,Really?
Well my answer would be “I do not know”!
Good choice.Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,23:35) Hi 2Besee, Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your epiphany.
Thank you Ed.But, what i know to be true, as revealed, I trust as truth, and nothing will move me from it.
Even if I cannot explain it.
Hi 2Besee,
And here's why: “No” is clearly the wrong answer and since you choose NOT to agree
with me that “Yes” is the correct answer; that leaves “I don't know” as your only choice.See isn't this “FUN”.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,21:40) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,23:35) Hi 2Besee, Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your epiphany.
Thank you Ed.But, what i know to be true, as revealed, I trust as truth, and nothing will move me from it.
Even if I cannot explain it.
Hi 2Besee,Yes, time will; as it has done before to you.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,16:42) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,21:40) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,23:35) Hi 2Besee, Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your epiphany.
Thank you Ed.But, what i know to be true, as revealed, I trust as truth, and nothing will move me from it.
Even if I cannot explain it.
Hi 2Besee,Yes, time will; as it has done before to you.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjif time does not works for you why would you think it would work on others
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,21:42) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,21:40) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,23:35) Hi 2Besee, Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your epiphany.
Thank you Ed.But, what i know to be true, as revealed, I trust as truth, and nothing will move me from it.
Even if I cannot explain it.
Hi 2Besee,Yes, time will; as it has done before to you.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edj.WE ARE ALL NUMBERED NOW BY MEN.
AND YOU ARE GOING FURTHER, BY ALSO NUMBERING ALL THE HOST OF HEAVEN.WE ARE HUMANS,NOT NUMBERS.
GOD IS ALL MIGHTY AND NOT A NUMBER.wakeup.
Hi 2besee,
THIS ONLY TAKES 10 MINUTES TO READ…I TIMED IT AT A CONVENIENT PACE!!
From the list of questions I gave you, I would like to start with the kingdom of Christ.
We established that you believe that Christ is right now sitting on His throne of glory ruling over His kingdom from heaven.
So I asked you to identify this kingdom Christ was ruling over, whether it was Israel, or, the whole world.
You replied that the kingdom Christ has been ruling over all this time since crucifixion was indeed the whole world.
And that when He returns, He will melt the heaven & earth & create a new earth wherein He will place His resurrected saints.All this taking place whilst Christ is still in the air with His saints, that is, the melting of the earth.
And the unbelievers, which are heathens, on that day, will be no more.
Thus you say, even now, the whole world is at this very moment is being ruled by Christ.
I say to this, the scriptures disagree with you.
In Zechariah 14, we see certain events being described & taking place on the day of The Lord, at His coming, events that lead up to a specific declaration which concerns world rule of which world you say Christ is right now ruling…however, regardless of what you say, scripture says differently which we shall soon see.
Zechariah 14:1 >Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Verse 1 is the warning, behold, the day of The Lord is coming.
Notice this warning comes with a further warning, an explicit singling out: “and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee”….WHOSE spoil? Who is this extended warning explicitly directed at? THY spoil? Who is THY?2 >For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Here we see that before that day of The Lord comes, that all nations will gather against Jerusalem & take her.
Notice the houses in Jerusalem are “rifled”, this means ransacked.
That means that treasures, which are valuables, are being taken from those houses…those houses of Jerusalem's!!
That is otherwise known as the SPOILS of war.
So verse 1, the explicit & extended warning concerning being SPOILED was being directed at…ISRAEL.
Israel whose inhabitants have their houses RIFLED during that attack.
HER spoil (treasures/valuables) being gathered in her midst by her conquerors.
All this BEFORE the DAY of The Lord…before Christ appears in the clouds.But how long before Christ's actual coming does this attack take place?
3 >Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
No specific time line here except that “it” (Christ's 2nd coming) will only take place “then”…that is, AFTER Israel gets conquered by the will of ALL NATIONS. We read on
4 >And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 >And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
Now i could be deceptive here and say “See, the world is NOT MELTED whilst Christ is in the CLOUDS, because Jesus STANDS on the very UNMELTED Mount of Olives which He STANDS on taking place AFTER His coming in the clouds”…and your rendering of the MELTING of the earth taking place from the CLOUDS would be DEBUNKED.
Luckily for you, I am not deceptive.
Because Christ does NOT physically STAND on the Mount in this disguised & purposely misleading prophecy at this point of cleaving.
How do I know?
I will show you…Notice that AFTER Christ has the Mount of Olives cleaved open, His people begin to flee through the valley created…so they are NOT being taken into the clouds to meet Christ, but are instead FLEEING through this violently created valley…
Then notice what is said to happen whilst those Israelites are FLEEING…”and the LORD my God SHALL COME, and all the saints with thee.So if Christ COMES when they are FLEEING…WHO just CLEAVED the Mount of Olives?
Because as we just read, Christ does NOT appear with His saints at His 2nd coming UNTIL those Israelites are FLEEING through that valley!!
Otherwise, Christ's 2nd coming would actually be His 3rd coming because He was just “standing” on the Mount of Olives even BEFORE He came in the clouds!!
So “Christ standing” on Mount Olive has another meaning here, but this is not needing explaining in this debate & your MELTED EARTH taking place at His coming in the clouds analyses has not yet been DEBUNKED.
So we read on…6 >And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
As we just read, in “that day”, “that day” when the Israelites are FLEEING through that violently created valley, Christ & His saints will COME.
So on “that very day” when they are FLEEING, the LIGHT shall not be clear NOR dark…so it is GREY…like the “grey” before dawn or before dusk…that is, late evening or early morning.
This event is happening ON THAT DAY…the DAY of the 2nd COMING!!
The 2nd coming takes place when those Israelites are FLEEING through that valley.
But another question arises here…WHEN does this FLEEING take place?
BEFORE or DURING the attack on Israel when she gets CONQUERED & SPOILED…OR…some time AFTER that defeat?That 2besee, will have to WAIT for my next DEBUNKING of your analyses, because here cometh the DEBUNKING that Christ is right NOW ruling planet earth…that this world in which we live today is being ruled by Christ since His ascension as stated by YOU…
7 >But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
Here is the 2nd coming…it will occur ONE DAY KNOWN TO THE LORD (sound familiar) and this ONE DAY will be taking place during the EVENING…SOME FUTURE UNKNOWN DAY taking place during SOME UNKNOWN EVENING yet to come…meaning THAT DAY of The Lord…THAT 2nd COMING.
And on THAT DAY of the 2nd coming, this will happen:8 >And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
So on THAT DAY, LIVING WATERS shall go out FROM Jerusalem, and these WATERS will be ON THAT DAY accomplishing something that takes place BETWEEN TWO SEAS!!
Hmmmmmm…..
And in SUMMER & in WINTER shall it be!!
Hmmmmmm…
What could that mean?
Hmmmmmm…
No talk of the whole world here…just a very vauge & LOCALISED EVENT taking place at the COMING concerning LIVING WATERS “flowing” OUT of Jerusalem BETWEEN TWO SEAS!!
Hmmmmmm….
Notice there was NO talk of MELTING the earth here either?
Just a SPREADING FORTH of LIVING WATERS taking place between TWO ve
ry UNMELTED SEAS occurring AGTER Christ has already COME!!
Hmmmmmm…
But lets leave this mystery for now, for we still don't have solid confirmation within those verses (solid enough for some but not for others) to debunk your MELTING analyses taking place at the coming whilst still in the CLOUDS on that same ONE day.Thus we are forced to continue & your earth being MELTED whilst Christ is in the clouds still stands for now…
However, that being said, here below we find our FIRST clear CONTRADICTION in scripture AGAINST what YOU declared: “That Christ has already been RULING the world SINCE His ascension…Sitting on His throne of glory ruling His world KINGDOM from HEAVEN.
9 >And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
“AND THE LORD SHALL BE KING OVER ALL THE EARTH”…
WHEN The Lord becomes KING over ALL THE EARTH…
“Shall be King”…SHALL…meaning…WILL…meaning NOT YET…BUT WILL…SHALL BE KING…“IN THAT DAY”
In THAT DAY WHEN Jesus BECOMES KING OF THE WHOLE WORLD…IN “THAT DAY” when those ISRAELITES WERE FLEEING, where it was NEITHER LIGHT NOR DARK, in “THAT SAME DAY” when Christ & His saints COME when THOSE ISRAELITES are FLEEING when it is neither LIGHT NOR DARK BUT AT EVENING…in “THAT VERY SAME DAY” The LORD BECOMES KING OF THE WHOLE WORLD!!
Because in THAT SAME DAY Jesus becomes KING OF THE WHOLE WORLD:
“SHALL THERE BE ONE LORD, AND HIS NAME ONE”.
THAT DAY of His COMING, that SAME DAY that the Mount of Olives was CLEAVED on that SAME DAY Israelites were FLEEING through that created VALLEY being the SAME DAY where it was NEITHER LIGHT NOR DARK happening on the SAME DAY that CHRIST AND HIS SAINTS COME when those Israelites were FLEEING during the EVENING…on that very SAME DAY we read that the WORLD will finally be under ONE LORD…JESUS THE CHRIST who on THAT DAY becomes KING OF THE WHOLE WORLD…THAT DAY…ONE LORD…ONE KING…Jesus the Christ!!…
ON THAT DAY!
THAT SAME DAY OF HIS COMING WHERE ALL THOSE EVENTS TOOK PLACE 2besee….
THAT DAY!!Which ONLY means that Jesus is NOT RIGHT NOW RULING THE WHOLE WORLD which means that SATANS KINGDOM HAS NOT YET ENDED which means that there is CURRENTLY MORE than ONE LORD RULING THE WORLD RIGHT NOW which goes AGAINST YOUR ANALYSES and YOUR statement that Christ is right NOW RULING THIS WORLD & has been RULING since ascension…
THAT OPINION has JUST been… DEBUNKED.One down.
To be continued…
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 10 2013,19:24) Hi Devo. Dont you think its a bit of an overkill there?
Ha ha ha.
wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,21:40) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,21:36) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,21:33) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,23:17) One question, “To execute judgment upon all” (Jude 1:15)
Does “The Law” execute judgment upon all?
Please do not attempt top dodge this question,
you may only choose one of the three answers: (HA Ha ha ha ha) after all, it is a fair question, you know!- Yes
- No
- I don't know
THIS IS THE NEW DUMB RULE HERE YOU KNOW, you can thank T8 for it!
God Bless
Ed J
Ed,Really?
Well my answer would be “I do not know”!
Good choice.
Hi 2Besee,And here's why: “No” is clearly the wrong answer and since you choose NOT to agree
with me that “Yes” is the correct answer; that leaves “I don't know” as your only choice.See isn't this “FUN”.
God bless
Ed J
Hi 2Besee,“I don't know” is clearly the right answer for you,
because you have not yet realized that correct answer is “Yes”!The Law does in fact execute judgment upon all!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2013,06:02) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,16:42) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,21:40) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,23:35) Hi 2Besee, Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your epiphany.
Thank you Ed.But, what i know to be true, as revealed, I trust as truth, and nothing will move me from it.
Even if I cannot explain it.
Hi 2Besee,Yes, time will; as it has done before to you.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjif time does not works for you why would you think it would work on others
Hi Pierre,I have adjusted my view over time,
are you suggesting that you have not?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Feb. 10 2013,11:08) edj. WE ARE ALL NUMBERED NOW BY MEN.
AND YOU ARE GOING FURTHER, BY ALSO NUMBERING ALL THE HOST OF HEAVEN.WE ARE HUMANS,NOT NUMBERS.
GOD IS ALL MIGHTY AND NOT A NUMBER.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,David's sin was numbering those who were suppose to be on his side.
You DON'T COUNT TRAITORS in with God's elect, that my friend was David's sin.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 11 2013,03:46) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 10 2013,11:08) edj. WE ARE ALL NUMBERED NOW BY MEN.
AND YOU ARE GOING FURTHER, BY ALSO NUMBERING ALL THE HOST OF HEAVEN.WE ARE HUMANS,NOT NUMBERS.
GOD IS ALL MIGHTY AND NOT A NUMBER.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,David's sin was numbering those who were suppose to be on his side.
You DON'T COUNT TRAITORS in with God's elect, that my friend was David's sin.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDj.Thats just your perception.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
Did you ever read the book of Numbers?
Were the Children of Israel doing something wrong when they counted everyone?
Please answer “Yes”, “No”, or “I don't know”; I'm not interested
in the same old dull speeches you like to give.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd wrote:[/quote]
Quote I'm not interested
in the same old dull speeches you like to give.
I see you're becoming very humble Ed?
Blossoming more and more each day
Hi Georgie,
What's your answer to my question?
And I love you too!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,22:39) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2013,06:02) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,16:42) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,21:40) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,23:35) Hi 2Besee, Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your epiphany.
Thank you Ed.But, what i know to be true, as revealed, I trust as truth, and nothing will move me from it.
Even if I cannot explain it.
Hi 2Besee,Yes, time will; as it has done before to you.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjif time does not works for you why would you think it would work on others
Hi Pierre,I have adjusted my view over time,
are you suggesting that you have not?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjI haven see it yet in the three years I know you ,but it must have been before my time I guess,right
you are still entangled in your believes and have not change them sins then ,and so truth is what to youQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2013,15:07) edj (1) I haven see it yet in the three years I know you ,but it must have been before my time I guess,right
(2) you are still entangled in your believes and have not change them sins then ,and so truth is what to you
Hi Pierre,1) Yep
2) That's not very nice.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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