The Son of God

[NickHassan]

Hi Oxy,
Is Jesus the only begotten Son of God who was sent into the world[1Jn 4.9] or did he only become the Son when he was conceived in Mary?

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,01:51)

Hi Oxy, Is Jesus the only begotten Son of God who was sent into the world[1Jn 4.9] or did he only become the Son when he was conceived in Mary?

How was Jesus begotten before the World or creation for that matter? Did the Father beget Jesus in Himself? Wasn't Jesus the first created spirit being?

Rev 3:14 And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God:

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
How is not exactly revealed but nowhere does it say Jesus was created.
All creation came through him,it does say, so that excludes him being created.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,03:47)

Hi kenrch, How is not exactly revealed but nowhere does it say Jesus was created. All creation came through him,it does say, so that excludes him being created.

Who is the beginning of creation (Rev. 3:14)?  Are you are saying that doesn't mean that Jesus wasn't created.  How so?

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
Because that is not what it says
and as every fact is confirmed in the mouth of two or three witnesses[2Cor 13]
and there are no other verses suggesting this
then it is unlikely to be true.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,04:09)

Hi kenrch, Because that is not what it says and as every fact is confirmed in the mouth of two or three witnesses[2Cor 13] and there are no other verses suggesting this then it is unlikely to be true.

Scripture is not true?  What scripture says that Jesus was “begotten” before creation?

Hey I'm opened! How about you seekingtruth got any ideas?

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch
“Scripture is not true?”

Scripture is always true
but you can read into it
more than it actually says.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,04:27)

Hi kenrch “Scripture is not true?” Scripture is always true but you can read into it more than it actually says.

Soooooooo how are you reading it? Do I have to pull teeth?

[kenrch]

Unless anyone has anything then I guess I'll stick with scripture.

Rev 3:14 And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the “beginning of the creation of God”:

[NickHassan]

Hi Kenrch,
He is the one through whom all God's creation was brought into being.
He was the starting point for creation.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,04:34)

Hi Kenrch, He is the one through whom all God's creation was brought into being. He was the starting point for creation.

Scripture says that He is the “beginning of creation”.

G746
ἀρχή
archē
ar-khay'
From G756; (properly abstract) a commencement, or (concrete) chief (in various applications of order, time, place or rank): – beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule.

Beginning means beginning. Beginning of what? Creation!

I need scripture Nick, please.

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
There are no scriptures that say Jesus was created.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,04:39)

Hi kenrch, There are no scriptures that say Jesus was created.

Are there any scriptures that say Jesus was begotten before creation? I don't guess there is I believe I asked this question before.

Again if there are none then I don't see your point.

Rev. 3:14 says The Beginning of Creation. Where does it say begotten before creation?

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
The only begotten Son was sent into the world[1jn 4.9].
Ps 2 seems to describe his begettal,
is quoted in Heb 1 and that is before
he was “brought into the world”

[NickHassan]

Hi,
One of the he most important truths found in the scriptures is that

JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD

Men find myriads of ways to deny the Master.

Do not join them.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,04:52)

Hi kenrch, The only begotten Son was sent into the world[1jn 4.9]. Ps 2 seems to describe his begettal, is quoted in Heb 1 and that is before he was “brought into the world”

Ah! now we are getting somewhere. Now I can see

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? and again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?

and again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?

Sure seems right to me! But what do we do with Rev. 3:14?

[kenrch]

Hey Nick,

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;

Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.
Rev 3:14 And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God:

Is this Jesus or His angel?

Rev 1:1 Jesus gives the Rev that God gave Him to His abgel to give to John.

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
Ponder awile on Rev 3 14.
Revelation contains quotes from the four contributors and you need to discern who is speaking when.

[NickHassan]

Hi typsrn,
You said
'So God who is a Spirit had a Son who is also a Spirit?”

Why do you find it difficult to accept God has begotten a son,
as in Ps 2, and shown in Prov 30,
and He sent this Son into the world[1Jn 4.9],
that God is spirit, so is a being without a visible body,
and the Son is His image so would be similar?

What is confusing you?

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,05:47)

Hi kenrch, Ponder awile on Rev 3 14. Revelation contains quotes from the four contributors and you need to discern who is speaking when.

Rev 3:14 And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God:

The Beginning of the New creation. The second Adam.

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