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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,11:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 05 2013,06:15) 2Besee. Zechariah 2:1 I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand.
Zechariah 2:2 Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof.
Zechariah 2:3 And, behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him,
Zechariah 2:4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein: **TOWNS WITHOUT WALLS**
Zechariah 2:5 For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her. **THE LORD IN THE MIDS OF HER**
Zechariah 2:6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.
Zechariah 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon. **DELIVER THEY SELF O CHRISTIAN WORLD THAT DWELETH IN BABYLON**
Zechariah 2:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye. **THEM THAT ARE DELIVRED ONLY**
Zechariah 2:9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.
Zechariah 2:10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.
Zechariah 2:11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
**MANY NATIONS SHALL BE JOINED; AND THE LORD WILL DWELL IN THE MIDS**Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. ** AND SHALL CHOOSE JEARUSALEM AGAIN**
Zechariah 2:13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the LORD: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation.
YOU CAN DENY THIS CHAPTER IF IT IS NOT TO YOUR TASTE. OR BE MORE CUNNING BY TWISTING THE WORDS AROUND TO TASTE.
THE LORD SHALL CHOOSE JERUSALEM** A.G.A.I.N.**
WHERE IS YOUR JERUSALEM?? IN HEAVEN? HAS HE REJECTED HEAVENLY JERUSALEM BEFORE?JUST BRUSH IT UNDER THE CARPET,AND JUST FORGET ABOUT IT, GENERATION OF VIPERS.
wakeup.
wupthis interpretation is faulty
Terra.As I have said; what is not to your taste;just brush it under the carpet, and pretend it is not there.
You obviously dont like to see the truth in scripture,but love lying words.
What are you calling the scriptures faulty.
What is there, is in your bible also,unless you own a bible that has been corrupted by your masters.There is nothing faulty in the WORD OF GOD.
How wicked can you get.
Generation of vipers indeed.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 05 2013,06:53) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,11:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 05 2013,06:15) 2Besee. Zechariah 2:1 I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand.
Zechariah 2:2 Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof.
Zechariah 2:3 And, behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him,
Zechariah 2:4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein: **TOWNS WITHOUT WALLS**
Zechariah 2:5 For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her. **THE LORD IN THE MIDS OF HER**
Zechariah 2:6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.
Zechariah 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon. **DELIVER THEY SELF O CHRISTIAN WORLD THAT DWELETH IN BABYLON**
Zechariah 2:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye. **THEM THAT ARE DELIVRED ONLY**
Zechariah 2:9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.
Zechariah 2:10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.
Zechariah 2:11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
**MANY NATIONS SHALL BE JOINED; AND THE LORD WILL DWELL IN THE MIDS**Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. ** AND SHALL CHOOSE JEARUSALEM AGAIN**
Zechariah 2:13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the LORD: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation.
YOU CAN DENY THIS CHAPTER IF IT IS NOT TO YOUR TASTE. OR BE MORE CUNNING BY TWISTING THE WORDS AROUND TO TASTE.
THE LORD SHALL CHOOSE JERUSALEM** A.G.A.I.N.**
WHERE IS YOUR JERUSALEM?? IN HEAVEN? HAS HE REJECTED HEAVENLY JERUSALEM BEFORE?JUST BRUSH IT UNDER THE CARPET,AND JUST FORGET ABOUT IT, GENERATION OF VIPERS.
wakeup.
wupthis interpretation is faulty
Terra.As I have said; what is not to your taste;just brush it under the carpet, and pretend it is not there.
You obviously dont like to see the truth in scripture,but love lying words.
What are you calling the scriptures faulty.
What is there, is in your bible also,unless you own a bible that has been corrupted by your masters.There is nothing faulty in the WORD OF GOD.
How wicked can you get.
Generation of vipers indeed.wakeup.
wupI said your interpretation not scriptures ,his faulty
Terra.
What my interpretation?
I have just highlighted the important parts.
I did not write zech.ch.2.I have just given explanations to have your eyes opened,
so you can see what you read.wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 04 2013,19:23) Devo, Q. Where is the Camp of the Saints?
Q. Where is the Beloved City?
2besee,The camp of the saints is a nickname.
Do you think we wouldn't be aware of this:Revelation 20:9>And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
They are the same place.
This is the “camp” where the physical Jews will live whilst being taught Christs covenant.
That beloved & very physical city of Jerusalem.Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 05 2013,23:03) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 04 2013,19:23) Devo, Q. Where is the Camp of the Saints?
Q. Where is the Beloved City?
2besee,The camp of the saints is a nickname.
Do you think we wouldn't be aware of this:Revelation 20:9>And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
They are the same place.
This is the “camp” where the physical Jews will live whilst being taught Christs covenant.
That beloved & very physical city of Jerusalem.
Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.Quote (2besee @ Feb. 05 2013,09:10) Devo, Your questions are like a LABYRINTH, a confusing maze, in which there is no way out.
Quote
Q: WHO is DOING the melting and MAKING the new earth?…Christ or the Father?How was it in the beginning?
By the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water, through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 2nd Peter 3:5-7Quote Q: Where is the Father? The Father is in Heaven.
Then, in the new heaven and the new earth, there is no need for the sun or the moon to shine upon it for the glory of God shall shine and illuminate it and it's lamp shall be the Lamb, Revelation 21:1,4, and 23.
Quote Q: If Jesus is only going to sit on His throne of glory when He comes (THEN shall He sit on the throne of His glory, WHEN He comes), then what throne is He sitting on at the moment? NO.
Jesus is RIGHT NOW ON HIS THRONE.Now could you please answer my questions.
Where is the Beloved City
And where is The Camp of the Saints?I have my answer, but I would to see yours.
2besee,Quote Your questions are like a LABYRINTH, a confusing maze, in which there is no way out. “A confusing maze with no way out?”
Well, it may seem that way to you, after all, I made this labyrinth with my questions remember, but I assure you, I got exactly what I expected in your answers.
So 2morrow after work ill mix up some more cement for the perimeter walls encircling this maze so you can have an extended stay…on the house of course.
Chow.
Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 05 2013,23:12) Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 05 2013,23:03) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 04 2013,19:23) Devo, Q. Where is the Camp of the Saints?
Q. Where is the Beloved City?
2besee,The camp of the saints is a nickname.
Do you think we wouldn't be aware of this:Revelation 20:9>And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
They are the same place.
This is the “camp” where the physical Jews will live whilst being taught Christs covenant.
That beloved & very physical city of Jerusalem.
Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.
Hi Journey.They maybe thought that heavenly Jerusalem was rejected before, and CHOSEN AGAIN.
This is always possible knowing the confusion thats going on.The spirit, the spirit is not there.
The will is there but the spirit is missing.I call it a spiritual vacuum.Or may be you need to write the word **again** a 100x.
maybe then it will sink in their brains.
There is a spiritual blockage; the spirit can not pass into the brain.The spirit of this world has totally flooded mans thinking.
But we know how it goes,its all God.
No man can come to me, unless the Father draws him.
Thats all there is to it.Have a wonderful spiritual day.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 06 2013,09:03) Devo, yes, chow. Keep working on your labyrinth I cannot post right now in reply.
2busy!j42
Quote Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. his this scripture not fulfilled
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 06 2013,15:02) j42 Quote Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. his this scripture not fulfilled
Terra.Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem AGAIN.
You first,answer the question.
Is that fulfilled.Y/N?wakeup.
Hi 2besee,
These are your agreed upon answers below, I just need to clarify a few more points within those answers to make sure I'm hearing you properly & I don't get accused of twisting your words…because some answers are still a bit vague…all i need is a little more information & I will be ready to answer you.
Quote * That the saints & the angels will come with Christ at His appearing. By saints i take it you mean resurrected Christians, therefore which saints come with Christ at His appearing, ALL of them…every resurrected Christian…or a certain numbers worth…OR…those out of every human that has ever lived on planet earth?
Appearing = coming in the clouds…descending into our atmosphere.Quote *Christ is returning to HIS KINGDOM at His 2nd coming.
*That His kingdom has sinners in it.
*That those sinners get gathered out of that kingdom of Christ's.
*And that that kingdom is here on earth.By His kingdom do you mean the whole world, or the land of Israel?
Quote * Jesus will sit on His throne of glory at His coming.
* Jesus is right now, and has been all this time since ascension, sitting on His throne of Glory in heavenYou agreed that Jesus sits on His throne of glory at His coming, where will this throne be placed?
Is it the same throne He was sitting on in heaven?Quote *On the Day of The Lord, the end of the world as we know it will occur & the eternal state commence.
* The WORD will melt the heavens & the earthBy Day of The Lord, do you mean that in one literal day the heavens & the earth get melted when Christ appears in the air with His resurrected saints…is that what you mean by “the end of the world as we know it”…all happening on that ONE literal day?
By the Word doing the melting & creating, so you mean Jesus, or the actual word being spoken by the Father Himself, that word that is IN the Father…which word do you mean?
Quote * The Father is in heaven during all of this By this, do you mean that the Father stays in heaven whilst Christ melts the heavens & the earth & makes new heaven & earth?
Does the Father stay in heaven when Jesus sits on His throne of glory in His kingdom here on earth at His 2nd coming?
Or, how long passes before the Father joins His Son in this kingdom on earth that Christ is returning to?Thanks.
Hi Devolution,
You got all of it right except for the last quote which I never said. Can you please not quote as if I said something which I did not. You wrote that not me.
Apart from that, thanks.
Will post later.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2013,18:58) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 06 2013,15:02) j42 Quote Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. his this scripture not fulfilled
Terra.Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem AGAIN.
You first,answer the question.
Is that fulfilled.Y/N?wakeup.
Terra?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,06:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 06 2013,18:58) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 06 2013,15:02) j42 Quote Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. his this scripture not fulfilled
Terra.Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem AGAIN.
You first,answer the question.
Is that fulfilled.Y/N?wakeup.
Terra?wakeup.
wupyes it his ,did not Jesus came to Israel and did he not chose to go and preach in Jerusalem in Judah,
now did not Christ picked his people that will be in the new Jerusalem
(heavenly)did he will not rebuilt the structure of Israel on the new earth and the new heaven ;and his this not to become to pass soon???
ARE NOT ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE NEW EARTH GOD CHOSEN PEOPLE ,JUST LIKE IT WAS FOR Israel, AND BASED ON THE PROMISE OF OUR FAITH IN HIS SON.
Quote (2besee @ Feb. 06 2013,16:54) Hi Devolution, You got all of it right except for the last quote which I never said. Can you please not quote as if I said something which I did not. You wrote that not me.
Apart from that, thanks.
Will post later.
2beethis seems to be one of their trade marks,tell things you never said
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 06 2013,15:02) j42 Quote Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. his this scripture not fulfilled
Hi PierreLook at what these verses are speaking about. I am going to try and see them through your eyes, (if I am wrong, how you see it, then correct me) I will show you how I see these scriptures through my eyes because you have asked me, and I can't just go to that one particular verse, but also the lead up to it, so please bear with me.
Zechariah 2:4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, JERUSALEM shall be inhabited as TOWNS WITHOUT WALLS for the multitude of men and CATTLE therein.
You may think this was to happen when Christ first came and that it is speaking of spiritual Jerusalem? the believers?
I say cannot be, because the apostles were killed, and followers persecuted. Their lives were touched by the enemy.
I see this as a prophesy concerning the 1000 years rest on Christ's return. The holy camp where Christ, the Israelites and the saints are dwelling (rev 20:9)
the kingdom area (rev 21:10-5)
Nothing can harm these people as the Lord is the wall and defends the city.CATTLE;
There are cattle inside this area. Look who comes to steal it after the 1000 years has expired, ….GOG & MAGOG…Ezekiel 38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
Zechariah 2:5 For I , saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.
Again, the Lord will be the defence of this city, that has multitudes of people in it, (Israel) and cattle, so there is flesh there.
Zechariah 2:6 Ho, ho, come forth, and FLEE from the LAND OF THE NORTH, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.
Do you think this is history for us now? I see it as the false prophet. He will come from the North and attack Israel and her neighbours
…. Isaiah 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
Jeremiah 1:14 Then the LORD said unto me, Out of the north an evil shall break forth upon all the inhabitants of the land.
Jeremiah 1:15 For, lo, I will call all the families of the kingoms of the north, saith the LORD, and they shall come, and they shall set ..EVERY ONE HIS THRONE at the entering of the gates of Jerusalem, and against all the walls thereof round about, and against all the cities of Judah.
.I believe this to be the 10 kings. EVERY ONE ON HIS THRONE
..Jeremiah 1:18 For behold, I have made thee THIS DAY a DEFENSED CITY, and an iron pillar, and brazen walls against the whole land, against the kings of Judah, against the princes thereof, against the priests thereof, and against the people of the land.
Jeremiah 1:19 And they shall fight against thee; but they shall not prevail against thee; for I am with thee, saith the LORD, to DELIVER THEE.
…This will happen at the coming of the LORD. Christ will come and intervene, and stop that war there in Israel, (or else no flesh would be saved) and stop the occupation of Israels enemies, and from this day on Israel will be protected.
Zechariah 2:7Deliver thyself, O Zion that dwellest with the DAUGHTER OF BABYLON.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out ofher, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Zechariah 2:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you; for he that toucheth you touch the apple of his eye.
After the glory is the 2nd coming of Christ. Revenge time, on Babylon. For they harmed the saints.
Zechariah 2:9 For, Behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants; and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.
They will be cast down in front of their servants. Those they ruled over. The high ones will be brought so low (the cedar trees) and cut down.
Zechariah 2:10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion; for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.
The apple of God's eye. Daughter of Zion. Goose bumps on me now!
Zechariah 2:11 And MANY NATIONS shall be joined to the LORD in THAT DAY, and shall be MY PEOPLE; and I will DWELL in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.
Do you think this happened when Christ died and rose? Well on THAT DAY, It hadn't yet gone out to the gentiles. THAT DAY, is the day when Christ returns. Christ will be king of kings. It will be glorious day.
Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall INHERIT Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall CHOOSE JERUSALEM AGAIN.
This is when Judah (Jerusalem) will be given over to Christ. Jerusalem was chosen before in the beginning, with the Garden of Eden. It will be restored physically, and spiritually. It started there, and will end there.
… Isaiah 51:3 For the LORD shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like EDEN, and her desert like the GARDEN OF THE LORD; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.
.Every verse in the above, I can connect to other scriptures, and know exactly where it all fits in. It was't learn't in a day, but has taken me a long time to see that picture, and I had to see it for myself. Before that, these scriptures were a blurr, …I couldn't discern much from past to future, but now they make sense to me, and all that confusion is now so simple.
Terra,
Quote 2bee
this seems to be one of their trade marks,tell things you never saidKeep your insults to yourself okay.
Stop calling us liars.
You don't even know what you're talking about okay.
Maybe if you understood half the scriptures you quote then you'd see that we're commenting on THEIR meaning and attributing them to YOU.
So stop bearing false witness.2besee,
YES you DID say that!
LOOK at the CONTEXT!!
What have I been asking you about?
THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST.
We've established it is to be here on earth so I asked where will the Father be during all of these EVENTS…Christ returning to His kingdom, the earth being melted etc etcYOU DID SAY IN HEAVEN
Quote Q: WHO is DOING the melting and MAKING the new earth?…Christ or the Father?
A: How was it in the beginning?
By the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water, through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 2nd Peter 3:5-7Quote
Q: Where is the Father?A: The Father is in Heaven.
Then, in the new heaven and the new earth, there is no need for the sun or the moon to shine upon it for the glory of God shall shine and illuminate it and it's lamp shall be the Lamb, Revelation 21:1,4, and 23.
Q: If Jesus is only going to sit on His throne of glory when He comes (THEN shall He sit on the throne of His glory, WHEN He comes), then what throne is He sitting on at the moment?
NO.
Jesus is RIGHT NOW ON HIS THRONE.Our WHOLE exchange has been about the kingdom, I was asking where the Father was when all this was taking place.
Again, you said heaven.
So you see, I did not put words into your mouth.Thank you.
Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 07 2013,12:52) Terra, Quote 2bee
this seems to be one of their trade marks,tell things you never saidKeep your insults to yourself okay.
Stop calling us liars.
You don't even know what you're talking about okay.
Maybe if you understood half the scriptures you quote then you'd see that we're commenting on THEIR meaning and attributing them to YOU.
So stop bearing false witness.2besee,
YES you DID say that!
LOOK at the CONTEXT!!
What have I been asking you about?
THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST.
We've established it is to be here on earth so I asked where will the Father be during all of these EVENTS…Christ returning to His kingdom, the earth being melted etc etcYOU DID SAY IN HEAVEN
Quote Q: WHO is DOING the melting and MAKING the new earth?…Christ or the Father?
A: How was it in the beginning?
By the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water, through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 2nd Peter 3:5-7Quote
Q: Where is the Father?A: The Father is in Heaven.
Then, in the new heaven and the new earth, there is no need for the sun or the moon to shine upon it for the glory of God shall shine and illuminate it and it's lamp shall be the Lamb, Revelation 21:1,4, and 23.
Q: If Jesus is only going to sit on His throne of glory when He comes (THEN shall He sit on the throne of His glory, WHEN He comes), then what throne is He sitting on at the moment?
NO.
Jesus is RIGHT NOW ON HIS THRONE.Our WHOLE exchange has been about the kingdom, I was asking where the Father was when all this was taking place.
Again, you said heaven.
So you see, I did not put words into your mouth.Thank you.
DevoI will see 2bee respond on this,
But you did that to me,
And as for God being in heaven his the scriptures does not say that the heaven is his home
Yes it does.Just because it says that God destroy by the flood this does not mean that he came down on earth and made the flood pour down,
Christ says that without God will no one can do nothing,and God,s angels are at his service ,and Christ as been the means to accomplish his father,s will,but this does not mean that it was his will right
Christ his also a servant to his father, so should be all true believers so if God uses us then this his not our will that we do but Gods will even that we want to do God,s will it still not our decision to do what he tells us to do,does a servant commands his master
NoQuote (journey42 @ Feb. 07 2013,12:19) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 06 2013,15:02) j42 Quote Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. his this scripture not fulfilled
Hi PierreLook at what these verses are speaking about. I am going to try and see them through your eyes, (if I am wrong, how you see it, then correct me) I will show you how I see these scriptures through my eyes because you have asked me, and I can't just go to that one particular verse, but also the lead up to it, so please bear with me.
Zechariah 2:4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, JERUSALEM shall be inhabited as TOWNS WITHOUT WALLS for the multitude of men and CATTLE therein.
You may think this was to happen when Christ first came and that it is speaking of spiritual Jerusalem? the believers?
I say cannot be, because the apostles were killed, and followers persecuted. Their lives were touched by the enemy.
I see this as a prophesy concerning the 1000 years rest on Christ's return. The holy camp where Christ, the Israelites and the saints are dwelling (rev 20:9)
the kingdom area (rev 21:10-5)
Nothing can harm these people as the Lord is the wall and defends the city.CATTLE;
There are cattle inside this area. Look who comes to steal it after the 1000 years has expired, ….GOG & MAGOG…Ezekiel 38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
Zechariah 2:5 For I , saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.
Again, the Lord will be the defence of this city, that has multitudes of people in it, (Israel) and cattle, so there is flesh there.
Zechariah 2:6 Ho, ho, come forth, and FLEE from the LAND OF THE NORTH, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.
Do you think this is history for us now? I see it as the false prophet. He will come from the North and attack Israel and her neighbours
…. Isaiah 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
Jeremiah 1:14 Then the LORD said unto me, Out of the north an evil shall break forth upon all the inhabitants of the land.
Jeremiah 1:15 For, lo, I will call all the families of the kingoms of the north, saith the LORD, and they shall come, and they shall set ..EVERY ONE HIS THRONE at the entering of the gates of Jerusalem, and against all the walls thereof round about, and against all the cities of Judah.
.I believe this to be the 10 kings. EVERY ONE ON HIS THRONE
..Jeremiah 1:18 For behold, I have made thee THIS DAY a DEFENSED CITY, and an iron pillar, and brazen walls against the whole land, against the kings of Judah, against the princes thereof, against the priests thereof, and against the people of the land.
Jeremiah 1:19 And they shall fight against thee; but they shall not prevail against thee; for I am with thee, saith the LORD, to DELIVER THEE.
…This will happen at the coming of the LORD. Christ will come and intervene, and stop that war there in Israel, (or else no flesh would be saved) and stop the occupation of Israels enemies, and from this day on Israel will be protected.
Zechariah 2:7Deliver thyself, O Zion that dwellest with the DAUGHTER OF BABYLON.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out ofher, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Zechariah 2:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you; for he that toucheth you touch the apple of his eye.
After the glory is the 2nd coming of Christ. Revenge time, on Babylon. For they harmed the saints.
Zechariah 2:9 For, Behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants; and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.
They will be cast down in front of their servants. Those they ruled over. The high ones will be brought so low (the cedar trees) and cut down.
Zechariah 2:10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion; for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.
The apple of God's eye. Daughter of Zion. Goose bumps on me now!
Zechariah 2:11 And MANY NATIONS shall be joined to the LORD in THAT DAY, and shall be MY PEOPLE; and I will DWELL in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.
Do you think this happened when Christ died and rose? Well on THAT DAY, It hadn't yet gone out to the gentiles. THAT DAY, is the day when Christ returns. Christ will be king of kings. It will be glorious day.
Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall INHERIT Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall CHOOSE JERUSALEM AGAIN.
This is when Judah (Jerusalem) will be given over to Christ. Jerusalem was chosen before in the beginning, with the Garden of Eden. It will be restored physically, and spiritually. It started there, and will end there.
… Isaiah 51:3 For the LORD shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like EDEN, and her desert like the GARDEN OF THE LORD; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.
.Every verse in the above, I can connect to other scriptures, and know exactly where it all fits in. It was't learn't in a day, but has taken me a long time to see that picture, and I had to see it for myself. Before that, these scriptures were a blurr, …I couldn't discern much from past to future, but now they make sense to me, and all that confusion is now so simple.
I get back to you ,it is late ,and you ask much ,so talk to you later
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