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Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,10:33) Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 02 2013,03:36) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 01 2013,21:20) Quote Hi Terra, So are you saying that Christ is right now sitting on His throne of glory ruling in His kingdom?
John to the seven churches that are in Asia:
Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.Devo, I will have to get to your and Wakeup's posts another time.
But I know that I have addressed those things before and you never heard me then so why would you now?
Hi 2besee,
Matthew 13:41 >The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Q: Whose kingdom are the angels sent to?
Q: What are the angels sent to do?
Q: Where is this kingdom, heaven or earth?Matthew 25:31 >When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Q: Which coming is being spoken of here?
Q: Who accompanies Jesus at this coming?
Q: When does it say that Jesus will sit on His throne of glory?
Hi Devolution,
I have answered these questions with scripture time and time again in other threads, so why repeat things? I don't see the point in that.Devo,
I will answer your questions again.
But you will not hear.Quote Matthew 13:41 >The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity Quote Q: Whose kingdom are the angels sent to? The Father and the Son's kingdom.
Quote Q: What are the angels sent to do? Gather out of the kingdom all causes of sin and lawlessness.
Quote Q: Where is this kingdom, heaven or earth? Earth.
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Quote Matthew 25:31 >When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: Quote Q: Which coming is being spoken of here? The second coming – The Day of the Lord. The end of the World as we know it, and the eternal state.
Quote Q: Who accompanies Jesus at this coming? The Saints and the Angels.
Quote Q: When does it say that Jesus will sit on His throne of glory? When He comes.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,12:31) Terra. Still refusing to answer the question,because you can not.
wakeup.
WupIt is the last post on the previous page ,there is the question that you can not answer,
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2013,19:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,12:31) Terra. Still refusing to answer the question,because you can not.
wakeup.
WupIt is the last post on the previous page ,there is the question that you can not answer,
Terra.1. We have Christ resurrected first.
2. We have the 24 elders,now in heaven.
3. At the coming; the first fruits,the 144000.And the rest also at the coming,but after they have gone through the tribulation. Only them that have refused the mark.
The rest will have to wait a 1000yrs to be judged in the second judgement.Judged by the books,with the rest of the world population.
That should be clear enough.wakeup.
Hi 2besee,
Quote Matthew 13:41 >The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity Q: Whose kingdom are the angels sent to?
A: The Father and the Son's kingdom.
Yesss….Everything is the Father's 2bese, but thats not what im asking, what i am asking is : specifically speaking, WHOSE KINGDOM does the scripture say it IS?
It says the Son of Man shall send forth HIS angels to gather out of HIS KINGDOM all things that offend & do iniquity!
So it is Christs kingdom being CLEANED UP AT HIS COMING!
Because it has SINNERS IN IT.Sinners in Christs kingdom!
Which you agreed that sinners are indeed present:
Quote Q: What are the angels sent to do? A: Gather out of the kingdom all causes of sin and lawlessness.
You said “the kingdom” above, please stick to what scripture is saying…CHRIST'S KINGDOM.
So Christ returns at His 2nd coming to a sin filled kingdom, and this sin filled kingdom is His kingdom, the Son of Mans kingdom.
So this is Christs kingdom.
So Christ sends forth His angels to GATHER out of HIS CORRUPTED KINGDOM…SINNERS.
So sinners are living in this kingdom that belongs to Christ.And where are these sinners & this kingdom to be found:
Quote Q: Where is this kingdom, heaven or earth? A: Earth.
An earthly kingdom, one that has been polluted by sinners living there that finally gets cleaned out when Christ returns!
A polluted kingdom that belongs to the Son of Man.
Christs kingdom.
Here on earth.
Where sinners live.So we have established that
*Christ is returning to HIS KINGDOM at His 2nd coming.
*That His kingdom has sinners in it.
*That those sinners get gathered out of that kingdom of Christ's.
*And that that kingdom is here on earth.Okay, so before I can make a case from the established points above, (thanks for answering BTW), I need you to address the below also…
We continue:
Quote Matthew 25:31 >When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: Q: Which coming is being spoken of here?
A: The second coming – The Day of the Lord. The end of the World as we know it, and the eternal state.
“The end of the world as we know it”…
Since you believe that the earth will be melted and made new at the 2nd coming:Q: WHO is DOING the melting and MAKING the new earth?…Christ or the Father?
Quote Q: Who accompanies Jesus at this coming? A: The Saints and the Angels.
Q: Where is the Father?
Quote Q: When does it say that Jesus will sit on His throne of glory? A: When He comes.
So you agree that WHEN Christ comes, that it is THEN that He WILL SIT on His throne of glory…THEN at His 2nd coming…just as scripture declares.
Q: If Jesus is only going to sit on His throne of glory when He comes (THEN shall He sit on the throne of His glory, WHEN He comes), then what throne is He sitting on at the moment?
Thanks 2besee, I await patiently.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,14:56) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2013,19:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,12:31) Terra. Still refusing to answer the question,because you can not.
wakeup.
WupIt is the last post on the previous page ,there is the question that you can not answer,
Terra.1. We have Christ resurrected first.
2. We have the 24 elders,now in heaven.
3. At the coming; the first fruits,the 144000.And the rest also at the coming,but after they have gone through the tribulation. Only them that have refused the mark.
The rest will have to wait a 1000yrs to be judged in the second judgement.Judged by the books,with the rest of the world population.
That should be clear enough.wakeup.
wupgood ,now tell me why those are the only ones that John sees in his view
?Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 04 2013,17:14) Hi 2besee, Quote Matthew 13:41 >The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity Q: Whose kingdom are the angels sent to?
A: The Father and the Son's kingdom.
Yesss….Everything is the Father's 2bese, but thats not what im asking, what i am asking is : specifically speaking, WHOSE KINGDOM does the scripture say it IS?
It says the Son of Man shall send forth HIS angels to gather out of HIS KINGDOM all things that offend & do iniquity!
So it is Christs kingdom being CLEANED UP AT HIS COMING!
Because it has SINNERS IN IT.Sinners in Christs kingdom!
Which you agreed that sinners are indeed present:
Quote Q: What are the angels sent to do? A: Gather out of the kingdom all causes of sin and lawlessness.
You said “the kingdom” above, please stick to what scripture is saying…CHRIST'S KINGDOM.
So Christ returns at His 2nd coming to a sin filled kingdom, and this sin filled kingdom is His kingdom, the Son of Mans kingdom.
So this is Christs kingdom.
So Christ sends forth His angels to GATHER out of HIS CORRUPTED KINGDOM…SINNERS.
So sinners are living in this kingdom that belongs to Christ.And where are these sinners & this kingdom to be found:
Quote Q: Where is this kingdom, heaven or earth? A: Earth.
An earthly kingdom, one that has been polluted by sinners living there that finally gets cleaned out when Christ returns!
A polluted kingdom that belongs to the Son of Man.
Christs kingdom.
Here on earth.
Where sinners live.So we have established that
*Christ is returning to HIS KINGDOM at His 2nd coming.
*That His kingdom has sinners in it.
*That those sinners get gathered out of that kingdom of Christ's.
*And that that kingdom is here on earth.Okay, so before I can make a case from the established points above, (thanks for answering BTW), I need you to address the below also…
We continue:
Quote Matthew 25:31 >When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: Q: Which coming is being spoken of here?
A: The second coming – The Day of the Lord. The end of the World as we know it, and the eternal state.
“The end of the world as we know it”…
Since you believe that the earth will be melted and made new at the 2nd coming:Q: WHO is DOING the melting and MAKING the new earth?…Christ or the Father?
Quote Q: Who accompanies Jesus at this coming? A: The Saints and the Angels.
Q: Where is the Father?
Quote Q: When does it say that Jesus will sit on His throne of glory? A: When He comes.
So you agree that WHEN Christ comes, that it is THEN that He WILL SIT on His throne of glory…THEN at His 2nd coming…just as scripture declares.
Q: If Jesus is only going to sit on His throne of glory when He comes (THEN shall He sit on the throne of His glory, WHEN He comes), then what throne is He sitting on at the moment?
Thanks 2besee, I await patiently.
devo2bee as almost all things right ,
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,04:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,14:56) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2013,19:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,12:31) Terra. Still refusing to answer the question,because you can not.
wakeup.
WupIt is the last post on the previous page ,there is the question that you can not answer,
Terra.1. We have Christ resurrected first.
2. We have the 24 elders,now in heaven.
3. At the coming; the first fruits,the 144000.And the rest also at the coming,but after they have gone through the tribulation. Only them that have refused the mark.
The rest will have to wait a 1000yrs to be judged in the second judgement.Judged by the books,with the rest of the world population.
That should be clear enough.wakeup.
wupgood ,now tell me why those are the only ones that John sees in his view
?
Terra.
I can not help you.
Study rev.20. with all your heart.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 05 2013,01:38) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,04:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,14:56) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2013,19:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,12:31) Terra. Still refusing to answer the question,because you can not.
wakeup.
WupIt is the last post on the previous page ,there is the question that you can not answer,
Terra.1. We have Christ resurrected first.
2. We have the 24 elders,now in heaven.
3. At the coming; the first fruits,the 144000.And the rest also at the coming,but after they have gone through the tribulation. Only them that have refused the mark.
The rest will have to wait a 1000yrs to be judged in the second judgement.Judged by the books,with the rest of the world population.
That should be clear enough.wakeup.
wupgood ,now tell me why those are the only ones that John sees in his view
?
Terra.
I can not help you.
Study rev.20. with all your heart.wakeup.
wupyou mean you do not know right
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,06:47) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 05 2013,01:38) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,04:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,14:56) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2013,19:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,12:31) Terra. Still refusing to answer the question,because you can not.
wakeup.
WupIt is the last post on the previous page ,there is the question that you can not answer,
Terra.1. We have Christ resurrected first.
2. We have the 24 elders,now in heaven.
3. At the coming; the first fruits,the 144000.And the rest also at the coming,but after they have gone through the tribulation. Only them that have refused the mark.
The rest will have to wait a 1000yrs to be judged in the second judgement.Judged by the books,with the rest of the world population.
That should be clear enough.wakeup.
wupgood ,now tell me why those are the only ones that John sees in his view
?
Terra.
I can not help you.
Study rev.20. with all your heart.wakeup.
wupyou mean you do not know right
Terra.I have given you the analyses,but you still can not see.
Get some eye salve,and anoint thine eyes.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 05 2013,01:53) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,06:47) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 05 2013,01:38) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,04:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,14:56) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2013,19:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,12:31) Terra. Still refusing to answer the question,because you can not.
wakeup.
WupIt is the last post on the previous page ,there is the question that you can not answer,
Terra.1. We have Christ resurrected first.
2. We have the 24 elders,now in heaven.
3. At the coming; the first fruits,the 144000.And the rest also at the coming,but after they have gone through the tribulation. Only them that have refused the mark.
The rest will have to wait a 1000yrs to be judged in the second judgement.Judged by the books,with the rest of the world population.
That should be clear enough.wakeup.
wupgood ,now tell me why those are the only ones that John sees in his view
?
Terra.
I can not help you.
Study rev.20. with all your heart.wakeup.
wupyou mean you do not know right
Terra.I have given you the analyses,but you still can not see.
Get some eye salve,and anoint thine eyes.wakeup.
wup
running againQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,04:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,14:56) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2013,19:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,12:31) Terra. Still refusing to answer the question,because you can not.
wakeup.
WupIt is the last post on the previous page ,there is the question that you can not answer,
Terra.1. We have Christ resurrected first.
2. We have the 24 elders,now in heaven.
3. At the coming; the first fruits,the 144000.And the rest also at the coming,but after they have gone through the tribulation. Only them that have refused the mark.
The rest will have to wait a 1000yrs to be judged in the second judgement.Judged by the books,with the rest of the world population.
That should be clear enough.wakeup.
wupgood ,now tell me why those are the only ones that John sees in his view
?
Pierre,John saw those 24 in heaven around the throne. They witnessed the Lamb opening up the seals in heaven. So they are there. This was a future vision for John, because John was still alive. He was the youngest apostle, so the last to die.
When exactly they got resurrected, we don't know. But they are there, and are WITNESSES to the seals being opened.We can only go by what the scriptures are showing us, and they are there.
Hi Journey42,
Are you suggesting that John was watching his future self?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (journey42 @ Feb. 05 2013,02:07) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,04:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,14:56) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2013,19:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2013,12:31) Terra. Still refusing to answer the question,because you can not.
wakeup.
WupIt is the last post on the previous page ,there is the question that you can not answer,
Terra.1. We have Christ resurrected first.
2. We have the 24 elders,now in heaven.
3. At the coming; the first fruits,the 144000.And the rest also at the coming,but after they have gone through the tribulation. Only them that have refused the mark.
The rest will have to wait a 1000yrs to be judged in the second judgement.Judged by the books,with the rest of the world population.
That should be clear enough.wakeup.
wupgood ,now tell me why those are the only ones that John sees in his view
?
Pierre,John saw those 24 in heaven around the throne. They witnessed the Lamb opening up the seals in heaven. So they are there. This was a future vision for John, because John was still alive. He was the youngest apostle, so the last to die.
When exactly they got resurrected, we don't know. But they are there, and are WITNESSES to the seals being opened.We can only go by what the scriptures are showing us, and they are there.
j42try to do some work ;look at Steven view wen he was stoned ,
then look at the view of
PS 68:17 The chariots of God are myriads, thousands upon thousands;
The Lord is among them as at Sinai, in holiness.and Daniel,and revelation of what John sees
and see what you understand from it
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2013,07:10) Hi Journey42, Are you suggesting that John was watching his future self?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Yes. the prophesy is future.
John would have died, then taken up with his brothers,the apostles + 12 more of the old prophets.
John would have been one of them sitting in front of Gods throne,and he saw again the seals opened in real time, not in vision.wakeup
Devo,
Your questions are like a LABYRINTH, a confusing maze, in which there is no way out.
Quote
Q: WHO is DOING the melting and MAKING the new earth?…Christ or the Father?How was it in the beginning?
By the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water, through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 2nd Peter 3:5-7Quote Q: Where is the Father? The Father is in Heaven.
Then, in the new heaven and the new earth, there is no need for the sun or the moon to shine upon it for the glory of God shall shine and illuminate it and it's lamp shall be the Lamb, Revelation 21:1,4, and 23.
Quote Q: If Jesus is only going to sit on His throne of glory when He comes (THEN shall He sit on the throne of His glory, WHEN He comes), then what throne is He sitting on at the moment? NO.
Jesus is RIGHT NOW ON HIS THRONE.Now could you please answer my questions.
Where is the Beloved City
And where is The Camp of the Saints?I have my answer, but I would to see yours.
2Besee.
Zechariah 2:1 I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand.
Zechariah 2:2 Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof.
Zechariah 2:3 And, behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him,
Zechariah 2:4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein: **TOWNS WITHOUT WALLS**
Zechariah 2:5 For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her. **THE LORD IN THE MIDS OF HER**
Zechariah 2:6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.
Zechariah 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon. **DELIVER THEY SELF O CHRISTIAN WORLD THAT DWELETH IN BABYLON**
Zechariah 2:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye. **THEM THAT ARE DELIVRED ONLY**
Zechariah 2:9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.
Zechariah 2:10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.
Zechariah 2:11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
**MANY NATIONS SHALL BE JOINED; AND THE LORD WILL DWELL IN THE MIDS**Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. ** AND SHALL CHOOSE JEARUSALEM AGAIN**
Zechariah 2:13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the LORD: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation.
YOU CAN DENY THIS CHAPTER IF IT IS NOT TO YOUR TASTE. OR BE MORE CUNNING BY TWISTING THE WORDS AROUND TO TASTE.
THE LORD SHALL CHOOSE JERUSALEM** A.G.A.I.N.**
WHERE IS YOUR JERUSALEM?? IN HEAVEN? HAS HE REJECTED HEAVENLY JERUSALEM BEFORE?JUST BRUSH IT UNDER THE CARPET,AND JUST FORGET ABOUT IT, GENERATION OF VIPERS.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 05 2013,06:15) 2Besee. Zechariah 2:1 I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand.
Zechariah 2:2 Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof.
Zechariah 2:3 And, behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him,
Zechariah 2:4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein: **TOWNS WITHOUT WALLS**
Zechariah 2:5 For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her. **THE LORD IN THE MIDS OF HER**
Zechariah 2:6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.
Zechariah 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon. **DELIVER THEY SELF O CHRISTIAN WORLD THAT DWELETH IN BABYLON**
Zechariah 2:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye. **THEM THAT ARE DELIVRED ONLY**
Zechariah 2:9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.
Zechariah 2:10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.
Zechariah 2:11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
**MANY NATIONS SHALL BE JOINED; AND THE LORD WILL DWELL IN THE MIDS**Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. ** AND SHALL CHOOSE JEARUSALEM AGAIN**
Zechariah 2:13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the LORD: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation.
YOU CAN DENY THIS CHAPTER IF IT IS NOT TO YOUR TASTE. OR BE MORE CUNNING BY TWISTING THE WORDS AROUND TO TASTE.
THE LORD SHALL CHOOSE JERUSALEM** A.G.A.I.N.**
WHERE IS YOUR JERUSALEM?? IN HEAVEN? HAS HE REJECTED HEAVENLY JERUSALEM BEFORE?JUST BRUSH IT UNDER THE CARPET,AND JUST FORGET ABOUT IT, GENERATION OF VIPERS.
wakeup.
wupthis interpretation is faulty
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