The Son of God

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Logical?

[Not3in1]

Yes, if it seems prophetic (in the future) then it seems logical that the Son did not exist physically before he was born. He was not begotten before he was begotten.

[Not3in1]

Goodnight, Nick. It's late here and I better get to bed. Good to chat with you.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 19 2007,18:38)

Yes, if it seems prophetic (in the future) then it seems logical that the Son did not exist physically before he was born.  He was not begotten before he was begotten.

Hi not3,
Physical?
Born?
We should not limit our thinking to the visible physical world as God and others preceded that development.
Begotten does not mean born necessarily.
And the begettal of Christ from God may have been then if he is the “firstborn”.

Hebrews 12:23
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Colossians 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2007,21:01)

We should not limit our thinking to the visible physical world as God and others preceded that development.

We should not go beyond what is written either.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2007,21:01)

Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect

Jesus was the firstborn from the dead.
We follow.
We are his church – the body of Christ.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2007,21:01)

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Jesus is the firstborn from the dead.
We will follow him (we are “every creature”)

This interpretation is consistent with scripture as far as I know. However, please show me where being “firstborn” means that “Jesus” was born before he was born?

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
I agree some may relate to being firstborn from the dead.
But begotten is not born.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2007,06:58)

Hi not3, I agree some may relate to being firstborn from the dead. But begotten is not born.

Beget = produce offspring as a father.

Offspring = one coming into being through reproduction.

?

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
As a woman you should know birth is not begettal.
Begettal is also not necessarily physical.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2007,17:14)

Begettal is also not necessarily physical.

Say what, bro?

To produce offspring – you have to get physical, I'm sorry!

[NickHassan]

Hi,
The monogenes Son owes his existence to God alone.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 22 2007,08:14)

Hi, The monogenes Son owes his existence to God alone.

You might want to review your theology regarding conception.

[kejonn]

Not3,
In one way, Nick is correct. God made Man, and thus Mary's life comes from God. Yeshua came from God. So in essence, God is solely responsible.

But I also see your viewpoint . Just saying both views are valid.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
How odd it is to be the only one who shows Christ to be just a man on earth
but a glorious being before he came.

Those who agree he is a man on earth cannot seem to stomach the life he had with God first.

Those who agree about his glorious origins want him to be God on earth and cannot accept him as a man.

ah well…

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 22 2007,20:41)

Hi, How odd it is to be the only one who shows Christ to be just a man on earth but a glorious being before he came. Those who agree he is a man on earth cannot seem to stomach the life he had with God first.   Those who agree about his glorious origins want him to be God on earth and cannot accept him as a man. ah well…

Nick, you believe that Jesus inherited “perfect” genes from God – mere men do not inherit such things, nor has any “man on earth” been born of a virgin!

I'm not really interested in debating this again with you (as we have already been through this many times), however I wanted to add this comment for others who are monitoring this thread. You say that Jesus is just a man on earth, but you also hold a few other ideas that seem to be in direct conflict.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
The same number.
But like Adam he was surely given a set of new ones to go with Mary's battered share.
A normal man, born of a virgin to disprove any other claims.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
One thing we know is that Jesus is the Son of God.
Some say God is a trinity which includes Jesus.
How can he be his own son?

[Proclaimer]

The answer is he isn't.
If God has a son, then Trinity theology is saying that the Trinity has a son. We now have 4.
No matter how you look at it, if God is a Trinity and the Trinity has a son, then you have 4 not 3.

But if the Father is God, then you have one God, which is the most important commandment according to Jesus himself.

Welcome back Nick.

[IM4Truth]

Hello Nick Welcomre back, good to hear from you. Hope things will get back to normal now, Yes how can He be His own Son. But I do belief that Jesus preexsisted. But of course that is another tread. Jesus is the Son of God that I agree 100% with.

Peace and Love Mrs.

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