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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2012,15:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,14:31) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2012,12:41) Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 04 2012,12:26) So i need to ask you again, what is the barn?
Hi Devolution,The barn is the mansion (meaning resting place).
God bless
Ed J
EDj.So after the resurrection all will be stored first? for how long?
Stored in a mansion,is it with air conditioning?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,In a “spiritual” resting place while others will be in a lake of fire. (see Rev.15:2)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Isaiah 30:15 For thus saith the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel;
In returning and rest shall ye be saved; in quietness and in
confidence shall be your strength: and ye would not.Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 04 2012,19:17) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 03 2012,04:57) Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 03 2012,06:04) Pierre, The barn is the kingdom, correct…agreed.
And what must happen before the children are put into the barn/kingdom?
devothey are now collected and put in a waiting room but have been judged to be worthy of the kingdom ,and when the numbers of the saved ones are complete then the end will come,
this is the power of God not of men ,
Pierre,What you interpret or what i interpret means nothing compared to what scripture says.
And i don't even need to interpret these scriptures because Jesus Himself gave the explanation.And the scripture you are now arguing against, arguing against Gods word again, said that the harvest must take place before the children are put into the barn.
So before the children are put into the kingdom, the harvest must occur.
And until that harvest occurs, both the evil & the good will grow together, as we see still happening in the world today, as it has been happening since Jesus told us it would over 2000 years ago.But Jesus will tolerate no evil within His kingdom when He sets it up now will He. Or will you argue against that now also?
Pierre, the harvest has not yet occurred, unless you don't understand what the harvest is? therefore, no man is in that kingdom Christ is going to set up when He begins ruling it.
This is not private interpretation, but the meaning of this simple scripture.
If i could not understand such a basic sentence, and its given meaning, how on earth could i call myself a English speaking person?..or sane for that matter!Christ gave the answer, a simple thing to understand, yet you still argue against it.
All because it disagrees with your interpretation.I marvel that you can even debate against what is written since you call yourself a Christian.
This is mind boggling.
devoyou also can ask why did it take about 4000 years to come to Christ from Adam
could this not be a few days or years it is now over 2000 years past after Christ and we still not in the kingdom why
the kingdom is still in a set up position ,but he has full control to bring about all things to its conclusion,
this is why your understanding of your KJV in Dan 2;44-45 is wrong ,and the NIV as it right it is set up .and the call for being accepted in the kingdom still open today
devo
Quote Christ gave the answer, a simple thing to understand, yet you still argue against it.
All because it disagrees with your interpretation.I do not think so ;and I did not see any scriptures in your comment
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2012,15:25) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2012,15:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,14:31) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2012,12:41) Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 04 2012,12:26) So i need to ask you again, what is the barn?
Hi Devolution,The barn is the mansion (meaning resting place).
God bless
Ed J
EDj.So after the resurrection all will be stored first? for how long?
Stored in a mansion,is it with air conditioning?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,In a “spiritual” resting place while others will be in a lake of fire. (see Rev.15:2)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Isaiah 30:15 For thus saith the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel;
In returning and rest shall ye be saved; in quietness and in
confidence shall be your strength: and ye would not.
EDj.What is coming into my rest mean?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,19:50) EDj. What is coming into my rest mean?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,I give up… what?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHEB 3:11 AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
`THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.’ ”HEB 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said,
“AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,”
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
HEB 4:5 and again in this passage, “THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.”Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 05 2012,10:25) HEB 3:11 AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
`THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.’ ”HEB 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said,
“AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,”
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
HEB 4:5 and again in this passage, “THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.”
TerraMY QUESTION TO ED, WAS:
WHAT IS THIS REST?
wakeup.
terraricca,Aug. wrote:[/quote]
Pierre,Quote you also can ask why did it take about 4000 years to come to Christ from Adam could this not be a few days or years Because all things must take their course in their respective times is why
Quote it is now over 2000 years past after Christ and we still not in the kingdom why As above, & we are not in the kingdom because the harvest has not taken place yet. As Jesus said, harvest first, then kingdom is set up
Quote the kingdom is still in a set up position ,but he has full control to bring about all things to its conclusion no the kingdom is not yet set up. It is being prepared
Quote this is why your understanding of your KJV in Dan 2;44-45 is wrong ,and the NIV as it right it is set up .and the call for being accepted in the kingdom still open today no other bible translation took the steps that the KJV scribes had to take. And they were all fluent in Hebrew, Greek & English. As fluent as you are in French.
And there were 4 groups containing around 14 translators each group who had to check the other groups translations before they were passed on & sent to the next group which then passed it on to the next group who sent it on to the next group & the next, chapter by chapter, who then had each team leader from all four groups do a final check.
So in no way was there any chance of self interpretation. And you believe such fool proof methods are improved upon today? That is impossible. Todays translators have no such strict rules to adhere by. To say todays translations are superior is beyond credibility. It is a joke to even compare them. So you have been shown, but alas, to no avail..Pierre,
For the kingdom to be set up, it must have inhabitants in it.
So tell me,
*Are you in Christs kingdom right now?
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 05 2012,10:25) HEB 3:11 AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
`THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.’ ”HEB 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said,
“AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,”
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
HEB 4:5 and again in this passage, “THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.”
Terra,We understand what the rest means, it is easy to quote scriptures that mention the rest,
Ed was honest enough to admit he didn't know…
How about you?
Do you know >>*What it means *When it happens *And who experiences that rest Pierre?
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2012,15:25) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2012,15:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,14:31) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2012,12:41) Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 04 2012,12:26) So i need to ask you again, what is the barn?
Hi Devolution,The barn is the mansion (meaning resting place).
God bless
Ed J
EDj.So after the resurrection all will be stored first? for how long?
Stored in a mansion,is it with air conditioning?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,In a “spiritual” resting place while others will be in a lake of fire. (see Rev.15:2)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Isaiah 30:15 For thus saith the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel;
In returning and rest shall ye be saved; in quietness and in
confidence shall be your strength: and ye would not.
So Ed.What is this rest?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:
Sorry for the delay in answering your post. I have been praying and studying and it appears that the “ten toes” are not part of the fourth kingdom until the end times just prior to the Lord coming for the church. The fourth kingdom according to Daniel 2 and 7 is the Roman Empire.
The scripture states relative to the ten toes:
Quote Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. However, I believe that the next event will be those nations that are coming against Israel and Jews as described in Ezekiel 38 and Zechariah 14. God will intervene against them, and after this there will be a peace treaty signed with Israel and during this period of peace, the temple will be rebuilt, and the Jews who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah will begin offering animal sacrifices. We will know the beast when he stops the Jews from offering the animal sacrifices.
These are the scriptures relative to his stopping the animal sacrifices:
Quote Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Quote Dan 12:11 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Dan 12:12 Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end [be]: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
In the scriptures in Daniel 12 there will be 1290 days from the time the animal sacrifices are stopped and the Anti-Christ sets himself up in the temple showing himself to be God, the abomination of desolation, and from that time until the rapture of the church there will be forty five days approximately, because no man knows the day or the hour.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Devolution @ Aug. 05 2012,23:12) As Jesus said, harvest first, then kingdom is set up
Hi Devolution,Can you please show us where this is located?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Devolution @ Aug. 05 2012,23:43) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 05 2012,10:25) HEB 3:11 AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
`THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.’ ”HEB 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said,
“AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,”
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
HEB 4:5 and again in this passage, “THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.”
Terra,We understand what the rest means, it is easy to quote scriptures that mention the rest,
Ed was honest enough to admit he didn't know…
How about you?
Do you know >>*What it means *When it happens *And who experiences that rest Pierre?
Hi Devolution,“And he(YHVH) said, My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.” (Ex 33:14)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Aug. 06 2012,00:00) So Ed.What is this rest? wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,God's “HolySpirit”.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Aug. 06 2012,04:04) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 05 2012,10:25) HEB 3:11 AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
`THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.’ ”HEB 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said,
“AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH,
THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,”
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
HEB 4:5 and again in this passage, “THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.”
TerraMY QUESTION TO ED, WAS:
WHAT IS THIS REST?
wakeup.
wupthe rest is the 1000 years of Christ reign
Quote (Devolution @ Aug. 06 2012,06:34) Pierre, For the kingdom to be set up, it must have inhabitants in it.
So tell me,
*Are you in Christs kingdom right now?
devoQuote no the kingdom is not yet set up. It is being prepared is PREPARED another word for set up
and NO I am not in the kingdom but I am ruled by it ,and so as power on me and on any true Christian,and anything that has power is in power right ???Yes
devo
Quote no other bible translation took the steps that the KJV scribes had to take. And they were all fluent in Hebrew, Greek & English. As fluent as you are in French.
And there were 4 groups containing around 14 translators each group who had to check the other groups translations before they were passed on & sent to the next group which then passed it on to the next group who sent it on to the next group & the next, chapter by chapter, who then had each team leader from all four groups do a final check.
So in no way was there any chance of self interpretation. And you believe such fool proof methods are improved upon today? That is impossible. Todays translators have no such strict rules to adhere by. To say todays translations are superior is beyond credibility. It is a joke to even compare them. So you have been shown, but alas, to no avail..so what you say ,is that men can act in a way so that God can not refuse to be at their service
I do agree that many heads are better than one or two ,but that it is of God ,this is were I disagree,
to my understanding scriptures are like a door ,only a little key is needed to open it ,
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2012,08:57) devo Quote no other bible translation took the steps that the KJV scribes had to take. And they were all fluent in Hebrew, Greek & English. As fluent as you are in French.
And there were 4 groups containing around 14 translators each group who had to check the other groups translations before they were passed on & sent to the next group which then passed it on to the next group who sent it on to the next group & the next, chapter by chapter, who then had each team leader from all four groups do a final check.
So in no way was there any chance of self interpretation. And you believe such fool proof methods are improved upon today? That is impossible. Todays translators have no such strict rules to adhere by. To say todays translations are superior is beyond credibility. It is a joke to even compare them. So you have been shown, but alas, to no avail..so what you say ,is that men can act in a way so that God can not refuse to be at their service
I do agree that many heads are better than one or two ,but that it is of God ,this is were I disagree,
to my understanding scriptures are like a door ,only a little key is needed to open it ,
Pierre
How can the door be opened, if the Word is distorted?
You will get the basics, but not the depth of the scriptures.
Look at that bible Jammin is reading, how they changed the Word of God and made a religion out it, or visa versa.
Look how he defends that new translation as if his life was hanging on it?
Look at the discrepancies.
Huge discrepancies, not little ones.
Truth is the door, and the wicked one attacks this first,
the Holy Word of God, the way God intended for us to hear his particular speech,
as every word counts.When God's Word first came out in print to the gentiles, why do you doubt that his hand was upon it?
Does God not do everything for his own purpose?
Can you not see that corruption grows as time goes by.Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 06 2012,20:12) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2012,08:57) devo Quote no other bible translation took the steps that the KJV scribes had to take. And they were all fluent in Hebrew, Greek & English. As fluent as you are in French.
And there were 4 groups containing around 14 translators each group who had to check the other groups translations before they were passed on & sent to the next group which then passed it on to the next group who sent it on to the next group & the next, chapter by chapter, who then had each team leader from all four groups do a final check.
So in no way was there any chance of self interpretation. And you believe such fool proof methods are improved upon today? That is impossible. Todays translators have no such strict rules to adhere by. To say todays translations are superior is beyond credibility. It is a joke to even compare them. So you have been shown, but alas, to no avail..so what you say ,is that men can act in a way so that God can not refuse to be at their service
I do agree that many heads are better than one or two ,but that it is of God ,this is were I disagree,
to my understanding scriptures are like a door ,only a little key is needed to open it ,
Pierre
How can the door be opened, if the Word is distorted?
You will get the basics, but not the depth of the scriptures.
Look at that bible Jammin is reading, how they changed the Word of God and made a religion out it, or visa versa.
Look how he defends that new translation as if his life was hanging on it?
Look at the discrepancies.
Huge discrepancies, not little ones.
Truth is the door, and the wicked one attacks this first,
the Holy Word of God, the way God intended for us to hear his particular speech,
as every word counts.When God's Word first came out in print to the gentiles, why do you doubt that his hand was upon it?
Does God not do everything for his own purpose?
Can you not see that corruption grows as time goes by.
J42Quote Pierre
How can the door be opened, if the Word is distorted?
You will get the basics, but not the depth of the scriptures.I use to ,long ago thinking like you ,but then something inside me while I was reading hit me so deep ,that it became some thing I never forgot ;
your question is right ;How can the door be opened,???
and by what
what I can tell you IT IS NOT WITH THE KJV OR ANY OTHER VERSION,IN ANY LANGUAGE,FOR SURE.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE KEY HIS
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