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- August 1, 2014 at 5:37 am#556213GeneBalthropParticipant
Wakeup………There is no spirit “OF” the flesh, there is spirit “IN” flesh. Jesus said when a unclean spirit leaves a man it goes into ARID places looking for REST, but finding none it goes back and find the house (FLESH) CLEAN, and goes back and takes other spirits worse then itself, and the LAST STATE OF THAT MAN IS WORSE THEN THE FIRST STATE WAS. think about it Wakeup .
peace and and love to you and yours…………………..gene
August 1, 2014 at 6:05 am#556262kerwinParticipantGene,
I believe spirit of and spirit in is two different ways of saying the same things. On the other hand wakeup may not agree with me.
August 2, 2014 at 3:43 am#565955GeneBalthropParticipantKerwin………If the spirit OF God is IN you it is not OF or FROM you, Do you see my point brother, Of denotes ORIGN, while IN denotes encasement as what’s inside and does not necessarily denote origin, OF more specifically means FROM It’s source. IMO
peace and and love to you and yours………………………..gene
August 2, 2014 at 5:29 am#568232kerwinParticipantGene,
The spirit of the flesh is not the spirit of God. It is a spirit of man. It is mentioned in the following passage.
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August 2, 2014 at 11:58 am#568679GeneBalthropParticipantKerwin………All spirit is “OF” or FROM God, and scripture says when a man dies the spirit goes back to God who gave it. The verse you quoted also say s that God is the source of all spirits of all flesh. While the spirit “IN” man can cause him to act a certain way, it still has it’s origin from God, no spirit comes from a man it is simply reflected through him, because no spirit is “OF”flesh it simply comes to dwell “IN” flesh. This is the way I understand it Kerwin.
peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
August 2, 2014 at 11:48 pm#569319SpockParticipantWhen a person is born of the spirit a new spirit is born. That spirit grows in the life of the individual until death of the material body wherein it becomes the possession of the indwelling spirit of God. Upon the resurrection on the mansion worlds we live in a new form and continue in growth of our spiritual nature.
August 3, 2014 at 3:13 am#569444GeneBalthropParticipantColter………I do not believe a new spirit is born, I believe a different kind or type of spirit is added to the person and changes a persons life to whatever that type or kind of spirit (intellect) is producing “IN” him. Rather a clean or unclean spirit it will be reflected in that person or LIVING SOULS life.
peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
August 3, 2014 at 10:52 am#579381kerwinParticipantGene,
Scripture uses the word spirit to mean many things and so it takes careful consideration though the teachings of the spirit to know which meaning is correct.
The bottom line is that there are spirits of the flesh and it is my understanding those spirits are in the flesh. I do not know if this is the same spirit that returns to God after death. It may well be.
I know the Spirit of God is also in him and is given to dwell in those that believe.
August 3, 2014 at 11:40 am#579382ProclaimerParticipantThe Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
This is how we are one with God. By our spirits being united with his Spirit.
It is this union that is eternal life. Rivers of life flowing from our inner most being.August 3, 2014 at 3:31 pm#579401terrariccaParticipantt8
yes ,but we also have to understand that we will never as a human be inlined with God’s spirit in it entirety for God ways will remain out of our reach ,as scriptures says ,
but as the part that he as made known in this way we can be one with him ,
August 3, 2014 at 3:33 pm#579402terrariccaParticipantcolter
what was the tittle of that Movie ?
August 4, 2014 at 6:18 am#582860kerwinParticipantT,
I know of Scripture that say that being righteous as God is righteous is not out of reach. Never the less that does not mean we will know why God does each and everything he does because we are limited in many ways he is not.
August 4, 2014 at 9:05 am#589075GeneBalthropParticipantKerwin……You are right, God the Father plainly told us Be you HOLY because I am HOLY, Be you PERFECT , because I am PERFECT. The LORD our GOD would not have told us that if it were not possible, just as it says WITH GOD, “All things” ARE POSSIBLE.
Just as it is written, UNTIL we “all” come unto the MEASURE and FULL STATURE of CHRIST. That is all our DESTINIES , and it was God the Father who Perfected Jesus Our BROTHER and it will be Him who Perfects US ALSO. IMO
peace and love to you and your Kerwin………………………….Gene
August 4, 2014 at 12:38 pm#589487SpockParticipantJesus told us about the mansion worlds in heaven where the souls of the salvaged sons of God are resurrected and continue on through many translations inward en route to paradise, the geographical location of the triune God.
August 4, 2014 at 12:46 pm#589489terrariccaParticipantgene
we are not the brothers of Christ ,unless we are to be with him in heaven otherwise he is our king , and high priest,
for all those that will live in his kingdom on earth
August 5, 2014 at 2:35 am#591109GeneBalthropParticipantTerricca……….if we are not his brothers and sisters, then why does it say, He is the firstborn of MANY brothers , and agin in this way we should pray, OUR FATHER, which is in HEAVEN, and again he says to us, I AM GOING TO MY FATHER “AND” YOUR FATHER, MY GOD and YOUR GOD.
God also said ALL SOULS ARE MINE, are you not a living Soul? Jesus said if you forgive not a person, neither will your Father in heaven forgive you YOUR SINS . , scripture also say “HAVE WE ALL,not ONE FATHER”.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene
August 5, 2014 at 2:59 am#591125terrariccaParticipantGene
Jn 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.
Jn 17:7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you.
Jn 17:8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.
Jn 17:9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.
Jn 17:10 All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them.only the 144k have become his brothers ,for they are living with him at his table ;
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message
we are those that have believed in their message but are not redeemed from the earth but will live under his rule on earth ,
August 5, 2014 at 5:31 am#591370kerwinParticipantGene,
Pierre is reasoning from his hypothesis of who the 144,000 are.
August 5, 2014 at 7:08 am#591492terrariccaParticipantKerwin and Gene
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.try to give me the true interpretation if this is not true
August 5, 2014 at 10:06 am#597004GeneBalthropParticipantTerricca…….. These hundred and forty four thousand are from the twelve tribes of Israel, they do not represent all the saved from the earth, only a fraction of them. There are twelve thousand from each tribe of Israel. As revelation plainly says, but in no way does it say they are the ONLY ONES saved FROM MANKIND.
You should be more worried about worshiping the Beast and receiving his IMAGE, which is the false IMAGE he created of Jesus being a preexistent GOD. That is his MARK many have already received into their foreheads or minds.
We have also other scriptures that say God has redeemed from all the nations of the world, the twenty four elders for example are the part of the 144000 , it doesn’t appear that way, and they are before the throng of God, and they say God redeemed them from the nations.
If there are going to be only 144000 redeemed then God would have failed, when you consider there are , I guess over 50 Billion human who were born on this earth sense the human race started.. You rendition limits God and his ability to save mankind.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
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