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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 05 2012,16:04) Hi T,
More spoonfeeding?
But you spit it all out.?
Nwere have you been the past two weeks
Hi GB,
If the body rots and the spirit returns to God what aspect of man goes to sheol?Does a man who dies simply no longer exist?
Is so there is no judgment either
Hi T,
Yes I have a life.The gospel always attracts a hostile reception.
The moderators here were getting hot under the collar and making threats so I gave them time to cool off.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2014,07:27) Hi GB,
If the body rots and the spirit returns to God what aspect of man goes to sheol?Does a man who dies simply no longer exist?
Is so there is no judgment either
Nick…….Sheol simply means GRAVE and, yes we no longer exist when we die , IMO the only part of us that remains is the spirit and that goes back to God who gave it in the first place. The Soul or complete Man is destroyed completely once we die, we simply no longer exist.That is why Jesus said “fear God who can destroy ( now notice what Jesus said and how he said it) BOTH that's two things BODY AND SOUL, (where) in the Grave or Hellos, notice he did not say spirit, why because spirit simply goes back to where it always was and always will be.
Remember Nick when Paul said May God preserve you Body, Spirit and Soul, you see you Soul is only a complete Soul if it is a BODY WITH SPIRIT. “in” it. So when Paul addressed it , he reference the two. Components (body and spirit) and therefore the complete soul.
Let see if I can give you an example brother, I want you to preserve the seat, engine, and CAR safe until I come and get it. Or take care of your eyes, skin, and Body, you see your eyes and skin are all inclusive in the term body, the same way it is if I say preserve the seat, engine, and CAR, the seat and engine are all inclusive in the term CAR. So it is with a “LIVING SOUL”. Just as Genesis says God made a body and breath the spirit into him and man “then” became a “LIVING SOUL” he was not a living soul of any kind until the spirit came into the body and a complete living being came into existence that is what I see a soul exists when a body has spirit in it, rather a animal or human being.
Separate the body from the spirit, the soul is gone for ever, that is why it is absolutely crucial, we attain unto the resurrection of our bodies and spirit added back into it, and we can once again become a “LIVING” Soul, without both we are just DEAD, Just as Jesus said he was for three days and three nights. God can easily .”destroy us” by leaving our Bodies in the GRAVE, and not creat another body and add spirit back into it.
I Know people want to believe they are still alive after they die , but that is all part of false religion , all pagan religions believe that life continues after death, but the truth is unless we are resurrected by God and given renewed bodies and our spirits added back again, we will never live again.
Then the judgement will take place , for it is appointed for man to “DIE” then after that the Judgement we are told.
Nick this is the way I see it brother, and it seem to fit all scripture that I know off brother.
Peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
Hi GB,
You say
“Separate the body from the spirit, the soul is gone for ever, that is why it is absolutely crucial, we attain unto the resurrection of our bodies and spirit added back into it, and we can once again become a “LIVING” Soul,with out both we are just DEAD,Just as Jesus said he was for three days and three nights. God can easily .”destroy us” by leaving our Bodies in the GRAVE. “The spirit left Jesus at calvary.
Without the Holy Spirit he would have been GONE??No judgement then?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2014,03:48) Hi T,
Yes I have a life.The gospel always attracts a hostile reception.
The moderators here were getting hot under the collar and making threats so I gave them time to cool off.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 30 2014,10:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2014,07:27) Hi GB,
If the body rots and the spirit returns to God what aspect of man goes to sheol?Does a man who dies simply no longer exist?
Is so there is no judgment either
Nick…….Sheol simply means GRAVE and, yes we no longer exist when we die , IMO the only part of us that remains is the spirit and that goes back to God who gave it in the first place. The Soul or complete Man is destroyed completely once we die, we simply no longer exist.That is why Jesus said “fear God who can destroy ( now notice what Jesus said and how he said it) BOTH that's two things BODY AND SOUL, (where) in the Grave or Hellos, notice he did not say spirit, why because spirit simply goes back to where it always was and always will be.
Remember Nick when Paul said May God preserve you Body, Spirit and Soul, you see you Soul is only a complete Soul if it is a BODY WITH SPIRIT. “in” it. So when Paul addressed it , he reference the two. Components (body and spirit) and therefore the complete soul.
Let see if I can give you an example brother, I want you to preserve the seat, engine, and CAR safe until I come and get it. Or take care of your eyes, skin, and Body, you see your eyes and skin are all inclusive in the term body, the same way it is if I say preserve the seat, engine, and CAR, the seat and engine are all inclusive in the term CAR. So it is with a “LIVING SOUL”. Just as Genesis says God made a body and breath the spirit into him and man “then” became a “LIVING SOUL” he was not a living soul of any kind until the spirit came into the body and a complete living being came into existence that is what I see a soul exists when a body has spirit in it, rather a animal or human being.
Separate the body from the spirit, the soul is gone for ever, that is why it is absolutely crucial, we attain unto the resurrection of our bodies and spirit added back into it, and we can once again become a “LIVING” Soul, without both we are just DEAD, Just as Jesus said he was for three days and three nights. God can easily .”destroy us” by leaving our Bodies in the GRAVE, and not creat another body and add spirit back into it.
I Know people want to believe they are still alive after they die , but that is all part of false religion , all pagan religions believe that life continues after death, but the truth is unless we are resurrected by God and given renewed bodies and our spirits added back again, we will never live again.
Then the judgement will take place , for it is appointed for man to “DIE” then after that the Judgement we are told.
Nick this is the way I see it brother, and it seem to fit all scripture that I know off brother.
Peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
Gene B.What about the parable of lazarus and the rich man?
wakeup
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2014,10:17) Hi GB,
You say
“Separate the body from the spirit, the soul is gone for ever, that is why it is absolutely crucial, we attain unto the resurrection of our bodies and spirit added back into it, and we can once again become a “LIVING” Soul,with out both we are just DEAD,Just as Jesus said he was for three days and three nights. God can easily .”destroy us” by leaving our Bodies in the GRAVE. “The spirit left Jesus at calvary.
Without the Holy Spirit he would have been GONE??No judgement then?
Nick…….Jesus never sinned so what could he be Judged for. But Jesus plainly said that he was dead in revelations and now alive. I am not really sure if I am following what you mean Nick.I believe there is only two things we can say about life and that is dead or alive, life or no life. I do not believe a soul keep on living after a person dies. Jesus certainly did not act or say he was still alive when he was dead.
There is another scripture that comes to mind Ecc3:20-21……. ALL go unto one place; all are of the dust, and ALL turn to dust again. (21) Who knows the spirit of man that goes upward, and the spirit of the beast goes downward to the earth?
Psa 6:5……..For in death there is no remembrance of the: in the grave who shall give you thanks.
Psa….49:14……Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them; and the upright shall have dominion over them (WHEN) in the “MORNING” (that is the resurrection) ; and their beauty shall consume in the grave from their dwellings.
Ecc 9:10……> Whatsoever thy hand finds to do, do it with thy might; for there is NO work, nor DEVICE, nor KNOWLEDGE , nor WISDOM. In the grave, where you go.
Nick… We are also to the dead know nothing , when they die their “THOUGHT” PARISH.
What happened to Jesus' body must also happen. To us , we must be resurrected from the grave exactly as he had to be. In order to become alive again after we die.
It is absolutely crucial we all attain to the Resurrection or we simply will not live again ever. That is the way I see it NICK at this time.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
Hi GB,
He visited the spirits in prison while in the land of the dead.Can you answer what is LEFT when a man dies and his spirit returns to God[ecc 12] and his body rots.
You ignore half the bible with these statements
How can souls under the altar cry out if they do not exist?
Fear Him who can destroy BOTH BODY AND SOUL in hell.
Mt 10.28Nick…….you must remember revelation has been “signified” (symbolized) you cannot take it literally as it is written unless you know what those symbols are in order to properly fit thing together.
The other point you mentioned may have value, but remember it says he visited the SPIRITS. In Prision that scripture does not say he visited the “Souls” but the Spirits , big difference .
Spirit are part of what makes up a LIVING SOUL, I know Jesus' spirit returned back to the father who gave it just as ours does when we die. But without a body no living soul exists. IMO
If you look up the word for soul you quoted in Mat 10:28. It can be rendered Spirit there also. So that is hardly a proof text that a soul is still “alive” after we die, because if we truly do not then why use the word die in the first place. I see no scripture that says a person is still living after he dies. If that were the case why even have a resurection at all if we just keep on living after death. No Nick it is absolutely crucial we attain unto the resurection from that state of being dead in order to continue to live and be a living soul again. This is what I get from scriptures brother.
Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Hi GB,
No spirit often is used as soul in scripture
But there is a difference
heb4spirit enlivens soul.
Those who are not clothed in Christ are said to be NAKED.
The spirit is not naked but the soul is.Souls exist as with those under the altar
Nick…..a spirit is a soul? ,NO! a spirit is what is “in” a living Soul and does enliven it on that I agree, but not one scripture that I know of shows a soul is a spirit or a spirit is itself a SOUL. If one is there please post it brother.
You haven't addressed my other point , why a resurrection to life from the dead if the soul is still living, the word Soul references a “complete “being” not just part of one.
Nick the whole concept of life after death has it's base in pagan religion, even the Egyptians and Greeks believed they were still alive after they died. It would be completely wrong to speak of a resurrection from the dead if indeed a person was not truly dead. In fact God himself says that after he brings them forth from the graves, and their state of dry bones and recreates them with bones and sinew and covers them with skin, and breath life back that into Them “THEN” they shall KNOW that He is GOD, not before. Why because they are dead and the dead know nothing, but they will know him when he resurrects them and they become living souls again.
There is a book of remembrance for every person that has ever been born, and I believe all our DNA is also preserved and even though a person can destroy the body, they can't destroy our Spirits, and God can easily make for us another body and add our spirits back into it, and once again we become a living Soul. Just as he said in Ezekiel at the valley of dry bones. That is the description of the resurrection and it is a physical resurrection. As scripture shows.
Jesus did not cry out “my God, my God , have you forsaken me, because he understood that he was going to still be alive after he died on that stake., no he know he would be totally gone dead forever, his only life was leaving him for ever unless God the Father would raise him back to life from the “dead” , he was not deceived in thinking he would be still alive, when he was DEAD. Even in Revelations he said he was DEAD and NOW, after he was Physically RESURRECTED Back to life , was he Now alive for evermore. He was not alive for evermore before he was resurrected from the grave , he was DEAD and that means NOT ALIVE.
Nick the simplest answer is explained in Genesis, God made man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of “LIFE” and “THEN” man became or came to be, a “LIVING SOUL”. Just that simple to me brother I don't try to add to it or subtract from It, it is clearly written we need to just believe it. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
Hi GB,
No the spirit is not the soul
There is a division between them you need the Spirit to discernHeb 4
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.Nick…….Yes the “spirit.” of God is, able to (divide) or separate, the Spirt from the Soul, and also able to separate the joints from the narrow, I agree with that, now if the word of God divided the Spiritl from the Soul (the complete man) which includes a body and spirit, then he is no longer a “LIVING SOUL”, he is not alive no longer, he's a dead SOUL, it also can divide or SEPARATE the joints from the marrow, and is a discerner of the heart. So Gods word can do all of that , but where does that say a person is still alive if God's word did that, you are assuming that it is saying also a person is still alive should that all occur , but it does not say that, you are assuming it is saying that brother. IMO
To prove your point you need to produce a specific scripture that say a person SOUL is still alive after death occurs! I have produced specific scripture the show differently. I don't want scriptures that can be interrupted different way , but a scripture that say a Soul is still alive after death. Nick remember many people here do that, make scriptures say what in fact they do not “SPECIFICALLY” say. Like Mike, Terricca, Carnal, Wakeup, and others, they add interpretation to them we can't afford to do that brother, if we can't come to some common ground on this point lets just agree to disagree for now, and pray about it, who knows if the LORD our GOD will not make it clear to both of us.
Peace and love to you and yours Nick……………………………..gene
Hi MB,
You cannot hold on to the perishable body
It is beginning to rot within 4 daysThe souls under the altar cry out.
Nick……Your taking a symbolic illustration as actually occurring. Here is another example of what I mean Nick, Rev 14:11….. And this smoke of their torment ascends up forever and ever now ask yourself what does this mean , does it mean “real smoke” which is the result of a “real fire”, or this is the result (smoke) of their fiery (judgement ) which produced the torment, this torment is not to ever be forgotten, will always produce a remembrance of them so it is depicted as ascending up and forever. Nick it is the same with the souls under the alter of God , God keep these complete Soul ( human being) in remembrance they are ever in his mind and held in reserve, but are the alive NO they are not. IMO
I want you to produce a clear scripture that says a human being consists of a spirit, soul, body, if you can. Then I will be convinced brother.
Peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
Hi GB,
1.Psalm 35:3
Draw out also the spear, and stop the way against them that persecute me: say unto my soul, I am thy salvation.
2.Psalm 35:9
And my soul shall be joyful in the Lord: it shall rejoice in his salvation.
3.Psalm 62:1
Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation.
4.Psalm 119:81
My soul fainteth for thy salvation: but I hope in thy word.
5.Isaiah 61:10
I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
6.1 Peter 1:9
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.Can your soul not be saved?
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