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You should be more worried about worshiping the Beast and receiving his IMAGE, which is the false IMAGE he created of Jesus being a preexistent GOD. That is his MARK many have already received into their foreheads or minds.
That means we are free to take an ID mark for the purposes of buying and selling if that is ever offered or mandated.
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we are those that have believed in their message but are not redeemed from the earth but will live under his rule on earth ,
After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
Gene B.
In our life time; Does it not consist of works?
Good works or bad works?
Living in Christ or living according to the world? (this is for christians).
If you live in Christ; will you not be judged accordingly? According to your works as a christian? Or judged by some other thing?
If you live in sin; will you not be judged according to your works?
Will non christians not be judged by their works;by the book of life? In the second judgement?
Is the human soul not what he is as a person? The soul can be good or evil. Can also change,Y/N?
Can also repent and be forgiven. Repent of what? Is it not of his bad deeds in life?
And an evil soul is it not his deeds as a human.
A murderer will be judged by his works.
A soul that sinned,it shall die.
A God fearing person will be judged by his good works.
A holy person will not be judged; but accepted as he is.
Is it not all about our works that will be judged?
The spirit of the flesh is the drive of the flesh; the fleshly desires.
What he hungers for in his life.
Christians should hunger for knowing God and his Son.
To hunger for worldly things is death. To hunger for God is life.
wakeup.
<span style=”font-family: Courier New;”>Romans 10:19</span> But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will <b><b>provoke</b></b> you to jealousy by <i>them ***that are</i> no people***, <i>and</i> by a foolish nation I will anger you.
<tt><b>Romans 11:11</b></tt> I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but <i>rather</i> through their fall salvation <i>is come</i> unto the Gentiles,
***for to <b><b>provoke</b></b> them to jealousy***.
Jesus also said: The first shall be last, and the last shall be first.
Christians are going through Christ first;the jews will be later. The 144k will be spiritual jews.
Those very elect christians,could have jewish blood.
Brothers/sis; the first trumpet will sound very soon,and that is when the door of the ark is closed.
No one can enter untill the 7th trumpet has sounded. That would be after the tribulation. After the great test.
Sadly enough only a 144k will enter; for they have been refined by gold. The rest must be refined by afflictions.
Rev.7 and 14. rev. 9:4 16:2.
wakeup.
Gene
{Terricca…….. These hundred and forty four thousand are from the twelve tribes of Israel, they do not represent all the saved from the earth, only a fraction of them. There are twelve thousand from each tribe of Israel. As revelation plainly says, but in no way does it say they are the ONLY ONES saved FROM MANKIND.}
did I say or the scriptures that the 144k are the only ones that are saved ‘NO” only that they are the only ones that are REDEEMED OF THE EARTH ”
so many are yet saved but the great crowed stands in front of God’s throne meaning on the foot stool ,and God says that the earth is his footstool ,their are a small number called to become the living temple among men ,and so all others are living on the earth ,
now it was the plan that all the 144k would be Jews from the descendants of Abraham ,but not even that number of faithful persons could be found ,and so gentiles were used to complete that number ,but the number remains at 144k
gene
{We have also other scriptures that say God has redeemed from all the nations of the world, the twenty four elders for example are the part of the 144000 , it doesn’t appear that way, and they are before the throng of God, and they say God redeemed them from the nations.}
about the 24 elders and the four creatures I never said that they are part of the 144k ,THE 144K ARE THE BROTHERS OF CHRIST ,AND SO FULFIL THE PROMISE THAT CHRIST MADE WITH THOSE THAT ARE CALLED BY HIM TO BE PART OF HIS RULING KINGDOM ,jOHN 17 AND ….
Terricca……….. Please post a single scripture that says the 144000 are BROTHERS of JESUS. That was our issue Here, and also please post where it say they are ALL Jews, you adding a lot of what is not said IMO.
Also the word redeemed applies to all who are saved from the lest to the greatest , and please read what T8 posted he is right on about the saved or redeemed from the earth.
Peace and love to you and yours Pierre ………………………gene
Wakeup……. Your getting Spirits mixed up with LIVING SOULS ! I think?
peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Gene b.
Please explain what part of us will be judged on judgement day?
Is it not our works?
Is it not the spirit of man, how he has been living during his lifetime?
The drive of the flesh is the spirit of men.
That spirit continues untill death; then it ceases to be.
His works will follow to the grave,then judged.
The spirit of the flesh needs to be replaced with the spirit of Christ.
The hunger for worldly things needs to be changed with the hunger for God.
This is how a person has come out of Babylon the great; he has come into the city of God.(Zion).
Babylon the great is the city of the world;where all men dwelleth,by own choice.
In babylon is more pleasure,and fun,but also tribulation and sorrows,and death.
In Zion we have peace of mind and life.
wakeup.
wakeup.
T,
Kerwin and Gene
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.144,000 is a symbolic number as it is 12 multiplied by 12 multiplied by 1000. I am not sure about what the number 12 symbolizes but the number 1000 an its multiples is used all through Scripture as round numbers to indicate a very large amount. Many sources tell you that though I used the Jewish Virtual Library’s article on Numbers, Typical and Important.
You believe it is speaking of symbolic Jews so you can see the connection to symbolic numbers.
T,
The word symbolic is not mention in scriptures
That is a very poor argument as the question is not whether it is mentioned in Scripture but rather if symbolism is used and unless you believe the 144,000 are literally the sons of Judah and members of the twelve tribes mention then you clearly believe symbolism is used.
Another instance of symbolism being use is the woman who is chased by the dragon. I assume you do not believe she is a literal woman, even Mary. Instead of being Mary, who gave birth to the child, she is the church. The dragon is not literal either as it serves as a symbol of Satan and his agents.
Insisting that 144,000 is to be taken literal while at the same time taking other words as symbolic without a reason is inconsistent. The message of Revelations is not about details but about generalities. Sometimes numbers are literal in Revelations, for example the number of trumps, but then they may still serve a symbolic purpose.
K
{That is a very poor argument as the question is not whether it is mentioned in Scripture but rather if symbolism is used }
you changed the topic ;from 144k redeemed from the earth to symbolism ,and you establish thats the way to see it ,why you need me for ,
the fact that you take it in symbolism I do not, God is playing with your brain and wisdom , need more reading to perceive and distinct reality from symbolism ,so you may see the truth
T,
I did not change the argument from the 144,000 redeemed from the earth to symbolism as my point is the 144,000 is a symbolic number and so not to be taken no more literal than the names of the Jewish tribes, or the word woman in the prophecy of the woman and the dragon. 1000 is just a number that represents a multitude and is used that way in other places of Scripture.
The prophecy of Revelations is not meant to give you such and exact number just like it does not give the day and hour of Jesus second coming.
Wakeup…………A true Christian has passed from death to life, Jesus told us, so our issue of eternal death judgement has alredy been solved brother, now this type of judgment remains for christians.
let me explain, i might use a little parphasing here to drive the point home.
(Paul was takling about true christians) when he said this, every mans work shall be judged, by fire (intense judgement), if he has built with gold, silver, or jewels, he shal recieve a reward, if he has built with hay, wood, or stubble, he shall suffer a loss, but he hmself will be saved, yet as by fire (intense judgement). This is the way i see it brother.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene
Geneb.
Question.
What is built with gold silver or stubble?
Is it not our faith with works? What is faith without works?
If our works is of stubble it will be burned.
It is the works that go in the grave with the dead body.
The works are on record for judgement day.
wakeup.
Wakwup………..That sounds right to me except the saved who Paul was talking about are the Saints and they have a different judgement then the rest that die withiout Christ , they come up in the second resurection and will be Judged by ‘God Almighty by their works they have done in the flesh, but the saints come under the jufgement seat of Christ and are rewarded or suffer loss at Christs return and even if they suffer loss they themselves will be save yet as by fire (intense judgement) , that is the way i now see it brother. You have two resurections and two judgements. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………….gene
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