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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2013,13:48) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,06:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2013,18:58) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 06 2013,15:02) j42 Quote Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. his this scripture not fulfilled
Terra.Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem AGAIN.
You first,answer the question.
Is that fulfilled.Y/N?wakeup.
Terra?wakeup.
wupyes it his ,did not Jesus came to Israel and did he not chose to go and preach in Jerusalem in Judah,
now did not Christ picked his people that will be in the new Jerusalem
(heavenly)did he will not rebuilt the structure of Israel on the new earth and the new heaven ;and his this not to become to pass soon???
ARE NOT ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE NEW EARTH GOD CHOSEN PEOPLE ,JUST LIKE IT WAS FOR Israel, AND BASED ON THE PROMISE OF OUR FAITH IN HIS SON.
Terra.1.Jesus first coming was not to choose Jerusalem **AGAIN**.
When he died,the curtain in the temple *split in half*.
God has *broken the covenant* with the jews.(finish for just a moment) God said.This is the total opposite of what you are saying.
2.The covenant has shifted to the gentiles.
3.The gentiles also did not keep the covenant,they have gone astray,like the jews did.4. Jesus will come back again to sift out the corn from the weed. there is more weed than corn.
5 He will start his kingdom with the corn,for a 1000yrs.
without satan.6. Jerusalem AGAIN will be in Gods focus.
wakeup.
terraricca,Feb. wrote:[/quote]
Terra,Quote I will see 2bee respond on this Why? Can't you read it for yourself?
Unbelievable!!
How petty of you.Quote But you did that to me Oh get over it!!
Look how quickly 2besee jumped to conclusions and was wrong…that was TWICE he did it now & both times he was wrong & I was innocent.No doubt the same thing you're accusing me of happened between us.
Either that, or I said what the actual scripture meant and attributed it to you, but I don't expect you to work that one out.
Sometimes people like being the victim, and I can say nothing to appease those types once victimhood kicks in now can I.Quote And as for God being in heaven his the scriptures does not say that the heaven is his home Yes it does.What on earth are you on about Terra?
I am ESTABLISHING what the Father is doing in 2besee's interpretation whilst certain events are taking place.
That is WHY I am asking Him about the Father!
Of course He is in heaven!!
Good grief.Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 07 2013,19:52) 2besee, YES you DID say that!
LOOK at the CONTEXT!!
What have I been asking you about?
THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST.
We've established it is to be here on earth so I asked where will the Father be during all of these EVENTS…Christ returning to His kingdom, the earth being melted etc etcYOU DID SAY IN HEAVEN
Quote Q: WHO is DOING the melting and MAKING the new earth?…Christ or the Father?
A: How was it in the beginning?
By the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water, through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 2nd Peter 3:5-7Quote
Q: Where is the Father?A: The Father is in Heaven.
Then, in the new heaven and the new earth, there is no need for the sun or the moon to shine upon it for the glory of God shall shine and illuminate it and it's lamp shall be the Lamb, Revelation 21:1,4, and 23.
Q: If Jesus is only going to sit on His throne of glory when He comes (THEN shall He sit on the throne of His glory, WHEN He comes), then what throne is He sitting on at the moment?
NO.
Jesus is RIGHT NOW ON HIS THRONE.Our WHOLE exchange has been about the kingdom, I was asking where the Father was when all this was taking place.
Again, you said heaven.
So you see, I did not put words into your mouth.Thank you.
Devolution, no, you attributed me as saying:
Quote * The Father is in heaven during all of this And you quoted it as a quote from me, but i never said or meant that. I never said that God was in heaven *during all of this*.
You asked me:
Quote Q: WHO is DOING the melting and MAKING the new earth?…Christ or the Father? Which I thought was a silly question, but never the less, answered it, as follows:
Quote A: How was it in the beginning? By the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water, through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 2nd Peter 3:5-7And then you asked as the next question:
Quote Q: Where is the Father? I never thought that you meant while all of that is going on. What a silly question. When you asked “where is the Father” my answer was:
Quote A: The Father is in Heaven. Then, in the new heaven and the new earth, there is no need for the sun or the moon to shine upon it for the glory of God shall shine and illuminate it and it's lamp shall be the Lamb, Revelation 21:1,4, and 23.
But you quoted me as saying:
Quote * The Father is in heaven during all of this But I never said that.
Maybe if you asked the question “where is the Father during all of this” then I would have understood. But you didn't. You just said “where is the Father”
I showed a family member the questions, and they agree that they are odd questions (even though they believe as you!).
Hi Devo,
I said:
Quote Hi Devolution, You got all of it right except for the last quote which I never said. Can you please not quote as if I said something which I did not. You wrote that not me.
Apart from that, thanks.
Will post later.
That could have been the end of it, you could have said something like “I see that now — my apologies for quoting something you never said (perhaps I should not have put it in quote boxes)”
But instead you “said”:
Quote Stop calling us liars.
You don't even know what you're talking about okay.
Maybe if you understood half the scriptures you quote then you'd see that we're commenting on THEIR meaning and attributing them to YOU.
So stop bearing false witness.2besee,
YES you DID say that!
LOOK at the CONTEXT!!
What have I been asking you about?
THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST.
We've established it is to be here on earth so I asked where will the Father be during all of these EVENTS…Christ returning to His kingdom, the earth being melted etc etcYOU DID SAY IN HEAVEN
And then after that you said again to T:
Quote Oh get over it!!
Look how quickly 2besee jumped to conclusions and was wrong…that was TWICE he did it now & both times he was wrong & I was innocent.No doubt the same thing you're accusing me of happened between us.
Either that, or I said what the actual scripture meant and attributed it to you, but I don't expect you to work that one out.
Sometimes people like being the victim, and I can say nothing to appease those types once victimhood kicks in now can I.
————–
Where were we…………
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 08 2013,16:30) Hi Devo, I said:
Quote Hi Devolution, You got all of it right except for the last quote which I never said. Can you please not quote as if I said something which I did not. You wrote that not me.
Apart from that, thanks.
Will post later.
That could have been the end of it, you could have said something like “I see that now — my apologies for quoting something you never said (perhaps I should not have put it in quote boxes)”
But instead you “said”:
Quote Stop calling us liars.
You don't even know what you're talking about okay.
Maybe if you understood half the scriptures you quote then you'd see that we're commenting on THEIR meaning and attributing them to YOU.
So stop bearing false witness.2besee,
YES you DID say that!
LOOK at the CONTEXT!!
What have I been asking you about?
THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST.
We've established it is to be here on earth so I asked where will the Father be during all of these EVENTS…Christ returning to His kingdom, the earth being melted etc etcYOU DID SAY IN HEAVEN
And then after that you said again to T:
Quote Oh get over it!!
Look how quickly 2besee jumped to conclusions and was wrong…that was TWICE he did it now & both times he was wrong & I was innocent.No doubt the same thing you're accusing me of happened between us.
Either that, or I said what the actual scripture meant and attributed it to you, but I don't expect you to work that one out.
Sometimes people like being the victim, and I can say nothing to appease those types once victimhood kicks in now can I.————–
Where were we…………
2besee,My questions to you are good questions which you & your family member will find out soon enough.
I know why I asked them is all that matters.
So if you could just answer my last set of questions on the previous page of this post, I can get to work on answering you.
I regret my outburst, but I had my reasons…I'm just going to ignore all smart alek comments & accusations & the people making them from now on.
If you answer today, I can get to work putting together my answer for posting sometime tonight when I have a spare few hours.
Thanks.
Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 09 2013,11:59) 2besee, I'm just going to ignore all smart alek comments & accusations & the people making them from now on.
Thanks.
Hi Devolution, I doubt you can control yourself!“the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak” (Matt 26:41)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,15:40) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2013,13:48) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,06:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2013,18:58) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 06 2013,15:02) j42 Quote Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. his this scripture not fulfilled
Terra.Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem AGAIN.
You first,answer the question.
Is that fulfilled.Y/N?wakeup.
Terra?wakeup.
wupyes it his ,did not Jesus came to Israel and did he not chose to go and preach in Jerusalem in Judah,
now did not Christ picked his people that will be in the new Jerusalem
(heavenly)did he will not rebuilt the structure of Israel on the new earth and the new heaven ;and his this not to become to pass soon???
ARE NOT ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE NEW EARTH GOD CHOSEN PEOPLE ,JUST LIKE IT WAS FOR Israel, AND BASED ON THE PROMISE OF OUR FAITH IN HIS SON.
Terra.1.Jesus first coming was not to choose Jerusalem **AGAIN**.
When he died,the curtain in the temple *split in half*.
God has *broken the covenant* with the jews.(finish for just a moment) God said.This is the total opposite of what you are saying.
2.The covenant has shifted to the gentiles.
3.The gentiles also did not keep the covenant,they have gone astray,like the jews did.4. Jesus will come back again to sift out the corn from the weed. there is more weed than corn.
5 He will start his kingdom with the corn,for a 1000yrs.
without satan.6. Jerusalem AGAIN will be in Gods focus.
wakeup.
WupYou should read more your scriptures ,Christ came to lay the foundation down for the real Israel and Jerusalem, we're he his the king of ,
His he not sitting on the throne of David
And was David not the king of Israel, And did David not ruled from Jerusalem This his kindergarten stuff
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2013,18:06) Wup You should read more your scriptures ,Christ came to lay the foundation down for the real Israel and Jerusalem, we're he his the king of ,
His he not sitting on the throne of David
And was David not the king of Israel, And did David not ruled from Jerusalem This his kindergarten stuff
Excellent post Pierre!Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Devolution @ Feb. 06 2013,23:31) * That the saints & the angels will come with Christ at His appearing. By saints i take it you mean resurrected Christians, therefore which saints come with Christ at His appearing, ALL of them…every resurrected Christian…or a certain numbers worth…OR…those out of every human that has ever lived on planet earth?
With the Saints and the Angels.
Regarding the Saints:
Jude 1
“And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints”These would be the resurrected Saints who are now in Heaven.
Surely these would be the 144000 from every tribe of the sons of Israel.LOOK:
Rev 14,4-7
It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless.
Then I saw another angel flying in midheaven, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people.
Quote Appearing = coming in the clouds…descending into our atmosphere. YES.
Quote *Christ is returning to HIS KINGDOM at His 2nd coming.
*That His kingdom has sinners in it.
*That those sinners get gathered out of that kingdom of Christ's.
*And that that kingdom is here on earth.By His kingdom do you mean the whole world, or the land of Israel?
THE WORLD.
Quote *On the Day of The Lord, the end of the world as we know it will occur & the eternal state commence.
* The WORD will melt the heavens & the earthBy Day of The Lord, do you mean that in one literal day the heavens & the earth get melted when Christ appears in the air with His resurrected saints…is that what you mean by “the end of the world as we know it”…all happening on that ONE literal day?
YES.
Quote By the Word doing the melting & creating, so you mean Jesus, or the actual word being spoken by the Father Himself, that word that is IN the Father…which word do you mean? GOD'S WILL.
IN THE BEGINNING GOD MADE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH THROUGH HIS SPIRIT AND HIS WORD. GOD SPOKE AND IT WAS SO.Quote
Does the Father stay in heaven when Jesus sits on His throne of glory in His kingdom here on earth at His 2nd coming?
Or, how long passes before the Father joins His Son in this kingdom on earth that Christ is returning to?The “throne of his glory” means that he will come as the king and the judge.
Do you take as an actual material throne?
———–
God is Spirit.
AND IN THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH, WHICH IS SOON TO COME, GOD WILL BE WITH US. “BEHOLD – THE DWELLING OF GOD IS WITH MAN – THEY SHALL DWELL WITH HIM AND THEY SHALL BE HIS PEOPLE – GOD HIMSELF WILL BE WITH THEM – HE WILL WIPE AWAY EVERY TEAR FROM THEIR EYES, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away.
Behold, I make all things new.
I hope that answered your questions Devo.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,19:23) With the Saints and the Angels.
Regarding the Saints:Jude 1
“And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints“
Hi 2Besee,This has already been fulfilled, it is NOT futuristic; you've been lied to by the systems of religion: (Enoch, then Moses)
“And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; HE
shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.” (Deuteronomy 33:2)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd,
The Heavenly Jerusalem coming down from Heaven onto the New Earth is the coming of the Saints. Believe it or not!
The descent of all of the saints, with Jesus, from the third heaven, into the air, where the living saints will meet them.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,20:01) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,19:43) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,19:23) With the Saints and the Angels.
Regarding the Saints:Jude 1
“And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints“
Hi 2Besee,This has already been fulfilled, it is NOT futuristic; you've been lied to by the systems of religion: (Enoch, then Moses)
“And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; HE
shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.” (Deuteronomy 33:2)God bless
Ed J
Ed,The Heavenly Jerusalem coming down from Heaven onto the New Earth is the coming of the Saints. Believe it or not!
The descent of all of the saints, with Jesus, from the third heaven, into the air, where the living saints will meet them.
Hi 2Besee,So you reject what Scripture actually says
in favor of what it does NOT say; how odd.
The systems of religion have lied to you 2B.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,21:10) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,20:01) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,19:43) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,19:23) With the Saints and the Angels.
Regarding the Saints:Jude 1
“And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints“
Hi 2Besee,This has already been fulfilled, it is NOT futuristic; you've been lied to by the systems of religion: (Enoch, then Moses)
“And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; HE
shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.” (Deuteronomy 33:2)God bless
Ed J
Ed,The Heavenly Jerusalem coming down from Heaven onto the New Earth is the coming of the Saints. Believe it or not!
The descent of all of the saints, with Jesus, from the third heaven, into the air, where the living saints will meet them.
Hi 2Besee,So you reject what Scripture actually says
in favor of what it does NOT say; how odd.
The systems of religion have lied to you 2B.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
One question,“To execute judgment upon all” (Jude 1:15)
Does “The Law” execute judgment upon all?
Please do not attempt top dodge this question,
you may only choose one of the three answers: (HA Ha ha ha ha) after all, it is a fair question, you know!- Yes
- No
- I don't know
THIS IS THE NEW DUMB RULE HERE YOU KNOW, you can thank T8 for it!
God Bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,20:03) Do you think it is a building or a city coming down and landing on earth?
Hi 2Besee,Neither, it's correct “Spiritual” understanding.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,23:10) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,20:01) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,19:43) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,19:23) With the Saints and the Angels.
Regarding the Saints:Jude 1
“And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints“
Hi 2Besee,This has already been fulfilled, it is NOT futuristic; you've been lied to by the systems of religion: (Enoch, then Moses)
“And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; HE
shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.” (Deuteronomy 33:2)God bless
Ed J
Ed,The Heavenly Jerusalem coming down from Heaven onto the New Earth is the coming of the Saints. Believe it or not!
The descent of all of the saints, with Jesus, from the third heaven, into the air, where the living saints will meet them.
Hi 2Besee,So you reject what Scripture actually says
in favor of what it does NOT say; how odd.
The systems of religion have lied to you 2B.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed.“The systems of religion have lied to me”?
No. That was once a moment of revelation for me (months ago),
I was thinking about something and then it all clicked and I posted….THE CAMP OF THE SAINTS THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM – THIS IS THE SAINTS THEM-SELF COMING!
Here:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….st=1010
Don't ask me to explain it to you, but at the time I knew EXACTLY what it meant!
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,23:17) One question, “To execute judgment upon all” (Jude 1:15)
Does “The Law” execute judgment upon all?
Please do not attempt top dodge this question,
you may only choose one of the three answers: (HA Ha ha ha ha) after all, it is a fair question, you know!- Yes
- No
- I don't know
THIS IS THE NEW DUMB RULE HERE YOU KNOW, you can thank T8 for it!
God Bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed,Really?
Well my answer would be “I do not know”!
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