The soul

[Baker]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2011,13:13)

Quote (Baker @ Mar. 03 2011,14:52) Gene!  On the Blue letter Bible of KJ I found this about the Soul and the Spirit.   neh'·fesh Soul, life, person, mind, heart, creature, body, himself, yourselves, will, desire, man, themselves, any, appetite. The Greek. psü-khā' Soul, life, mind, heart, heartily, I will do some more research on it, since I know how to use translations in Hebrew and Greek. Hi Irene, YOU GO GIRL!    Good research.  That extra information will help you to make a more informed decision about any scripture. peace and love, mike

Mike! Thank you for the encouragement. Tomorrow is our Family day, and so I won't be on here at all. See you and have a nice Weekend.
Peace and love Irene

[GeneBalthrop]

Paladin……..Would like to here your commits on Soul . I contend that a Soul is the complete person and can not exist without a Body with Spirit (IN) it. I did an investigation on the different between the way the Hebrew language expresses it and the Greek and found that the Hebrew expresses it as the complete person while the Greek as Spirit alone in some cases. Being you seem to understand the Greek language and Hebrew i would like you thoughts on this brother.

peace and love………………………..gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 06 2011,06:14)

Paladin……..Would like to here your commits on Soul . I contend that a Soul is the complete person and can not exist without a Body with Spirit (IN) it.  I did an investigation on the different between the way the Hebrew language expresses it and the Greek and found that the Hebrew expresses it as the complete person while the Greek as Spirit alone in some cases. Being you seem to understand the Greek language and Hebrew i would like you thoughts on this brother. peace and love………………………..gene

Gene

you are looking for friendly territory??

Pierre

[david]

Gen. 2:7: “Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.”
This is NOT distinguishing Adam becoming a “living” soul as if he were a dead soul and then was given life becoming a living soul. I believe it is saying that when the spirit or breath of life was breathed into him, he BECAME a living person or soul.

Some Bible's translate “soul” here in this way: RS, JB, NAB read “being.” NE says “creature.” Kx reads “person.”

1 Pet. 3:20: “In Noah’s days . . . a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.”

When people say “Santa is a jolly old soul” they just mean he is a jolly person.

Gen. 9:5: “Besides that, your blood of your souls [or, “lives”; Hebrew, from néphesh] shall I ask back.”
(Here the soul is said to have blood.)

Josh. 11:11: “They went striking every soul [Hebrew, néphesh] that was in it with the edge of the sword.” (The soul is here shown to be something that can be touched by the sword, so these souls could not have been spirits.)

Both the Heb scriptures and the Greek also show animals to be souls.

Anyway, can't list all these scriptures. Here are some of them:

ANIMALS ARE SOULS
Ge 1:20,21,24; 2:19; 9:10,12,15; Le 11:10,46; 24:18; Nu 31:28; Job 41:21; Eze 47:9

A LIVING PERSON OR INDIVIDUAL IS A SOUL
Ge 2:7; 12:15; 14:21; 36:6; 46:15,18,22,25,26,27; Ex 1:5; 12:4,16; 16:16; Le 2:1; 4:2,27; 5:1,2,4,15,17; 6:2; 7:18,20,21,25,27; 17:10,12,1518:29; 20:6; 22:6,11; 23:29,30; 27:2; Nu 5:6; 15:27,28,30; 19:18,22; 31:35,40,46; 35:30; De10:22; 24:6,7; 1Sa 22:22; 2Sa 14:14; 2Ki 12:4; 1Ch 5:21; Ps 19:7; Pr 11:25,30; 16:24; 19:2,15; 25:25; 27:7,9; Jer 43:6; 52:29; La 3:25; Eze 27:13; Ac 2:41,43; 7:14; 27:37; Ro 13:1; 1Co 15:45; 1Pe 3:20; 2Pe 2:14

THE CREATURE SOUL IS MORTAL, DESTRUCTIBLE
Ge 12:13; 17:14; 19:19,20; 37:21; Ex 12:15,19; 31:14; Le 7:20,21,27; 19:8; 22:3; 23:30; 24:17; Nu 9:13; 15:30,31; 19:13,20; 23:10; 31:19; 35:11,15,30; De 19:6,11; 22:26; 27:25; Jos 2:13,14; 10:28,30,32,35,37,39; 11:11; 20:3,9; Jg 5:18; 16:16,30; 1Ki 19:4; 20:31; Job 7:15; 11:20; 18:4; 33:22; 36:14; Ps 7:2; 22:29; 66:9; 69:1; 78:50; 94:17; 106:15; 124:4; Pr 28:17; Isa 55:3; Jer 2:34; 4:10; 18:20; 38:17; 40:14; Eze 13:19; 17:17; 18:4; 22:25,27; 33:6; Mt 2:20; 10:28; 26:38; Mr 3:4; 14:34; Lu 6:9; 17:33; Joh 12:25; Ac 3:23: Ro 11:3; Heb 10:39; Jas 5:20; Re 8:9; 12:11; 16:3

LIFE AS AN INTELLIGENT PERSON
Ge 35:18; Ex 4:19; 21:23; 30:12; Jos 9:24; Jg 9:17; 12:3; 18:25; 2Ki 7:7; 2Ch 1:11; Job 2:4; 6:11; Pr 1:18; 7:23; 22:23; 25:13:Mt 6:25; 10:39; 16:25; Lu 12:20; Joh 10:15; 13:38; 15:13; Ac 20:10; Ro 16:4; Php 2:30; 1Th 2:8; Jas 1:21; 1Pe 1:22,25; 1Jo 3:16

SOUL DELIVERD FROM SHEOL OR HADES
Ps 16:10; 30:3; 49:15; 86:13; 89:48; Pr 23:14; Ac 2:27

DEAD SOUL, OR CORPSE
Le 19:28; 21:1,11; 22:4; Nu 5:2; 6:6,11; 9:6,7,10; 19:11,13; Hag 4:12

SOUL DISTINGUISHED FROM SPIRIT
Php 1:27; 1Th 5:23; Heb 4:12

GOD HAS SOUL
1Sa 2:35; Ps 11:5; 24:4; Pr 6:16; Isa 1:14; 42:1; Jer 5:9; 6:8; 12:7; 14:19; 15:1; 32:41; 51:14; La 3:20; Eze 23:18; Am 6:8; Mt 12:18; Heb 10:38

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 21 2011,03:56)

Hi All, IMO, the soul is like a computer hard drive. It is our intellect and our memories and completely who we are. Our spirit is like a USB/Power cable plugged into us. It not only give us the electricity needed to power our “hard drive”, but can also feed us information via “God's internet”. Our body is simply the outer case of the computer.

Great, because I need an upgrade in memory.
But yeah, I think this analogy is a good one.

[Proclaimer]

Jesus said in Matthew 26:38
“My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.””

[terraricca]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 06 2011,16:15)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 21 2011,03:56) Hi All, IMO, the soul is like a computer hard drive.  It is our intellect and our memories and completely who we are. Our spirit is like a USB/Power cable plugged into us.  It not only give us the electricity needed to power our “hard drive”, but can also feed us information via “God's internet”. Our body is simply the outer case of the computer. Great, because I need an upgrade in memory. But yeah, I think this analogy is a good one.

mike and T8

if you are right then we are not guilty of sin,

Pierre

[terraricca]

Quote (david @ Mar. 06 2011,15:32)

Gen. 2:7: “Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.” This is NOT distinguishing Adam becoming a “living” soul as if he were a dead soul and then was given life becoming a living soul.  I believe it is saying that when the spirit or breath of life was breathed into him, he BECAME a living person or soul. Some Bible's translate “soul” here in this way: RS, JB, NAB read “being.” NE says “creature.” Kx reads “person.” 1 Pet. 3:20: “In Noah’s days . . . a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.” When people say “Santa is a jolly old soul” they just mean he is a jolly person. Gen. 9:5: “Besides that, your blood of your souls [or, “lives”; Hebrew, from néphesh] shall I ask back.” (Here the soul is said to have blood.) Josh. 11:11: “They went striking every soul [Hebrew, néphesh] that was in it with the edge of the sword.” (The soul is here shown to be something that can be touched by the sword, so these souls could not have been spirits.) Both the Heb scriptures and the Greek also show animals to be souls.   Anyway, can't list all these scriptures.  Here are some of them: ANIMALS ARE SOULS Ge 1:20,21,24; 2:19; 9:10,12,15; Le 11:10,46; 24:18; Nu 31:28; Job 41:21; Eze 47:9 A LIVING PERSON OR INDIVIDUAL IS A SOUL Ge 2:7; 12:15; 14:21; 36:6; 46:15,18,22,25,26,27; Ex 1:5; 12:4,16; 16:16; Le 2:1; 4:2,27; 5:1,2,4,15,17; 6:2; 7:18,20,21,25,27; 17:10,12,1518:29; 20:6; 22:6,11; 23:29,30; 27:2; Nu 5:6; 15:27,28,30; 19:18,22; 31:35,40,46; 35:30; De10:22; 24:6,7; 1Sa 22:22; 2Sa 14:14; 2Ki 12:4; 1Ch 5:21; Ps 19:7; Pr 11:25,30; 16:24; 19:2,15; 25:25; 27:7,9; Jer 43:6; 52:29; La 3:25; Eze 27:13; Ac 2:41,43; 7:14; 27:37; Ro 13:1; 1Co 15:45; 1Pe 3:20; 2Pe 2:14 THE CREATURE SOUL IS MORTAL, DESTRUCTIBLE Ge 12:13; 17:14; 19:19,20; 37:21; Ex 12:15,19; 31:14; Le 7:20,21,27; 19:8; 22:3; 23:30; 24:17; Nu 9:13; 15:30,31; 19:13,20; 23:10; 31:19; 35:11,15,30; De 19:6,11; 22:26; 27:25; Jos 2:13,14; 10:28,30,32,35,37,39; 11:11; 20:3,9; Jg 5:18; 16:16,30; 1Ki 19:4; 20:31; Job 7:15; 11:20; 18:4; 33:22; 36:14; Ps 7:2; 22:29; 66:9; 69:1; 78:50; 94:17; 106:15; 124:4; Pr 28:17; Isa 55:3; Jer 2:34; 4:10; 18:20; 38:17; 40:14; Eze 13:19; 17:17; 18:4; 22:25,27; 33:6; Mt 2:20; 10:28; 26:38; Mr 3:4; 14:34; Lu 6:9; 17:33; Joh 12:25; Ac 3:23: Ro 11:3; Heb 10:39; Jas 5:20; Re 8:9; 12:11; 16:3 LIFE AS AN INTELLIGENT PERSON Ge 35:18; Ex 4:19; 21:23; 30:12; Jos 9:24; Jg 9:17; 12:3; 18:25; 2Ki 7:7; 2Ch 1:11; Job 2:4; 6:11; Pr 1:18; 7:23; 22:23; 25:13:Mt 6:25; 10:39; 16:25; Lu 12:20; Joh 10:15; 13:38; 15:13; Ac 20:10; Ro 16:4; Php 2:30; 1Th 2:8; Jas 1:21; 1Pe 1:22,25; 1Jo 3:16 SOUL DELIVERD FROM SHEOL OR HADES Ps 16:10; 30:3; 49:15; 86:13; 89:48; Pr 23:14; Ac 2:27 DEAD SOUL, OR CORPSE Le 19:28; 21:1,11; 22:4; Nu 5:2; 6:6,11; 9:6,7,10; 19:11,13; Hag 4:12 SOUL DISTINGUISHED FROM SPIRIT Php 1:27; 1Th 5:23; Heb 4:12 GOD HAS SOUL 1Sa 2:35; Ps 11:5; 24:4; Pr 6:16; Isa 1:14; 42:1; Jer 5:9; 6:8; 12:7; 14:19; 15:1; 32:41; 51:14; La 3:20; Eze 23:18; Am 6:8; Mt 12:18; Heb 10:38

David

if God has a soul ,then if we have a soul it would the same only in measure would it be different.

if the flesh and the breathing is a soul and dies then God could die as well

if the flesh is the soul, tell me how does he sins ?
a body even breathing ,is like someone in a comma,

it take the spirit or soul that God gives and so it become us to produce the fruits of the one that has given it to us ,

and by not doing just that we are now sinning.
because it is the will of the spirit that make the body moving and so do all the things the spirit or soul want him to do for him(soul)

in this way we all are guilty of sin,and need Christ for the reconciliation by changing our actions and produce the fruits of the spirit.

Pierre

[Paladin]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 05 2011,23:14)

Paladin……..Would like to here your commits on Soul . I contend that a Soul is the complete person and can not exist without a Body with Spirit (IN) it.  I did an investigation on the different between the way the Hebrew language expresses it and the Greek and found that the Hebrew expresses it as the complete person while the Greek as Spirit alone in some cases. Being you seem to understand the Greek language and Hebrew i would like you thoughts on this brother. peace and love………………………..gene

Besides the fact God breathed into Adam's nostrils, and Adam became a living soul, the problem eveyone has when trying to narrow the definition from scripture, is that we are all dealing either with a translation, which sometimes translates anoriginal lnaguage word into a popular use word in the vernacular of the host language, in this case english.

“Soul” happens to be one of the worst case examples. Baptism is another. Form is another. Made is another. In fact, I have predicted on at least three other boards, that it is just a matter of time till translators begin to translate ginomai to mean “created” instead of “became” in John 1:3.

I really do not think our soul's salvation depends upon our opinion about the meaning of “psuchee.” It seems to me it is far deeper than defining words, and goes at least into how we practice what we believe. “Love your neighbor as you love yourself” will be a much more defining moment at the judgment, than “what does the doctrine about love your neighbor mean?”

God said he will love with his whole heart and his whole soul; and we know God is not comprised of flesh and spirit. So flesh is not necessary for spirit to have soul. It is necessary though, for men of flesh to have flesh and spirit. So the defining issue for soul seems to me to reflect upon what it takes for any entity, whether flesh and spirit or simply spirit, to live. God, being spirit, loves with his whole soul. I think in this He is saying something akin to “with my whole being.”

And there are many instances in which I think this standard applies to other created beings in the same way it applies to the creator of beings.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 05 2011,16:15)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 21 2011,03:56) Hi All, IMO, the soul is like a computer hard drive.  It is our intellect and our memories and completely who we are. Our spirit is like a USB/Power cable plugged into us.  It not only give us the electricity needed to power our “hard drive”, but can also feed us information via “God's internet”. Our body is simply the outer case of the computer. Great, because I need an upgrade in memory. But yeah, I think this analogy is a good one.

Too bad God doesn't take credit cards!    We have to “buy” our upgrades through fervent and frequent prayer.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (david @ Mar. 05 2011,15:32)

Gen. 2:7: “Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.” This is NOT distinguishing Adam becoming a “living” soul as if he were a dead soul and then was given life becoming a living soul.  I believe it is saying that when the spirit or breath of life was breathed into him, he BECAME a living person or soul.

Hi David,

How do you answer Matthew 10:28?
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.

This seems to make it abundantly clear that there is a body AND a soul.  Add to that the fact we know we are powered by spirit on loan from God, and it is clear to me.

But 1 Thessalonians 5:23 leaves no doubt in my mind:
Now may the God of peace himself make you completely holy and may your spirit and soul and body be kept entirely blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Here they are CLEARLY mentioned as three different things.  We know from scripture the body decays.  We know from scripture the spirit goes back to Him who gave it.  So what exactly “sleeps” with the fathers in Sheol – awaiting the resurrection?

I think it is our “hard drive”, all our memories and emotions and intellect.  It remains there in shut down mode until the power of God's spirit is again supplied to it.  At that time, Jesus will decide if that particular “hard drive” will be forever destroyed, receive a body fit for living on earth, or a body fit for living in heaven.  

David, I understand Genesis 2:7 to be saying that Adam became a living soul………….WITHIN THE BODY GOD HAD JUST CREATED TO ENCASE THIS SOUL.  And when others use the word “soul” to refer to animals or men, it is an euphemism.  Like telling someone, “Get your BUTT over here”.  It is understood that the rest of their body is to come along with their “butt”.  

Anyway, that's my two cents.  

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 05 2011,16:22)

mike and T8 if you are right then we are not guilty of sin,

I don't follow you, Pierre. What do you mean?

[david]

Hi Pierre. I really have no idea what you are saying.

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2011,17:20)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 05 2011,16:22) mike and T8 if you are right then we are not guilty of sin, I don't follow you, Pierre.  What do you mean?

Mike

[terraricca]

Quote (david @ Mar. 06 2011,17:20)

Hi Pierre.  I really have no idea what you are saying.

David

[GeneBalthrop]

To all……….the Greek word for Spirit is (psuche) which Derive it meanining from Breathe, that is (by implication) Spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal setient principle only); thus distinguished on the one hand from pneuma, which is the rational soul; and on the other hand Zoe (life), which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus (EXACTLY) correspond respectively to Hebrew (nephesh) Soul, and (ruach) (breath or LIFE) and Khah'ee (alive); hence raw flesh life or a living thing .

It seems the Greek takes the word Nephesh or SOUL and adds to it other descriptors like (PUUCHE) and (PNEUMA) these tow Greek Word seem to brake apart the Word “NEPHESH” into different segments of descriptions but still it seem both word are inclusive in the One Soul or Being and therefor a Soul is a Body with SPIRIT or even simpler put (THE COMPLETE BEING) rather GOD or MAN, but of these two only GOD can exist without a BODY no one else cane. Now of in the future either IMO. And even GOD can live vicariously (IN) his Body HIS CREATION. IMO

peace and love…………………………….gene

[terraricca]

Mike

an Hard drive does not perform any work unless it as a operating system,if the hard drive is our soul (you are partially right ) but without a operating program nothing can be written on the hard drive, and so no action will be recorded on the drive.

this is why i say if this is true (only a hard drive) then we are not guilty of sin because we did not do anything ,

but the Spirit that God gives to all is part of the soul (i am not clear what big a part it is) but this spirit is what make us alive and allow us to perform our will in the direction we want to go,

so now we become guilty of sin,and need to repent and change to Gods will and fruits,

Pierre

[david]

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Hi David, How do you answer Matthew 10:28?

Hi Mike. The truthful answer is, not greatly. Matthew 10:28 is literally the one scripture that doesn't fit in with our definition of “soul.” And so, we stretch the meaning of soul from “life/person” to “life prospects of the person.” By referring to the “soul” separately, saying body and soul, we believe Jesus here emphasizes that God can destroy all of a person’s life prospects–thus there is no hope of resurrection for him. (the ‘fiery Gehenna’ have the same meaning as ‘the lake of fire’ of Revelation 21:8, destruction, “second death.”)

Since numerous times, the word “soul” is used to mean the life of a person (Some examples: Ge 35:18; Ex 4:19; 21:23; 30:12; Jos 9:24; Jg 9:17; 12:3; 18:25; 2Ki 7:7; 2Ch 1:11; Job 2:4; 6:11; Pr 1:18; 7:23; 22:23; 25:13:Mt 6:25; 10:39; 16:25; Lu 12:20; Joh 10:15; 13:38; 15:13; Ac 20:10; Ro 16:4; Php 2:30; 1Th 2:8; Jas 1:21; 1Pe 1:22,25; 1Jo 3:16), then is it such a leap for us to understand this verse to mean the future life of a person? It’s true, this is the only place in the Bible that it is used in exactly that way, but it is so frequently used to mean the life of a person that it should not be a hard thing to understand it to mean the life prospects of a person.

To me, this seems to be the only view that doesn't contradict many many other scriptures.

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This seems to make it abundantly clear that there is a body AND a soul.

Yes, there is a body and life. Often, in scripture, “soul” refers to the life of the person or animal. (With the exception of the verse in question, “soul” almost always means the “person” or “animal” or “life of the person” or “life of the animal.”)

I know you don't want to think of the word “soul” that way, but if went through every occurance of the word “soul” in the Bible, you would find that it fits rather nicely, with the exception of matthew 10:28, where we have to extend the definition so that it's not just the “life of the person” but the “life prospects of the person.”

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Add to that the fact we know we are powered by spirit on loan from God, and it is clear to me.

I agree, but spirit is of course different from soul. Different words with different meanings.

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But 1 Thessalonians 5:23 leaves no doubt in my mind: Now may the God of peace himself make you completely holy and may your spirit and soul and body be kept entirely blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Here they are CLEARLY mentioned as three different things.

I believe the spirit (what God breathed into Adam) is what activates the soul (person). When the spirit is taken away, the soul (person/life) dies. As you know, as a comparison, electricity activates a machine to work, and the spirit activates a person (soul) to work. As for it saying, 'spirit and soul AND BODY,' this seems to signify completeness, being made completely holy in every way…your body is holy or clean, and your soul (life) is also to be holy.

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I understand Genesis 2:7 to be saying that Adam became a living soul………….WITHIN THE BODY GOD HAD JUST CREATED TO ENCASE THIS SOUL.

Are you saying that Adam was a soul living inside his body? The Bible does not say that God created a body and then inserted a soul into it. It says that God breathed the breath of life (spirit) into it and the man “became” a living soul.
Again, the body didn't have soul injected into it. Adam WAS a soul, or BECAME a living soul (person).

david

[terraricca]

Mike

read this ,Mt 25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
Mt 25:15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
Mt 25:16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
Mt 25:17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
Mt 25:18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
Mt 25:19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
Mt 25:20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
Mt 25:21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Mt 25:22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
Mt 25:23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Mt 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
Mt 25:25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
Mt 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
Mt 25:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
Mt 25:28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
Mt 25:29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Mt 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mt 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mt 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mt 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mt 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

the talents ,to me means the spirit (soul ) God has given us all,in different measure ,and it is what we do with it that make all the difference,and that we will be judged .

the fruits of the spirit or the flesh are tools of our choice,remember that the flesh does not produce any works for God,only the spirit does.(the bad servant the one who hide his talent,could have participate in the works of a other ,but he did not)

Pierre

[GeneBalthrop]

David……….You have it right, Adam BECAME a “LIVING “SOUL” the word Became means CAME TO BE, which means he was not a “LIVING” SOUL Before he BECAME ONE. The word Soul in the Hebrew language represents the “COMPLETE” PERSON NOT JUST PART OF HIM. It is the COMPLETE BEING it includes a BODY with SPIRIT added into it From GOD> And when a man dies the spirit he recieved from God goes back to Him and the Body dies and is corrupted in the grave and the Soul is Gone for ever Unless God reconstructs a Body as in the valley of dead bones in Ezekiel, and adds spirit back into it. It is crucial we attain unto a resurrection of our Bodies and God add Spirit back into us. IMO

peace and love………………………………..gene

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