The statue of King Nebs dream

[journey42]

The interpretation of the statue given to Daniel symbolises the empires to exist from Babylon to the end.  
The end = the end of man's rule at Christ's second coming.

The statue started with old time Babylon
and ends with modern day Babylon – Babylon the Great.
Babylon the Great consists of many kings, and empires, but the actual statue in the vision depicts the main empires that play a major role through God's eyes right down to the last kingdom ever to exist.  This last kingdom will be destroyed by Christ.

We know from scriptures in Daniel and backed by history that Babylon was conquered by the Medo/Persian empire.
We know that the Medo/Persian empire was conquered by the Grecian empire.
God does not mention Rome from here on.
And even though Rome was not mentioned by God, we know that Rome came up next, hence we have the legs made out of iron.
So by God not specifically mentioning Rome, he want's us to work it out.  We all agree that the legs are Rome, even though it's not clarified by God himself to us, …but we all know it's Rome.  Right?
So we worked it out.
We also know that Rome weakened according to history.
And that empire of Rome which we worked out finished right where the feet started.  So the legs are finished. Gone.
But the feet start, so by looking at the statue so far, each empire was represented by a body part.
The feet now is another body part, and must be another empire
So we have to work out what empire this is now, just like we worked out Rome before.
What major empire came up after Rome?
THE BRITISH EMPIRE
The British empire became the largest empire ever recorded in history.
She was wounded in the 2nd world war, but was miraculously healed.
Her power is still with us even to this day, and although many not realise her power, she still has brothers, eg. USA, Australia, Cananda, many in Europe, New Zealand, etc, and  although few claimed independence from her, whether in the commonwealth or out of it, these nations are still one with her and came out of her. They still pay royalties to her.  She is very much alive today, and was healed after the 2nd world war.  Where there are problems in the world today, she is there with her brothers trying to be the big police of the world, with the final say.

So we must be at the feet today?
The british empire.
and the ten toes come next.
This mean's a new kingdom is to start
and during the days of these toes, the whole statue gets destroyed by Christ.  All those kingdoms ever to exist get destroyed. Gone, right to the last one

….but the British empire is still here, for she's not gone, she's very much alive with her 54 member countries of the commonwealth
so we must be expecting a last kingdom to emerge
and she is represented by the toes, else the toes wouldn't of been mentioned.

and we know Christ sets up this new kingdom in the days of this last empire, and all those empires of the statue, the whole lot from head to toe will never exist or revive ever again.
So Christ's kingdom gets physically set up here, on earth, where he will rule from

Did the empires stop at Christ's second coming?
No, Rome continued, then Britain came up
Is Christ ruling with a rod of iron now?
No
But he will when he destroys the last kingdom
and this has not happened yet
because we are still being ruled by man
in the most unholy way imaginable.
and justice has not yet been served.

Did Christ complete and finish all his works over 2012 years ago?
One mission was completed, and that was to reveal the light, and reveal he was the Son of God, be sacrificed (murdered), obtain resurrection, spread the gospels through his chosen, and give us a chance of redemption until he comes again.

And we know that when returns, he will rule for a thousand years, then hand the kingdom back to his Father.
So I would say that he still has much more work to do, and his whole job has not been completed yet.
And man's rule has to end first before we can say that Christ is ruling.

[Wakeup]

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Did the empires stop at Christ's second coming? No, Rome continued, then Britain came up Is Christ ruling with a rod of iron now? No

Sorry I mean't to say Christ's FIRST coming, not second.

[journey42]

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Correction Quote Did the empires stop at Christ's second coming? No, Rome continued, then Britain came up Is Christ ruling with a rod of iron now? No Sorry I mean't to say Christ's FIRST coming, not second.

In case anyone's confused. I am at Wakeup's house right now, we are going through the scriptures and these posts, and i forgot to log in under my own name. He is sitting right beside me and we are having a good laugh. Wakeup is not me, and I am not him.

[Ed J]

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What major empire came up after Rome?

Ottoman

[terraricca]

j42

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The interpretation of the statue given to Daniel symbolises the empires to exist from Babylon to the end. The end = the end of man's rule at Christ's second coming.

show this with scriptures ;Daniel 2;40-44

[Wakeup]

Lets clarify things a bit more clearer:

We know that the legs of pure iron is the old roman empire.
After the legs comes the feet,which is different from the legs,for this one is a mixed empire; iron mixed with clay.
Some nations are strong as the iron,and some are weak ,as the clay.

This must be the 7th empire(babylon the great) because the 8th(and the last) is coming out of the 7th. And the 8th is coming and will have 10 kings.This is being worked out by the nations today.

And we know that at the coming of Christ,we know that babylon the great will be destroyed.This is the crushing of the whole statue.
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Some believe that the kingdom set up by Christ started soon after the FIRST COMING OF CHRIST.
But we know that 2000yrs has gone past.?
And we also know that many kingdoms are still in existence today; It has not been crushed by the rock from heaven.? are they?

And after the crushing of all kingdoms,then Christ will set up his kingdom.
If chists kingdom is ruling today,well where is it?
Is it in israel? Is it the so called chistian world? Is it in our hearts? If it is; then what about all the confusion of the hearts today? What about all the christian wars in the past?

Where is the peace,what happened to the tears,and sorrows,and pain,and the spears turned into pruning hooks,and swords turned into plowshares, and what about the nations not learning war anymore.(how many wars did we have in the past 2000yrs)?

Can you see that the doctrine of Chist kingdom has come soon after his FIRST COMING or at his FIRST COMING is not a true teaching.but false.

What about Christ saying that his kingdom is at hand? And that was 2000yrs ago?
Is this a contradiction? no.

For the kingdom is at hand for every generation; because they dont live longer than a human life time. Can we comprehend this? As we wake up from our sleep in the grave;we(the chosen) will be confronted by the coming. all the ones in Christ at once.

The generations of the past would not have recognised that 2000yrs has gone past.is this true or false?

So some of us need to reconsider our belief that the kingdom of Christ has been here for 2000yrs now,or state your case.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

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So some of us need to reconsider our belief that the kingdom of Christ has been here for 2000yrs now,or state your case. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Do you consider the kingdom of Christ to be different from the “Kingdom of God”?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

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Quote (journey42 @ July 18 2012,22:24) What major empire came up after Rome? Ottoman

EDJ.

You believe that the kingdom of God has been here on earth for 2000yrs now.
So how can there be an ottoman empire still existing?
For all the kingdoms of men suppose to have been crushed by the rock from heaven,if you read Dan 2:45.There should be no kingdoms of men left after the coming.

Did the ottoman empire come out of the roman empire or did it start with mohamad: Do we live under the muslem system or do we live under the leopard system(greece)? Rev.13:2.

We live under the greek system(democracy)the leopard,not the shari'ah muslem law,do we? is the language spoken today,english or is it arabic? Does the world use the dollar or some muslem currency? Is the muslem world the super power today or is it not?

Who gives aid to whom? who is the police of the world today,is it not America? and lately past over to europe in the libian war? WHERE IS THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE TODAY? Are they not killing each other?

wakeup.

[Ed J]

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Quote (Ed J @ July 19 2012,00:31) Quote (journey42 @ July 18 2012,22:24) What major empire came up after Rome? Ottoman EDJ. You believe that the kingdom of God has been here on earth for 2000yrs now.

Yep

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So how can there be an ottoman empire still existing?

It isn't

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For all the kingdoms of men suppose to have been crushed by the rock from heaven,if you read Dan 2:45.There should be no kingdoms of men left after the coming.

Why?

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Did the ottoman empire come out of the roman empire or did it start with mohamad:

Neither

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Do we live under the muslem system or do we live under the leopard system(greece)? Rev.13:2.

Neither

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We live under the greek system(democracy)the leopard,not the shari'ah muslem law,do we? is the language spoken today,english or is it arabic? Does the world use the dollar or some muslem currency? Is the muslem world the super power today or is it not?

Spin

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Who gives aid to whom? who is the police of the world today,is it not America? and lately past over to europe in the libian war? WHERE IS THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE TODAY? Are they not killing each other? wakeup.

Irrelevant

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[journey42]

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j42 Quote The interpretation of the statue given to Daniel symbolises the empires to exist from Babylon to the end.   The end = the end of man's rule at Christ's second coming. show this with scriptures ;Daniel 2;40-44

Daniel 2:34   Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

Daniel 2:35   Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, that that no place was found for them and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.

This shows that the kingdoms of man on earth are destroyed.  Babylon is no more. This is when Christ sets up his kingdom on earth.

Daniel 2:44   And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms and it shall stand forever.

This means that after the destruction of all the kingdoms, Christ will set up his kingdom.
In the days of these kings, the 10 toes (10 kings), is when this shall happen, and this is where Christ will intervene (the crushing by the stone)

You notice that the 10 toes is the last kingdom.  There is no more after the 10 toes.  All mans kingdoms has been destroyed and Christ's kingdom will be on earth, (and we know he will be reigning with his saints for a 1000 years on earth).

If you can find any discrepancy, any correction is always welcomed.

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ July 19 2012,01:53) Quote (Ed J @ July 19 2012,00:31) Quote (journey42 @ July 18 2012,22:24) What major empire came up after Rome? Ottoman EDJ. You believe that the kingdom of God has been here on earth for 2000yrs now. Yep Quote So how can there be an ottoman empire still existing? It isn't Quote For all the kingdoms of men suppose to have been crushed by the rock from heaven,if you read Dan 2:45.There should be no kingdoms of men left after the coming. Why? Quote Did the ottoman empire come out of the roman empire or did it start with mohamad: Neither Quote Do we live under the muslem system or do we live under the leopard system(greece)? Rev.13:2. Neither Quote We live under the greek system(democracy)the leopard,not the shari'ah muslem law,do we? is the language spoken today,english or is it arabic? Does the world use the dollar or some muslem currency? Is the muslem world the super power today or is it not? Spin Quote Who gives aid to whom? who is the police of the world today,is it not America? and lately past over to europe in the libian war? WHERE IS THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE TODAY? Are they not killing each other? wakeup. Irrelevant God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

Is that all you can say? Are you still stuck and refuse to acknowlege? Keep on ignoring scriptures and heap up error to yourself.

Wakeup

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ July 19 2012,01:39)

Quote (Wakeup @ July 19 2012,01:27) So some of us need to reconsider our belief that the kingdom of Christ has been here for 2000yrs now,or state your case. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Do you consider the kingdom of Christ to be different from the “Kingdom of God”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

What a question. Ask me a good question.

[terraricca]

J42

Please can you honestly show scriptures ,interpretation without adding or subtracting anything ,this would be the truth ,

So Daniel 2:40-44

It does not agree with your interpretation ,there are no 10 kings,and the feet are not another empire,but the same empire at a lather date,with different condition in it ,at the time of God setting up his king ,that is the time of the feet and that's the time when the stone comes down fron heaven and falls on the feet and so destroy the statue ,what is the image of the earthly empire until that time ,but from now on it is Gods king that will be the ruler. Even though there are other empires in this world ,they do not have a power over Gods kingdom and his people .the saints

[journey42]

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J42 Please can you honestly show scriptures ,interpretation without adding or subtracting anything ,this would be the truth , So Daniel 2:40-44 It does not agree with your interpretation ,there are no 10 kings,and the feet are not another empire,but the same empire at a lather date,with different condition in it ,at the time of God setting up his king ,that is the time of the feet and that's the time when the stone comes down fron heaven and falls on the feet and so destroy the statue ,what is the image of the earthly empire until that time ,but from now on it is Gods king that will be the ruler. Even though there are other empires in this world ,they do not have a power over Gods kingdom and his people .the saints

Is this what you believe?
that the legs of iron and the feet mixed with iron and clay, and the toes is the kingdom of Rome?  And that kingdom is divided into 10 kingdoms?

You need to explain to me about the rock that has crushed the feet and turned all the kingdoms into dust.
Has this happened yet?
Can you tell me regarding the dreadful beast with the 10 horns that is cast into the lake of fire? Is this the kingdom of Rome split in 10?  Are the 10 horns on the one head, or are the 10 horns on different heads?

Can you please explain your interpretation about the feet and the 10 toes and how it will end at the coming.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2012,02:44) J42 Please can you honestly show scriptures ,interpretation without adding or subtracting anything ,this would be the truth , So Daniel 2:40-44 It does not agree with your interpretation ,there are no 10 kings,and the feet are not another empire,but the same empire at a lather date,with different condition in it ,at the time of God setting up his king ,that is the time of the feet and that's the time when the stone comes down fron heaven and falls on the feet and so destroy the statue ,what is the image of the earthly empire until that time ,but from now on it is Gods king that will be the ruler. Even though there are other empires in this world ,they do not have a power over Gods kingdom and his people .the saints Is this what you believe? that the legs of iron and the feet mixed with iron and clay, and the toes is the kingdom of Rome?  And that kingdom is divided into 10 kingdoms? You need to explain to me about the rock that has crushed the feet and turned all the kingdoms into dust. Has this happened yet? Can you tell me regarding the dreadful beast with the 10 horns that is cast into the lake of fire? Is this the kingdom of Rome split in 10?  Are the 10 horns on the one head, or are the 10 horns on different heads? Can you please explain your interpretation about the feet and the 10 toes and how it will end at the coming.

J42

Why do you not believe scriptures interpretation

We talking of the statue but now you want to talk about the fourth beast ,

Can you not solve one first Then the other

[journey42]

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Quote (journey42 @ July 19 2012,10:15) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2012,02:44) J42 Please can you honestly show scriptures ,interpretation without adding or subtracting anything ,this would be the truth , So Daniel 2:40-44 It does not agree with your interpretation ,there are no 10 kings,and the feet are not another empire,but the same empire at a lather date,with different condition in it ,at the time of God setting up his king ,that is the time of the feet and that's the time when the stone comes down fron heaven and falls on the feet and so destroy the statue ,what is the image of the earthly empire until that time ,but from now on it is Gods king that will be the ruler. Even though there are other empires in this world ,they do not have a power over Gods kingdom and his people .the saints Is this what you believe? that the legs of iron and the feet mixed with iron and clay, and the toes is the kingdom of Rome?  And that kingdom is divided into 10 kingdoms? You need to explain to me about the rock that has crushed the feet and turned all the kingdoms into dust. Has this happened yet? Can you tell me regarding the dreadful beast with the 10 horns that is cast into the lake of fire? Is this the kingdom of Rome split in 10?  Are the 10 horns on the one head, or are the 10 horns on different heads? Can you please explain your interpretation about the feet and the 10 toes and how it will end at the coming. J42 Why do you not believe scriptures interpretation We talking of the statue but now you want to talk about the fourth beast , Can you not solve one first Then the other

Hi Pierre

Yes I am sorry, but I believe they go together.

Look lets forget about the other scriptures for now, but in Daniel Ch2 I can see that the scriptures explain themselves without me adding my interpretation…But obviously we have different views, and If I give just scripture then you can't see what I'm seeing and visa versa.  So this is to just clarify where I am coming from.

I find it very obvious that the vision of the statue is from babylon to the last empire, because the stone is hurled at the feet.  There are no more empires after this, but Christ's kingdom which takes over the whole earth, and we know this has not happened yet.  When this happens every man will be subject to him for he will rule with a rod of iron.

I do say that the kingdom of the feet (britain) has emerged from the Roman empire, and then it reforms again when it reaches the toes.  The feet and toes were mentioned.  I believe this is for a reason.  There are other scriptures to back up, but you don't want to go there yet, and that's fine…but we will go there eventually, because the statue is just a rough run down from King Neb's kingdom onwards.  More detail is given in other scriptures that clarify exactly what the last kingdom consists of.

I do believe that the kings of the last generation will have power over Gods children…not in a spiritual sense but over the flesh, only when God allows it , at the right timing, for we know that there is THE false prophet coming who will persecute the saints for not taking the mark, and this is the will of God, that all this be fulfilled, but our reward is coming, and what Christ will reward us with, no man can take away.  I did not write the scriptures, I am not glorifying all the hard times coming, for it will be hard for all of us, but I do glory that Christ will come shortly after this and change things rapidly.

If we can't sort this out, then we have to agree to disagree, but until then, you are the only one interested in the prophesies, and that's a good thing, so it's worth a discussion.

Goodnight. Must get some rest now.

[Ed J]

Hi Georgie,

I'm interested in discussing Prophecy as well.       …have you forgotten so soon?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ July 19 2012,11:18)

Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2012,03:38) Quote (journey42 @ July 19 2012,10:15) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2012,02:44) J42 Please can you honestly show scriptures ,interpretation without adding or subtracting anything ,this would be the truth , So Daniel 2:40-44 It does not agree with your interpretation ,there are no 10 kings,and the feet are not another empire,but the same empire at a lather date,with different condition in it ,at the time of God setting up his king ,that is the time of the feet and that's the time when the stone comes down fron heaven and falls on the feet and so destroy the statue ,what is the image of the earthly empire until that time ,but from now on it is Gods king that will be the ruler. Even though there are other empires in this world ,they do not have a power over Gods kingdom and his people .the saints Is this what you believe? that the legs of iron and the feet mixed with iron and clay, and the toes is the kingdom of Rome?  And that kingdom is divided into 10 kingdoms? You need to explain to me about the rock that has crushed the feet and turned all the kingdoms into dust. Has this happened yet? Can you tell me regarding the dreadful beast with the 10 horns that is cast into the lake of fire? Is this the kingdom of Rome split in 10?  Are the 10 horns on the one head, or are the 10 horns on different heads? Can you please explain your interpretation about the feet and the 10 toes and how it will end at the coming. J42 Why do you not believe scriptures interpretation We talking of the statue but now you want to talk about the fourth beast , Can you not solve one first Then the other Hi Pierre Yes I am sorry, but I believe they go together. Look lets forget about the other scriptures for now, but in Daniel Ch2 I can see that the scriptures explain themselves without me adding my interpretation…But obviously we have different views, and If I give just scripture then you can't see what I'm seeing and visa versa.  So this is to just clarify where I am coming from. I find it very obvious that the vision of the statue is from babylon to the last empire, because the stone is hurled at the feet.  There are no more empires after this, but Christ's kingdom which takes over the whole earth, and we know this has not happened yet.  When this happens every man will be subject to him for he will rule with a rod of iron. I do say that the kingdom of the feet (britain) has emerged from the Roman empire, and then it reforms again when it reaches the toes.  The feet and toes were mentioned.  I believe this is for a reason.  There are other scriptures to back up, but you don't want to go there yet, and that's fine…but we will go there eventually, because the statue is just a rough run down from King Neb's kingdom onwards.  More detail is given in other scriptures that clarify exactly what the last kingdom consists of. I do believe that the kings of the last generation will have power over Gods children…not in a spiritual sense but over the flesh, only when God allows it , at the right timing, for we know that there is THE false prophet coming who will persecute the saints for not taking the mark, and this is the will of God, that all this be fulfilled, but our reward is coming, and what Christ will reward us with, no man can take away.  I did not write the scriptures, I am not glorifying all the hard times coming, for it will be hard for all of us, but I do glory that Christ will come shortly after this and change things rapidly. If we can't sort this out, then we have to agree to disagree, but until then, you are the only one interested in the prophesies, and that's a good thing, so it's worth a discussion. Goodnight. Must get some rest now.

J42

Sorry but its you and not scriptures that says that it is the end of all empires,and you stick to this idea ,that it should interpreted this way ,

If so we have no more connections to scriptures ,and I am not interested of going astray from scriptures ,so you can go on with EDJ he like s to dream

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

You don't like dreams?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 19 2012,14:35)

Hi Pierre, You don't like dreams? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

Yes but those dreams that you make up with your eyes open

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